Is this true about HGH?

[timber1976]

i was talking with my doctor other day about HGH and i pretty much asked him what he thought of it. one thing he said to me kind of alarmed me a little and it is something that i have never heard on the boards before. He said while you were on, if you ever developed any type of cancer of any sort, you could pretty much kiss your ass goodbye because it would develope and spread twice as fast as normal because HGH actually splits cells when used. the reason this concerns me so much is because i have had melanoma skin cancer in the past and i was thinking about trying a cycle of it sometime soon. Can the mods and experts comment on this? thank u.

 

[calveless wonder]

There is much discussion about this....

i can't give you a definitive answer, but there is truth to it. I believe the increase ion IGF is directly responsible for this though. would have to search for the studies

of course the variables are dose, how long you're running it, etc.

The other question is how likely is it to occur....and is it really as much of a threat as presumed.

 

[abolish the weak]

your fate is sealed bro, shoot up

 

[calveless wonder]

another thing

anecdotally speaking, i've never heard of an occurence of HGH and cancer that correlate. If it was common, you best believe it'd be all over the net and people would be much more cautious of HGH use.

 

[timber1976]

another thing

anecdotally speaking, i've never heard of an occurence of human growth hormone - somatropin - and cancer that correlate. If it was common, you best believe it'd be all over the net and people would be much more cautious of HGH use.

this was kind of my thought, but obviously who am i to argue with a doctor. looking for more comments.

 

[centy]

Sheeeet. Everyone knows that we are smarter than doctors around here.



(Actually, hmmm, probably not that far off. Most docs don't know half the shit we do about the endocrine system, AAS, etc.)

 

[V-Machine]

The question is whether HGH will increase tumour growth when they occur. Not if HGH causes cancer. As there are few people who develop cancer, and even fewer who develop cancer and use HGH, it is extremely unlikely that anecdotal evidence will be available.

If in doubt, steer clear. Simple as that.

 

[schutzhundk9]

During today's Senate hearings on HGH several of the Dr.'s on the panel made comments about this. They also opined that if natural HGH levels didn't dimish as we age we would be seeing drasticly higher rates of cancer and tumors because HGH directly contributes to cell division.

 

[ALIN]

i was talking with my doctor other day about human growth hormone - somatropin - and i pretty much asked him what he thought of it. one thing he said to me kind of alarmed me a little and it is something that i have never heard on the boards before. He said while you were on, if you ever developed any type of cancer of any sort, you could pretty much kiss your ass goodbye because it would develope and spread twice as fast as normal because HGH actually splits cells when used. the reason this concerns me so much is because i have had melanoma skin cancer in the past and i was thinking about trying a cycle of it sometime soon. Can the mods and experts comment on this? thank u.

i think your doctor is going to extremes. no one know this for certain.

 

[timber1976]

During today's Senate hearings on human growth hormone - somatropin - several of the Dr.'s on the panel made comments about this. They also opined that if natural HGH levels didn't dimish as we age we would be seeing drasticly higher rates of cancer and tumors because HGH directly contributes to cell division.

so there is truth to it? we just don't know the extent of it. i would have liked to seen that senate hearing.

 

[access]

The truth at the present time is that when you develop cancer your IGF levels increase. Injection of HGH leads to increased levels of IGF. BUT there is no evidence to date that links the injections of HGH to the cause or onset of cancer. Obviously if you have a cancerous tumor and you inject yourself with HGH or IGF then the tumor is going to likely grow as your body naturally produces more IGF when you have cancer as I noted before so your improving the environment for that tumor to grow upon commencement of injections.

Researchers have done trials with rats whereby they restrict the amount of growth hormone and IGF they can produce naturally and found that cancer rates with these mice is substantially down. This makes sense when we look at above.

Again though there is not any evidence that I am aware of that can link cancer onset to inejctions of either HGH or IGF.

The downside is that with low levels of growth hormone and IGF we suffer from cartilage degeneration, low muscle mass, poor immune system, poor protein synthesis and decreased cognitive function among other symptons.

So knowing all of the above I will continue to inject myself with HGH and IGF. Others may do as they wish but I certainly feel comforatble at this time with injections of both.

 

[schutzhundk9]

so there is truth to it? we just don't know the extent of it. i would have liked to seen that senate hearing.

You can go to www.cspan.com and watch it with realplayer on your computer.

 

[walliwalibus]

I am not saying by any means that I am as educated as most here on this site. But I would like to see the actual report your doctor would be refering (sp?) too. Funny, but if you ask a doctor about certain things they want you to steer clear of they give the mighty scare tactic. Just like Government (can I say that word) and Doctor's, hand in hand. I would seriously have to doubt what the doctor says because you flat out asked about it. Even with a good relationship, injecting is still illegal. Do you think he's gonna tell you to break the law? Especially since he had to shell out thousands just to learn to inject someone himself. Just random thoughts.

Walli

 

[hurricane]

yea they say it human growth hormone - somatropin - wont give u cancer but the arguement is human growth hormone - somatropin - makes cells in your body grow .. so they say it will make cancer cells grow also(IF ITS ALREADY IN YOUR BODY) .. this is debatable though .. different doctors have different opinions on this ! this by no means 100% accurate

 

[timber1976]

I am not saying by any means that I am as educated as most here on this site. But I would like to see the actual report your doctor would be refering (sp?) too. Funny, but if you ask a doctor about certain things they want you to steer clear of they give the mighty scare tactic. Just like Government (can I say that word) and Doctor's, hand in hand. I would seriously have to doubt what the doctor says because you flat out asked about it. Even with a good relationship, injecting is still illegal. Do you think he's gonna tell you to break the law? Especially since he had to shell out thousands just to learn to inject someone himself. Just random thoughts.

Walli

All he said was if you have a cancerous tumor or any cancerous cells, high amounts gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - will split the cells just as it would any other cell, thus making your cancer grow and spread faster.

 

[walliwalibus]

I won't reply to childish remarks. On the other comment, your doctor will not support any illegal thing you ask. Period. End of story. Why would a doctor even answer a question on something illegal. How did the growth hormone get there, well I guess he illegally injected it, come on with the childish stuff too... aren't you a big boy now?

 

[walliwalibus]

Obviously there is no definitive answer. Where would you even begin to look for studies on this? And really, who could you believe? Thats all I meant and well, I think the childish remark about molestation was cheap. Good Luck with it and if I run into some info I will post it......

 

[b_light]

mine saw no problem with it at age 18-19 when i talked to him. he didnt really comment on it.

 

[needtogetarmy]

There are a ton of items I would NEVER use or recommend to people that are not professional BBers and that is insulin and HGH. The risks are not worth the benefits.

I would throw T3 in there too.

 

[flex229]

people say that GH is exactly what exacerbated Lyle Alzado's brain cancer back in the 80s.

it is proven that GH causes cancer cells to grow faster than normal.

 

[centy]

However, gh does not cause cancer

 

[walliwalibus]

Lets look somewhere and find the answer. I have time, i shall do a extensive search. I will post links.


walli

 

[centy]

Lets look somewhere and find the answer. I have time, i shall do a extensive search. I will post links.


walli

Freakin sweet.

 

[flex229]

no, it does not cause cancer, most likely...

however, it does cause cancer cells that already exist in one's body to grow at a much faster rate.

However, gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - does not cause cancer

 

[walliwalibus]

http://www.webmd.com/colorectal-cancer/news/20020725/growth-hormone-linked-to-cancer

http://www.preventcancer.com/patients/med_avoid/hgh.htm

This one supports what someone said about it not causing cancer.
http://www.medaus.com/p/149,200.html

PDF file here but a good read....
http://www.renasci.net/PDF/vol1no3.pdf

and here..........
http://www.eternalhgh.com/hgh/hgh-side-effects.html

If that last post is a bad idea, please remove, i don't wanna cause trouble.

Walli

I will post more as I have someone on yahoo now. I thinkk there is some good info here though, most of which says the same thing over and over. No cancer causing but ..... enjoy the reading.

 

[walliwalibus]

After the last post I did I thought it would only be fair to post this about oral HGH vs. injectables.

http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/hghspray.htm

And everyone agree's on this, as almost every site i visited said the same.

 

[camco]

another thing

anecdotally speaking, i've never heard of an occurence of human growth hormone - somatropin - and cancer that correlate. If it was common, you best believe it'd be all over the net and people would be much more cautious of HGH use.

Ageed,they say the drinking water in my town can cause cancer too,next week it will be the cure to aids.

 

[walliwalibus]

Ageed,they say the drinking water in my town can cause cancer too,next week it will be the cure to aids.

Not trying to be a smarta$$, but they can control AIDS. One name Magic Johnson.
Though not cured, he is still going on, day by day. But I get what your saying.

Walli

 

[centy]

no, it does not cause cancer, most likely...

however, it does cause cancer cells that already exist in one's body to grow at a much faster rate.

Yeah.

It's funny. I was talking the other day with a friend of mine. He was chastising me about my 2iu / day gh regimen, telling me about cancer, etc. We were standing outside the gym and he was smoking a cigarette. And he just got done tanning. (And I'm the one getting the lecture on cancer.)

 

[walliwalibus]

Yeah.

It's funny. I was talking the other day with a friend of mine. He was chastising me about my 2iu / day gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - regimen, telling me about cancer, etc. We were standing outside the gym and he was smoking a cigarette. And he just got done tanning. (And I'm the one getting the lecture on cancer.)

That's pretty bad, LOL.........thats when it goes in one ear and out the other for me.

walli

 

[timber1976]

thanks guys for the info and research, especially u walli, sorry about smartass coment earlier. so it is proven that it will advance cancer at a faster rate, now my other question is, does it actually SPLIT cells or just produce more? maybe same thing, i dont know.

 

[access]

HGH doesn't split cells but it can create new ones or more correctly the IGF that is produced as a result of the injected HGH travelling to the liver can initiate hyperplasia which equates to new muscle cells.

 

[centy]

my other question is, does it actually SPLIT cells or just produce more? maybe same thing, i dont know.

Hmm. Aren't new cells created by splitting in half? Mitosis?