Is this considered "scamming" in your opinion?

[2BIG4URMOM]

What ever it was intentional or not, 60% under dosed is a scam! Hell, 10% is a scam in my book.

If I'm buying 250mg of Test I want everybit of it, why would I pay for 100mg at that price.

If all they are offering is 100mg than be upfront about it and say we will sell it for 80% cheaper than 250mg.

 

[ManOfArms]

I posted this over at Meso but I'd like to get some feedback here.

Let's take a recent example. For a while and to this day this UG lab - Estilink -offers (3) different price lists. Price list #1 is average. There are much better deals out there with more established labs and Mex gear suppliers. Price list #2 has much better prices BUT you have to buy 5 bottles of that particular brand and compound to get that price. Price list #3 has INSANELY low prices BUT you have to buy 10 vials of that particular compound to get that price. You get the picture. Producing 1 is as easy as 10 provided it's dosed the same and it's the same compound, kind of like a cookie cutter effect.

Here's where we need to evaluate whether or not actual "scamming" occurred. Business is good for a while. People were happy; the lab was still turning a nice profit then all of sudden, unbeknownst to the UG lab one of the products gets tested. Ok, now the rubber meets the road. The product tests very poorly and comes in at less than half of the label claim. Was this an oversight or was it deliberate?

My take: Since this particular lab had a cookie cutter approach to manufacturing his gear where the product consisted of the same compound at the same dosage he stood to make out rather nicely by diluting his products and I believe this was deliberate. If it was intentional, which I believe it was then that is stealing. Stealing and scamming are synonymous.

Furthermore, although a lab might not be "saving" that much on materials cost by diluting gear given the price of powders vs the price of a finished product BUT they stand to hugely profit from selling underdosed gear once it's a finished product.

Here's an example:

Let's say a lab is running short on powder for a particular compound and is behind on orders. They only have enough powder to make 100 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml but they have 250 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml on backorder. They are over their advertised TA time and their customers are starting to complain. The solution to that problem is quite simple. If they dilute the compound by 60% they now have enough product to fill the backlog albeit at less than half of the label claim. But then again, who's going to find out, right?

Pure and simple scamming.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

If it was intentional I say yes. Some UG labs have check points. Some offer if not close to label claim then you and everyone will get refunded. Stick with those you know and you can't go wrong.

 

[scriptfactory]

I don't know why this is even an issue. Everyone knows that if you sell a product for 250mg/ml then that is what it should be.

Check this out. What if someone was selling liquid clen at 200mcg/ml and it was really 100mcg/ml. So you got a guy taking 240mcg a day of the underdosed shit and then he switches to real shit at that level. It could be dangerous and if someone was caught doing that with the clen then everyone would be mad. Why should it be different with test or whatever... Whoever backs that dude is stupid.

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

I don't know why this is even an issue. Everyone knows that if you sell a product for 250mg/ml then that is what it should be.

Check this out. What if someone was selling liquid clen at 200mcg/ml and it was really 100mcg/ml. So you got a guy taking 240mcg a day of the underdosed shit and then he switches to real shit at that level. It could be dangerous and if someone was caught doing that with the clen then everyone would be mad. Why should it be different with test or whatever... Whoever backs that dude is stupid.

Good point about the safety issues involved!

 

[wellbilt]

scamming for sure dosagehould meet lableclaimsifnot your a scammer as foir that rediculous post tew made thats the stuoidist shit i have ever heard how do you take 500 mg of test e a week when you dont know the dosage just because of price what a jackass

 

[Dragon14]

It's a scam.

 

[boogersnax]

Just because it is an UG Lab does not make QUAILITY CONTROL any less an issue.

 

[Juice Authority]

This was posted by RSOC regarding Estilink. As usual, Phil hits the nail right on the head. Check it out.

With the prices he is offering and the T/A he is claiming, he's going to fail and become a PL for sure. Sorry, call me an asshole or whatever but those prices are too good and if they are too good then everyone is going to order pushing his infrastructure and T/A time to the limit. He'll run out of raw material just like J/A said very fast. His choices? Do the right thing and close down and stop taking new orders while he fills his backlog or...well you have seen the example J/A posted. Those are the only two options.

His prices are just too low!!! I know the customers will love this and the first 10% of his customers are gonna get a friggin deal of a lifetime because he'll have the gear, it will be dose right and all that. But after that, his service and prods will have to go down hill.

Sorry, you can not turn around that much product (based on the prices he is selling)...dude, you will be doing this 24/7, all you will do is make orders and ship prod. Look what happened to PL?

The cycle is inevitable.

The guys that last the longest, and I ain't even saying me, I am also talking about Mexi resellers are the guys less focused on T/A and bargain assed low as fvck possible prices and more concerned with safety, and getting the program running smoothly.

Esti your prices will create a demand you can't handle bro. No way, you will not have the powder, glassware or "people power" to do it. Your demand will outstrip your supply or ability to supply.

You'll either be open for a week and then closed for the next three while you fill all those orders from the lucky few who got in the week you were open or something has to give...you will either dilute or TA will go up a lot or you will end up being PL.

Been around long enough to see it coming.

Sorry if you think this makes me a dick...but I do speak my mind and I am just calling it as I see it.

Phil

 

[manny78]

Scamming. If the label claims 250mg/ml, then having just 125mg/ml is a total scam and bad business overall. How would you feel if you bought a car claiming 200HP to find out later that it only has 100HP ? Would suck right ? Well what did Mazda do when they realized the RX-8 only had 215HP (instead of 238HP) ? They gave the option of either a discount or getting their money back. If this UG doesn't do the same, then they're scammers...