is winny all we have to fight progesterone?

[Dieselgoku23]

winny worked very well for me when i ran tren, as i said in another thread i will never run tren (or any nandrolone) without it....

Damn but Winny kills my joints after 5 weeks and I'm still using Tren any other alternatives?

 

[zips92]

^^

 

[flyingjer]

bump for more info on this, i am about to start a cycle with tren in it, i have dostinex but want to know if there is anything else i need to get, i really don't want to add winny unless a small dose, i am already takinng 3 AAS at a time most of my cycle

 

[deltron2000]

dostinex,nolva,letrozole didnt do shit for my itching/burning nips....i beieve winny will wok as it worked for me int the past while runing cycles. so my concensous is that i need to run winny with everything....thats the way it is for me. i have about 10 guys from varuous boards who are in the same posistion as me, we are comparing notes and cycle hystory so ill have more info come a couple weeks


FYI- makavelli knows his shit, he should not be second guessed

 

[Themachine01]

If you are having issues with tren and gyno symptoms than you can run nolva to block the estrogen which will in turn keep the gyno symptoms from the progesterone from causing any issue, I use nolva all the time with tren and it works great. You need to start the nolva a few days before hand and continue to run it throughout the cycle for this to work. The cabaser is great for keeping your libido up but aint gonna do much for the gyno symptoms if that is what you are experiencing.

 

[holder]

If using Winstrol for this how many mg and how often? Also how about Nolvadex, is 20mg needed ed?

 

[holder]

bump

 

[deltron2000]

in my research its stated that 30mg winstrol ed along with 10mg of nolva is a good cocktail to fight it,,,,i will know for sure as soon as my damn fatass mailman brings my goodies

 

[zips92]

If you are having issues with tren and gyno symptoms than you can run nolva to block the estrogen which will in turn keep the gyno symptoms from the progesterone from causing any issue, I use nolva all the time with tren and it works great. You need to start the nolva a few days before hand and continue to run it throughout the cycle for this to work. The cabaser is great for keeping your libido up but aint gonna do much for the gyno symptoms if that is what you are experiencing.

Are you setting yourself up for massive estrogen rebound once you stop nolvadex, if you are just blocking throughout the entire tren cycle duration?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the issue with progesterone/prolactin/oestrogen interplay and interaction is far more complicated than just "fight progesterone" or "fight prolactin", etc...

these are elements that interact and modulate each other.

things to consider:
progestins are not progesterone, they have significantly different activity at the receptor(s)

Oestrogen- all oestrogens are not the same either estradiol, estrone and estriol are significantly different (and those are just the endogenous oestrogens). Not even accounting for the activity of the various SERMS and other synthetic and natural oestrogens (some of which are SERMS)

though what is clear is that all three of these type compounds are closely linked to the development and progression of gynecomastia or as the case may be regression and hinderance of gynecomastia.


basically it all depends on your system and whats currently active in it. those things can lead to a very wide variance in options for preventing "female type" side effects.... ie what works in one situation and individual may not work in another and in some cases may worsen the problem..

just some things to consider... when time allows a more full exposition of these issues...