is this good? -HGH

[H-isBack]

Ive never used hgh before but have heard great things about it, i have a few ??s do you take this during or post cycle, how much do you take, can you use this more regular than roids and what about the feelings of wellbeing, thanks

peace

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[mrplunkey]

HGH goes great with AA's. They have a synergistic effect and you can take small doses of HGH (i.e. 2-4 IU's/day) and less gear and still see results.

2 IU's/day = fat loss and general well-being
4 IU's/day = anabolic effects kick-in

Generally if you are older (i.e. 35+) you'll really enjoy it. Many of the people who say "it didn't do shit for me" are 25 or less.

I take 4-5 IU's/day (5 days on, 2 days off per week) when I'm cycling (and I use embarassingly low doses, but I'm not going to threaten Ronnie Colman's physique either...). When not cycling, I drop-back to 2 IU's/day (5 on, 2 off).

Ramp-up slowly (i.e. 2 IU's/day) and ideally get 3-4 weeks of HGH under your belt before introducing AAS IMO. That way, if you get some edema and/or joint pain, it will be passing right as you start your cycle. If you go straight to 4 IU's / day, you may get numbness in your hands, shoulders and wrists. IMO, less is more with HGH anyway.

Thanks!

 

[Indy]

Ramp-up slowly (i.e. 2 IU's/day) and ideally get 3-4 weeks of HGH under your belt before introducing AAS IMO. That way, if you get some edema and/or joint pain, it will be passing right as you start your cycle. If you go straight to 4 IU's / day, you may get numbness in your hands, shoulders and wrists. IMO, less is more with HGH anyway.

Thanks!

I started right out at 4iu's a day, 2x2iu daily. In week 3 and I am getting the sides mentioned above. How long do they usually last before going away, or should I expect them all 6 months of the hgh cycle ??

 

[mrplunkey]

I started right out at 4iu's a day, 2x2iu daily. In week 3 and I am getting the sides mentioned above. How long do they usually last before going away, or should I expect them all 6 months of the hgh cycle ??

I started an AAS cycle (a very midle one) right as I started my HGH at 2 IU's per day. Right as my AAS kicked-in (about week 3), I had this great idea to up my HGH to 4 IU's. It made me sore as hell. Joints creaked, couldn't get up easily, etc. etc. I decided to "plow through" it, and sure enough, I stayed sore.

Finally, I decided to cut back a little, and I dropped my dose to 2.5-ish IU's per day. The soreness backed-off and now I plan to stick to 2-3 IU's/day temporarily until I start my next cycle and then go back to 4 IU's.

Bottom line: There seems to be some benefit to actually cutting back a little to rid yourself of sides, as opposed to plowing through it. I've read, but haven't personally confirmed, that once you cut-back, people can then re-up the doseage later.

 

[kbrkbr]

I have NEVER experienced any bad sides from gh because I ALWAYS RAMP IT UP SLOWLY.

 

[mrplunkey]

I have NEVER experienced any bad sides from gh because I ALWAYS RAMP IT UP SLOWLY.

I thought I was ramping up too... started at 2 IU's for 3-4 weeks, then tried 4 IU's and hit a wall.

 

[kbrkbr]

I had been warned to titrate gh, so my first experiement with it using ankebio I used only 1iu/ED for the first three weeks, then added an IU for the next month, and then up from there. No carpel tunnel, no edemia, no joint pain, nothing.

 

[mrplunkey]

I wish I had done that... I looooved 2 IU's/day and just refused to believe I couldn't adjust to 4. Don't get me wrong, the positive aspects of 4 IU's/day were wonderful, but my joints just ached. I lied to myself and said it was overtraining (and some of it was), because I wanted a full-on 4 IU's/day during those 10 weeks. I forgot one of my own lessons -- "the biggest lies you'll ever hear are the ones you tell yourself".

 

[wetback]

I was just at my docs today because of a different "issue" I am having. We had a whole discussion on different steriods and effects. (He's really laid back). Anyway he said the #1 waste and overrated product was HGH.....he said bar none it does NOTHING for body-building but f**k up your organs. And he use to use in the past.

Just my $.02 on the whole HGH thing.

 

[dacdac]

you should do a low carb diet on GH 2ius x2 a day. You have GH in you virtually all day long. Your insulin is antagonized. Your blood sugar should be taken into consideration. You need low carb high/protein diet. I keep telling people who are clueless about this, lots of GH and carbohydrates don't mix well. You can give yourself a diabetic blood sugar level. You can usually tell if it happens because your pulse gets very rapid and weak. Bump, bump, bump, bump! But very light. You feel a little sick too.

If you want to eat more carbs, swithc to nightly injections only. Sounds like you need to lower the dose. I would stop the GH until your symptoms go away, like 1 or 2 days and then resume nightly inections of 2IU. If you do low carbs, want to lose adipose, 2IU AM might be better.

 

[mrplunkey]

I was just at my docs today because of a different "issue" I am having. We had a whole discussion on different steriods and effects. (He's really laid back). Anyway he said the #1 waste and overrated product was HGH.....he said bar none it does NOTHING for body-building but f**k up your organs. And he use to use in the past.

Just my $.02 on the whole HGH thing.

Setting the anabolic debate aside, the fat-loss component of HGH is astounding. I'm 37, and I've had this layer of abdominal fat for as long as I can remember (even childhood). My wife of 15 years named it "the swamp" when we were dating. I can diet from 237 (current weight) to 208... and the swamp remains. I can get so lean that my arms and upper torso are just paper-thin... and the swamp remains. I even resorted to liposuction about 2 years ago and while it worked on my love handles, the swamp (albeit reduced) remained.

Then, I started shooting 2 IU's per day into the swamp and it completely and totally kicked its ass. After 10 weeks of injections there, I've moved to my love handles because geez, I really don't need any more reducion around my naval. Two big veins have popped-out to either side of my naval (just below my navel, actually). Now at the gym, when I pull my overshirt off, I actually like it when it makes my shirt underneight ride-up and show abs! It's sad, but in the past I'd always look ok in a tank-top or muscle shirt, but if it ever got flipped up or rode-up during a lift, people saw the swamp and thought "what the fuck is that???"... anyway... it is no more

Thanks,

 

[wetback]

Setting the anabolic debate aside, the fat-loss component of HGH is astounding. I'm 37, and I've had this layer of abdominal fat for as long as I can remember (even childhood). My wife of 15 years named it "the swamp" when we were dating. I can diet from 237 (current weight) to 208... and the swamp remains. I can get so lean that my arms and upper torso are just paper-thin... and the swamp remains. I even resorted to liposuction about 2 years ago and while it worked on my love handles, the swamp (albeit reduced) remained.

Then, I started shooting 2 IU's per day into the swamp and it completely and totally kicked its ass. After 10 weeks of injections there, I've moved to my love handles because geez, I really don't need any more reducion around my naval. Two big veins have popped-out to either side of my naval (just below my navel, actually). Now at the gym, when I pull my overshirt off, I actually like it when it makes my shirt underneight ride-up and show abs! It's sad, but in the past I'd always look ok in a tank-top or muscle shirt, but if it ever got flipped up or rode-up during a lift, people saw the swamp and thought "what the fuck is that???"... anyway... it is no more

Thanks,

The $1,000,000 question Mr Plunkey:

Is it PERMANENT ??????

 

[mrplunkey]

The $1,000,000 question Mr Plunkey:

Is it PERMANENT ??????

That I don't know... I've been doing research like crazy over just that -- even started to ask on this board. Thus far, here is all I know.

1) Fat cells can either get smaller or die, and the vast majority of fat loss comes from shrinking cells (those suckers are tough).
2) HGH does seem to cause some fat cell death. In the shrink versus kill equation, hgh does a favorable amount of killing.

What I don't know is... Do the cells just re-grow when you stop the HGH? I'd really love some input from people on this board actually.

 

[kbrkbr]

mrplunky what brand you using.

 

[Indy]

That I don't know... I've been doing research like crazy over just that -- even started to ask on this board. Thus far, here is all I know.

1) Fat cells can either get smaller or die, and the vast majority of fat loss comes from shrinking cells (those suckers are tough).
2) HGH does seem to cause some fat cell death. In the shrink versus kill equation, hgh does a favorable amount of killing.

What I don't know is... Do the cells just re-grow when you stop the HGH? I'd really love some input from people on this board actually.

Bump for a answer on this from someone who knows the answer.

 

[mrplunkey]

mrplunky what brand you using.

I started with Saizen (the 5 mg stuff you mix with 3 ml of BA water and shoot with a slin pin). Then, I transitioned over to the Genotropin Miniquicks (they come in a number of sizes, but I have 0.6 mg and 0.8's here at home -- you mix them inside the syringe).

I really prefer the Miniquicks (they are more expensive tho), but:

1) They are always fresh, you mix them in the syringe so there's never an issue with refigeration, storage, expiration dates, etc. etc.

2) The needles are razor sharp. It's funny, but as the collagin in your skin rebuilds, a slin pin gets harder and harder to push in. It used to go in easily, but now just the dulling associated with those Saizen vials made the needle laughably hard to stick with. Those Genotropins, because your skin is the first thing they pierce, are just razor sharp to me.

3) Because they don't need refigeration, you can tuck one away pretty much anywhere. On mornings when I wake up at 5 or 5:30 to piss, I keep a few tucked in the bathroom. So I just stick on my way back to bed.

For this upcoming cycle, I'll probably shoot at 0.8 mg in the AM and a 0.6 mg in the PM.

Thanks,

 

[dacdac]

you sure they don't need refrigeration?

That stomach thing is some crazy genetic thing probably. Kind of gross actually.

 

[Excidium28]

The $1,000,000 question Mr Plunkey:

Is it PERMANENT ??????

Bump