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Is winstrol overrated?
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pittsburgh*
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For building muscle its not worth the price:
An amp of quality human Testosterone is the same price as an amp of 50mg Winstrol. Stick with Test...even with Arimidex its still cheaper
An amp of quality human Testosterone is the same price as an amp of 50mg Winstrol. Stick with Test...even with Arimidex its still cheaper
CanadianBro
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IMHO, Yes!
Why?
1. Overpriced
2. Terrible Gains/Price Ratio
3. Terrible Side Effects/Gains Ratio
Stacked with Test or Deca, Winny can make for a very useful Anabolic however, on it's own, it is basically a useless compound.
Why?
1. Overpriced
2. Terrible Gains/Price Ratio
3. Terrible Side Effects/Gains Ratio
Stacked with Test or Deca, Winny can make for a very useful Anabolic however, on it's own, it is basically a useless compound.
Well I have been on 50mg of winstrol daily for 17 weeks. (along with 600mg EQ) and I have had NO side effects. I had complete bloodwork done and my liver and cholestrol are PERFECT. I have not had the sore joints that people claim, nor has it affected my hair in any way.
So I think it really is an individual thing.
So I think it really is an individual thing.
SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY
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Flash_75 said:
Word.
In my experience, NOTHING compares to Winstrol. I've used Test, EQ, Proviron, Deca, D-ball, and Anadrol... For me, Winstrol is the most potent substance out of all of those. I'm not saying it gave me the most mass, but like Flash_75 just stated, it made the biggest difference for my physique. Its a hardness drug, not a mass drug... using Winstrol turned me into a site injection FREAK.
However, when I said "potent"... the same is true for its sides. I got cocky with the results Winstrol gave me and proceeded to double the dosage to 100mg/ED. Its been well over two months since I binned the cycle... my body still hasn't recovered. Anyone using a drug as toxic as Winstrol should be monitored by a Doctor.
I think the critics of it dont like the sides they get and dont view them worth the price. Some people, Like Anal Assplorer, respond great to it with no sides, others, even at 25mg/ED can barly walk they get so stiff and achy. This is simply one of those questions no one can really get an answer to because of the wide range of responses we have. We have all pitched in and said our peice now he can decide which way he wants to go. Deca would be an obvious combo for those who suffered the stiffness but for the cost of winny I would be far more inclined to use var or dbol, once again simply a personal choice, there is no right or wrong here.Thaibox said:
Nutrient-Nut
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Just to get my 2 cents in, IMO, Winstrol is not overrated. You have to understand that it's a drug that should be stacked with something else. It's one of the best steroids for achieving hard muscles and you don't have to worry about gyno with Winstrol. It's almost a pure anabolic with very little androgenic activity. It won't make you hold water at all, which is a plus on a cutting cycle. It stacks well with almost any other steroid and particulary nice with Deca. As you can see, I'm a Winny fan, but that's because it works well for me with minimal sides - some headaches and cramps (that's about it). From what I've read, Winstrol is the hardest steroid to rate on effectiveness, because of the varying results that people report from it. It works wonders for some and it does nothing but negative things for others. Trial & Error is a must with Winstrol to see how your body reacts to the compound.
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I think winny is awesome. Ive used it a few times and had good gains with it every time. The first time i ever did it before I found these boards I did it alone,stupid mistake, and it still worked. ever since then I have stacked it and it always does the trick if your trying to lean down and keep strength
Nutrient-Nut
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manny78 said:
Take the Test out of your cycle and you wouldn't have the high BP issue most likely! Test increases blood pressure more than Winstrol.
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Nutrient-Nut
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manny78 said:
That's interesting! I've only had a problem with my BP being high from a Test/D-bol cycle, never from anything else. I think that Test is the culprit, but it could be the synergistic combo of Test & Winny like when I did Test & D-bol together.
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FreakMonster
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Winstrol is for PUSSIES!!!!!
marky
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man, ive been reading all these posts and....
How many of you out there making these comments about winny have 10+ years of experience using it in any number of combinations to be truly able to debate over its pros and coins. I said I loved the stuff, but Ive used for years and its definitely a very harsh oral. Lipid profiles all fked up, aches in the joints head spins maybe minor TIA's. Bros Winny is a powerful AAS. Beware
How many of you out there making these comments about winny have 10+ years of experience using it in any number of combinations to be truly able to debate over its pros and coins. I said I loved the stuff, but Ive used for years and its definitely a very harsh oral. Lipid profiles all fked up, aches in the joints head spins maybe minor TIA's. Bros Winny is a powerful AAS. Beware
FreakMonster
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Re: man, ive been reading all these posts and....
Winny is garbage. Your right it is a powerful AAS as far as sides go and that's it. The reason you people think it works great with other drugs is because it's the OTHER drug you are seeing the benefit from and not the Winny. Try Winny alone and you won't get much unless your a woman or a 140 pound newbie. Your better off using Fina and getting way better results for CHEAPER!!
I can't believe some fools on here are paying upwards of $180 for a 20ml bottle of Winny
Bottom line is Winny is a very weak anabolic that is expensive, overrated, and comes with harsh side effects.
marky said:
Winny is garbage. Your right it is a powerful AAS as far as sides go and that's it. The reason you people think it works great with other drugs is because it's the OTHER drug you are seeing the benefit from and not the Winny. Try Winny alone and you won't get much unless your a woman or a 140 pound newbie. Your better off using Fina and getting way better results for CHEAPER!!
I can't believe some fools on here are paying upwards of $180 for a 20ml bottle of Winny
Bottom line is Winny is a very weak anabolic that is expensive, overrated, and comes with harsh side effects.
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CharlesAtlast
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I love winny and anadrol! Good stuff, Zambons are cheap in Euro, 3 euro a pop!
Nutrient-Nut
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Re: Re: man, ive been reading all these posts and....
Come on boy, better off with Fina than Winny. What about in regard to side effects? Trenbolone Acetate is much more dangerous than Stanozolol when it comes to overall sides. If your bodybuilding girlfriend wanted to do Fina or Winny, I wonder, which one would you recommend to her if she was going to use one or the other? (I'd have to say low doses of Winny would be the safest way to go whether for a woman or man). Tren is much more potent and dangerous!
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FreakMonster said:
Winny is garbage. Your right it is a powerful AAS as far as sides go and that's it. The reason you people think it works great with other drugs is because it's the OTHER drug you are seeing the benefit from and not the Winny. Try Winny alone and you won't get much unless your a woman or a 140 pound newbie. Your better off using Fina and getting way better results for CHEAPER!!
I can't believe some fools on here are paying upwards of $180 for a 20ml bottle of Winny
Come on boy, better off with Fina than Winny. What about in regard to side effects? Trenbolone Acetate is much more dangerous than Stanozolol when it comes to overall sides. If your bodybuilding girlfriend wanted to do Fina or Winny, I wonder, which one would you recommend to her if she was going to use one or the other? (I'd have to say low doses of Winny would be the safest way to go whether for a woman or man). Tren is much more potent and dangerous!
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FreakMonster
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Re: Re: Re: man, ive been reading all these posts and....
Little man,
You are one misguided sole. What fool did you believe who told you that Fina was DANGEROUS!! Give me a fucking break!!! Please show me one study that shows Fina is Dangerous. I have 3 studies that I can post that show that Winstrol is toxic to the human body if you want me to. Not everyone can tolerate the side effects of Fina but there are many members on this board who report NO SIDEFFECTS of Fina and some of these members have run Fina for many weeks. They have gone to the doctor and checked out perfectly fine. Many of the side effects you talk about that happen while taking Fina occur while taking other steroids as well. I'm not trying to sit here and say that Fina has no side effects because ANY steroid you take can have side effects.
Of course if my GF wanted to juice I would give her the Winstrol instead of the Fina if I had to choose. What kind of stupid question is that? Fina is very potent, 3 times more anabolic than test. Why the fuck would I give it to a woman. If my woman wanted to juice I'd put her on Anavar.
For you to say that Fina is more dangerous than Winstrol is absolutely ludicrous. If you have the facts to back up your claim than post them up, if not than state that it is your OPINION that Fina is more dangerous. Bodybuilders have been using Trenbolone Acetate for years but all you hear is these damn myths. I still can't believe people like you are spewing out this garbage.
Nutrient-Nut said:
Little man,
You are one misguided sole. What fool did you believe who told you that Fina was DANGEROUS!! Give me a fucking break!!! Please show me one study that shows Fina is Dangerous. I have 3 studies that I can post that show that Winstrol is toxic to the human body if you want me to. Not everyone can tolerate the side effects of Fina but there are many members on this board who report NO SIDEFFECTS of Fina and some of these members have run Fina for many weeks. They have gone to the doctor and checked out perfectly fine. Many of the side effects you talk about that happen while taking Fina occur while taking other steroids as well. I'm not trying to sit here and say that Fina has no side effects because ANY steroid you take can have side effects.
Of course if my GF wanted to juice I would give her the Winstrol instead of the Fina if I had to choose. What kind of stupid question is that? Fina is very potent, 3 times more anabolic than test. Why the fuck would I give it to a woman. If my woman wanted to juice I'd put her on Anavar.
For you to say that Fina is more dangerous than Winstrol is absolutely ludicrous. If you have the facts to back up your claim than post them up, if not than state that it is your OPINION that Fina is more dangerous. Bodybuilders have been using Trenbolone Acetate for years but all you hear is these damn myths. I still can't believe people like you are spewing out this garbage.
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Nutrient-Nut
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FreakMonster man, it's just my opinion that Winstrol is a much safer drug than Fina. I just threw the example with the girlfriend thing in there, because Winny, Primo, and Var are weak steroids and are often used by women bodybuilders because of the minimal sides if taken in low doses. Tren is 3 times more androgenic than test (not 3 times more anabolic). This is why it ranks very high for side effects. High androgens in general have many more negative side effects associated with them than pure anabolics like Winstrol. I'm not saying that Winstrol is side effect free and safe, because one's lipid profiles can really get messed up with Winstrol if the drug is taken in too high of a dose for an extended period of time. But on the other hand, with Winstrol, one doesn't have to worry about gyno, acne is minimal, aggression is very little if at all, and the gains made are much more likely to be retained for a much longer time after the cycle ends. Winstrol is a very good drug and not that dangerous if used for short periods of time at sane doses. Just my opinion, but I'm sure that many would agree with my beliefs.
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FreakMonster
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Nutrient-Nut said:FreakMonster man, it's just my opinion that Winstrol is a much safer drug than Fina. I just threw the example with the girlfriend thing in there, because Winny, Primo, and Var are weak steroids and are often used by women bodybuilders because of the minimal sides if taken in low doses. Tren is 3 times more androgenic than test (not 3 times more anabolic). This is why it ranks very high for side effects. High androgens in general have many more negative side effects associated with them than pure anabolics like Winstrol. I'm not saying that Winstrol is side effect free and safe, because one's lipid profiles can really get messed up with Winstrol if the drug is taken in too high of a dose for an extended period of time. But on the other hand, with Winstrol, one doesn't have to worry about gyno, acne is minimal, aggression is very little if at all, and the gains made are much more likely to be retained for a much longer time after the cycle ends. Winstrol is a very good drug and not that dangerous if used for short periods of time at sane doses. Just my opinion, but I'm sure that many would agree with my beliefs.
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Exactly your opinion. NOT fact that Winny is a safer drug! Fact is Winny is VERY toxic to the kidneys.
Winny is still overrated in my book. Why take Winny when you have drugs like Test?
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and Fina is for fat cows with no brainsFreakMonster said:
Triple J, I'll be the first to say that winstrol can be a good AAS. But I must correct you: Ben Johnson did NOT like winstrol. In the book "Speed Trap" by Johnson's coach it is clearly stated that Ben did not like using winstrol as it made him too stiff. The fact that he tested positive for that drug means nothing. From what I've gathered, Ben thought that he was using an AAS called furazabol which was undetectable at the time, however it was a counterfeit which was really winstrol, which cause the positive test.
Ben only used winstrol intermitently and for very short time periods. He was mostly using low doses of dianabol, anavar and testosterone.
Ben only used winstrol intermitently and for very short time periods. He was mostly using low doses of dianabol, anavar and testosterone.
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IJ26 said:
Hey man, I'm thinking about taking winstrol also.
I am thinking of taking it by itself also, i'm really trying to lean down. I dont have much bodyfat on me, but my metabolism is reallyy fast, I can lose weight and gain it pretty quick, i wonder if that has anything to do with it. I can currently benchpress 2 45's on each side flat bench without ever taking a supplement. I run so much but I never get lean, I look really cut up with a beater on but my stomach and breasts never harden, theyre not extremely noticable but a guy that has a strong chest and is skinny everywhere else should be lean everywhere. Anyways, I was wondering what to stack it with, and maybe where to get it from, I'm looking for injectables, good stuff, I can pay good money. I can even pay you like 5 bucks or something for good sources if you'd want me to. Thanks a lot.
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Nutrient-Nut said:
Hey man, I'm thinking about taking winstrol also.
I am thinking of taking it by itself also, i'm really trying to lean down. I dont have much bodyfat on me, but my metabolism is reallyy fast, I can lose weight and gain it pretty quick, i wonder if that has anything to do with it. I can currently benchpress 2 45's on each side flat bench without ever taking a supplement. I run so much but I never get lean, I look really cut up with a beater on but my stomach and breasts never harden, theyre not extremely noticable but a guy that has a strong chest and is skinny everywhere else should be lean everywhere. Anyways, I was wondering what to stack it with, and maybe where to get it from, I'm looking for injectables, good stuff, I can pay good money. I can even pay you like 5 bucks or something for good sources if you'd want me to. Thanks a lot. I can see you're very knowledgeable and would really love any input you could give. Karma!!! Karmaa !!!
Thanks so much in advance man.
II_kHoSa_II
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Zyglamail said:
Hey man, I'm thinking about taking winstrol also. I see you're a moderator, and I thought.. who would know better than you.
I am thinking of taking it by itself also, i'm really trying to lean down. I dont have much bodyfat on me, but my metabolism is reallyy fast, I can lose weight and gain it pretty quick, i wonder if that has anything to do with it. I can currently benchpress 2 45's on each side flat bench without ever taking a supplement. I run so much but I never get lean, I look really cut up with a beater on but my stomach and breasts never harden, theyre not extremely noticable but a guy that has a strong chest and is skinny everywhere else should be lean everywhere. Anyways, I was wondering what to stack it with, and maybe where to get it from, I'm looking for injectables, good stuff, I can pay good money. I can even pay you like 5 bucks or something for good sources if you'd want me to. Thanks a lot. I can see you're very knowledgeable and would really love any input you could give. Karma!!! Karmaa !!!
Thanks so much in advance man.
II_kHoSa_II
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Just read the sticky, sorry for the PM.
Bruce
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winstrol is a great compound it works great and i dont find it to be that pricey. one problem it makes your joints feel someone hit them with a baseball bat especially when it is cold. i will never use it again. tbol or var for winstrol type results thats the only way i will fly now.
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im lovin the winny, absolutely stoked! it is my first cycle, winny only, started at 30mg ED, now at last week on 50ED. its realy kicked in now and people are telling me i look great. im only 136 (was 139 yesterday but probly took a 3lb shit) up from the mid-low 120's. strength way up, using the 60lb dumbell bench for reps, before i wouldnt have touched them... only side so far is a little joint stiffness/pain, but nothing to camplain about for the results im getting. blood pressure good. noot sure about cholestorol, but will look into it soon... done almost no cardio and gained no fat while eating around 5000 semi-clean calories. fat has never been much of a problem at decent intake 3500 or so, but at 5000 before i would notice a bit of need for cardio.
now, IMO i think winny made an excellent choice as a first cycle for me, and possibly others. IMO, steroids like any drug, your body gains a tolerence to. me or anyone who has never cycled has virgin receptor sites, so wouldnt starting with a low dose of any one drug be a good start, so that way my body wont need a lot more next time to get good gains.?.. if i gain 10lb now on such a low dose of only one drug, wont i see much better or at least similar results as i slightly progress each cycle? i mean, why start with a large dose of any one or even (worse?) multiple drugs, as im sure the human body can only grow so fast, and by your next cycle, you would already be used to that ammount of drug and therefore have to increase it to see similar gains. this is my opinion/logic, and i appreciate insight from those more experienced than me. by the advice of my stepmoms trainer (not sure if hes amateur bobybuilder or pro but he looks pro)- he told me to not even consider test until im in my 30's and the natural levels are realy dropping. he actualy told me to take only 10mg of oral winny EOD, but im happy with the route i went, still took a dose relatively lower than most and IMO had excellent results.
i have a digi cam and took before shots and will post up the after shots probably around tues or wednesday next week. this is speaking for its effects on my body, as all drugs have different effects on everyone. also im happy becausefrom what ive heard i should keep all my gains. for less than the price of a bottle of NO2 i did great!
now, IMO i think winny made an excellent choice as a first cycle for me, and possibly others. IMO, steroids like any drug, your body gains a tolerence to. me or anyone who has never cycled has virgin receptor sites, so wouldnt starting with a low dose of any one drug be a good start, so that way my body wont need a lot more next time to get good gains.?.. if i gain 10lb now on such a low dose of only one drug, wont i see much better or at least similar results as i slightly progress each cycle? i mean, why start with a large dose of any one or even (worse?) multiple drugs, as im sure the human body can only grow so fast, and by your next cycle, you would already be used to that ammount of drug and therefore have to increase it to see similar gains. this is my opinion/logic, and i appreciate insight from those more experienced than me. by the advice of my stepmoms trainer (not sure if hes amateur bobybuilder or pro but he looks pro)- he told me to not even consider test until im in my 30's and the natural levels are realy dropping. he actualy told me to take only 10mg of oral winny EOD, but im happy with the route i went, still took a dose relatively lower than most and IMO had excellent results.
i have a digi cam and took before shots and will post up the after shots probably around tues or wednesday next week. this is speaking for its effects on my body, as all drugs have different effects on everyone. also im happy becausefrom what ive heard i should keep all my gains. for less than the price of a bottle of NO2 i did great!
mhb3939
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As a Newbie I too was told by alot of bro's to go with Winny.... (an a few not to use it) But besides test-e I could really get a straight answer what to stack it with... I got a lot of diffrent answer when it came to that. So, I personally decided to go w/it and see where it takes me.... But, test-e seemed to be the biggest responce when it came to stacking winny...
So thats what I plan on doing..50mg ed 6wks PCT=3wks 100mg ed Clomid..
I'll see where it takes me and post it here w/some before and after pics....
So thats what I plan on doing..50mg ed 6wks PCT=3wks 100mg ed Clomid..
I'll see where it takes me and post it here w/some before and after pics....
theprofessor
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has anyone used winny by itself for their first cycle and not like the results, and werent extra fat to begin with???
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