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DECA400MG/WEEK AND EQ 400MG/WEEK FOR 10 WEEKS
LEANS MASS AND KEEPABLE GAINS?
LEANS MASS AND KEEPABLE GAINS?
Is This A Good 1st Cycle?
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PimpnAintEasy
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Terrible from a standpoint of controlling sides. Your introducing the possibility of both progestin and estrogenic sides without anything to combat them. Also your gonna be shutting down your HPTA and not adding exogenous Test, which is a bad idea IMO. I would do some more research if I were you, particularly if you are prone to gyno (or even if you don't know whether you are or not).
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I wouldn't want to do that cycle. You ever hear of TEST?
Deca and Eq have similar effects, to maximize your gains I would not use them both. Substitute test for one of them. Sus, ethanate, or cypionate would all be good choices. 400mg deca or eq, 500mg test, and d-bol at 30mg for the first five weeks, along with Arimidex at 1/4mg ed. It is expensive stuff, but definitely worth it. Clomid post cycle, 300mg three weeks after your last shot, followed by 10 days at 100mg and 10 days at 50mg. Hope this helps, good luck!!
Hmm, well, I think it looks fine.
I don't know about running a cycle for longer than 8 weeks for your first one. I think by week 8, you are, or should be, mentally and physically fatigued trying to keep up with the training, diet, etc.
I don't understand how deca is sooooo bad. I think this looks like a mild cycle, one with minimal chance of sides. Sure, there is the chance that the deca will give him some progesterone related sides, but at 400mg/week, that should be very, very low chance.
And the eq won't aromatize at that low dose, either, so estrogen sides are out.
Could this cycle be 'better'? Sure, but then most can. Winny is expensive, and will he really need it for this cycle? I doubt it. Could he add test? Sure, but I sure as hell wouldn't put him on 500mg/week. Now that is asking for sides. Water, estrogen, etc. If he adds test, it should only be like 250mg/week. Other cycles he can up the test. On this one, it would only add expense, and little to no benefit to start it at 500mg.
Sure, if he starts to experience deca-dick, pop some test. But many people have done a deca/eq only stack and had excellent results.
I think he will keep most of what he gains as long as he does the clomid therapy correctly.
I don't know about running a cycle for longer than 8 weeks for your first one. I think by week 8, you are, or should be, mentally and physically fatigued trying to keep up with the training, diet, etc.
I don't understand how deca is sooooo bad. I think this looks like a mild cycle, one with minimal chance of sides. Sure, there is the chance that the deca will give him some progesterone related sides, but at 400mg/week, that should be very, very low chance.
And the eq won't aromatize at that low dose, either, so estrogen sides are out.
Could this cycle be 'better'? Sure, but then most can. Winny is expensive, and will he really need it for this cycle? I doubt it. Could he add test? Sure, but I sure as hell wouldn't put him on 500mg/week. Now that is asking for sides. Water, estrogen, etc. If he adds test, it should only be like 250mg/week. Other cycles he can up the test. On this one, it would only add expense, and little to no benefit to start it at 500mg.
Sure, if he starts to experience deca-dick, pop some test. But many people have done a deca/eq only stack and had excellent results.
I think he will keep most of what he gains as long as he does the clomid therapy correctly.
mike001
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some people just do not like deca, why? because its gains are not satisfying! i got NOTHING from it. the prog can be high at 400mgs, everyone is different. you say you wouldnt put him on 500mg test. that is wrong. 500mgs is excellent. put one on 200mgs, another on 500. you tell me who will have far better gains! i guarantee it will be the 500mgs. the sides off testosterone isnt SHIT untill you hit 1 GRAM. a first cycle ALWAYS should have some test in it. he is wanting to do steroids, in another words he wants to get his max potential, therefore, he NEEDS TEST. if he did a deca/eq stack, it just wouldnt be the same. they both go for the same receptors, i would not recommend those 2 together. to me, it is pointless "FROM EXPERIENCE"TxLonghorn said:
this is my .02
Lol, well, I look like the muffin man on 500mg/test without my liquidex. So it's ok for him to get estrogen sides, but not progesterone sides? I understand why some people don't like deca, that wasn't my question. I don't understand why some people vilify it like it actually breaks down muscle or something. If you don't like deca, fine, but to say it's worthless is silly and irresponsible.
And I think a first cycle should at least be cheap. When you start adding in winny, test, liquidex, etc., you are jacking the cost up sky-high.
As for his gains, I wouldn't recommend this cycle, but I also don't think it's as horrible as everyone has made it out to be.
As for your personal gains off of deca, that is a very valid point. However, many people get amazing results from deca on a daily basis. I think the better course of action would be to caution him, but not to tell him deca is shit. Deca is not shit. It may be for you, but what if to him, it's a wonder drug?
Anyways, I think it's difficult to not get great results for your first cycle. And I think his results off this cycle would be pretty damn good. Little water retention (some from the deca, sure), and very keepable gains.
And I think a first cycle should at least be cheap. When you start adding in winny, test, liquidex, etc., you are jacking the cost up sky-high.
As for his gains, I wouldn't recommend this cycle, but I also don't think it's as horrible as everyone has made it out to be.
As for your personal gains off of deca, that is a very valid point. However, many people get amazing results from deca on a daily basis. I think the better course of action would be to caution him, but not to tell him deca is shit. Deca is not shit. It may be for you, but what if to him, it's a wonder drug?
Anyways, I think it's difficult to not get great results for your first cycle. And I think his results off this cycle would be pretty damn good. Little water retention (some from the deca, sure), and very keepable gains.
I'll agree that deca is not shit but the sides it gives me are HELL. Personally I prefer EQ at 400mg per week. Yes you need some sort of test but I think that has been said often enough. Pesonally I would only advise 400mg a week for your first cycle and 300mq of EQ for 8 weeks and clomid at the end. Keep us posted on your results and good luck.
solidspine
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Drop the deca, add some test enanthate, and then you will have a good start.
