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I posted this over at Meso but I'd like to get some feedback here.
Let's take a recent example. For a while and to this day this UG lab - Estilink -offers (3) different price lists. Price list #1 is average. There are much better deals out there with more established labs and Mex gear suppliers. Price list #2 has much better prices BUT you have to buy 5 bottles of that particular brand and compound to get that price. Price list #3 has INSANELY low prices BUT you have to buy 10 vials of that particular compound to get that price. You get the picture. Producing 1 is as easy as 10 provided it's dosed the same and it's the same compound, kind of like a cookie cutter effect.
Here's where we need to evaluate whether or not actual "scamming" occurred. Business is good for a while. People were happy; the lab was still turning a nice profit then all of sudden, unbeknownst to the UG lab one of the products gets tested. Ok, now the rubber meets the road. The product tests very poorly and comes in at less than half of the label claim. Was this an oversight or was it deliberate?
My take: Since this particular lab had a cookie cutter approach to manufacturing his gear where the product consisted of the same compound at the same dosage he stood to make out rather nicely by diluting his products and I believe this was deliberate. If it was intentional, which I believe it was then that is stealing. Stealing and scamming are synonymous.
Furthermore, although a lab might not be "saving" that much on materials cost by diluting gear given the price of powders vs the price of a finished product BUT they stand to hugely profit from selling underdosed gear once it's a finished product.
Here's an example:
Let's say a lab is running short on powder for a particular compound and is behind on orders. They only have enough powder to make 100 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml but they have 250 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml on backorder. They are over their advertised TA time and their customers are starting to complain. The solution to that problem is quite simple. If they dilute the compound by 60% they now have enough product to fill the backlog albeit at less than half of the label claim. But then again, who's going to find out, right?
Let's take a recent example. For a while and to this day this UG lab - Estilink -offers (3) different price lists. Price list #1 is average. There are much better deals out there with more established labs and Mex gear suppliers. Price list #2 has much better prices BUT you have to buy 5 bottles of that particular brand and compound to get that price. Price list #3 has INSANELY low prices BUT you have to buy 10 vials of that particular compound to get that price. You get the picture. Producing 1 is as easy as 10 provided it's dosed the same and it's the same compound, kind of like a cookie cutter effect.
Here's where we need to evaluate whether or not actual "scamming" occurred. Business is good for a while. People were happy; the lab was still turning a nice profit then all of sudden, unbeknownst to the UG lab one of the products gets tested. Ok, now the rubber meets the road. The product tests very poorly and comes in at less than half of the label claim. Was this an oversight or was it deliberate?
My take: Since this particular lab had a cookie cutter approach to manufacturing his gear where the product consisted of the same compound at the same dosage he stood to make out rather nicely by diluting his products and I believe this was deliberate. If it was intentional, which I believe it was then that is stealing. Stealing and scamming are synonymous.
Furthermore, although a lab might not be "saving" that much on materials cost by diluting gear given the price of powders vs the price of a finished product BUT they stand to hugely profit from selling underdosed gear once it's a finished product.
Here's an example:
Let's say a lab is running short on powder for a particular compound and is behind on orders. They only have enough powder to make 100 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml but they have 250 10ml vials of Test Enan 250mgs/ml on backorder. They are over their advertised TA time and their customers are starting to complain. The solution to that problem is quite simple. If they dilute the compound by 60% they now have enough product to fill the backlog albeit at less than half of the label claim. But then again, who's going to find out, right?
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