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I mean most of the people in jail are blacks and spanish. That's shocking consirdering that blacks only make up 12% of the US population. Can anybody comment on this?
Is The Criminal Justice System Picking On Blacks?
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The Dude
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Yes and no. More crime will be committed in poor neighborhoods. More police attention will center around the poor because of this. More minorities (by percentage of their race in this nation) are poor than white folks. So police will center more of their attention on areas that are predominantly occupied by minorities.
Now, in the courtroom you have the problem of public defenders. Typically, they are swamped and cannot invest much time or effort in defending their "clients" when compared to private attorneys. It doesn't matter what race the individual is. It only matters that he must rely on a public defender.
Now, in the courtroom you have the problem of public defenders. Typically, they are swamped and cannot invest much time or effort in defending their "clients" when compared to private attorneys. It doesn't matter what race the individual is. It only matters that he must rely on a public defender.
JUICESEEKER
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Darktooth said:
Good point bro.
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Warik
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JUICESEEKER said:
Two comments.
1) "Hate Crime Legislation" - and you think minorities are being picked on?
2) Perhaps most of the people in jail are of a particular ethnicity because a) they commit more crimes or b) they get caught more.
I do not think that the justice system favors one race over another. A criminal is a criminal. I don't want him on the street whether he's black, white, or spanish.
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CAGED whiteman
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Re: Re: Is The Criminal Justice System Picking On Blacks?
exactly, if certain blacks want to run around and behave like animals, then will we cage them like animals.
Warik said:
exactly, if certain blacks want to run around and behave like animals, then will we cage them like animals.
Hey Brothers, I know this post is going to turn into a racist post so before it does, I think Black white,latino,whatever you are if you you choose to be a criminal then thats where you will end up, I think there is NO favoring going on what so ever if your a criminal you belong in jail with the rest of the trash!
Darktooth said:
i dont agree with that, every nationality that has migrated to America has had some type of persecution, its just that whites for the most part have gotten the fuck outta the ghetto's and have tried to make something for themselves and not held onto the fact that they were persecuted at some point in time like the blacks have, complaining about slavery and wanting some type of restitution for it as if i had anything to do with it
if those fuckers would get up off their asses instead of whining they might leave the ghettos also...........I know alot of blacks and mexicans who try to better themselves because they are tired of the poverty,.............oh, and dont forget what they are called by their own people when they do this, "sellouts"
Natymike
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My view has been expressed already. Bad environment = more crime no matter what race you are.
Ryan will get on here and claim that the entire system is prejudice and discriminatory, ect. blah, blah, blah.
Also, as big pimp stated, black youths are taught at a young age that the "tight" way to live, is to live like a thug. Just listen to any rap song. If you go to college, and are from the ghetto, you are a sellout to your peers.
Ryan will get on here and claim that the entire system is prejudice and discriminatory, ect. blah, blah, blah.
Also, as big pimp stated, black youths are taught at a young age that the "tight" way to live, is to live like a thug. Just listen to any rap song. If you go to college, and are from the ghetto, you are a sellout to your peers.
cure
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Comparing 1960 to 1996
The United States Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants went from 1,887.2 in 1960 to 5,897.8 in 1996. By 1996 the crime rate was 313% the 1960 crime rate. In 1996 your risk of being a victim of a crime in the United States was 5.079%, and of a violent crime 0.634%.
In 1960 these rates were 1.89% of being a victim of a crime and 0.161% of becoming victim of a violent crime.
Now did poverty exist in the 1960's? Did poor, rundown neighborhoods exist? Were african-americans, latinos, italians, irish, jews not living in the US back then? The answer is YES to all the above.
People now a days are just lazy and don't want to get a normal job to pay the bills. Work at McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts..etc etc and make an honest living like hard working americans did in the past.
Your surroundings do not influence the way you grow up. If oyu live in the ghetto yet your parents are respectful hard working people who try really hard to keep you out of trouble, they do tend to rub off on you a little. I know people who live in suburbia and are filthy rich yet the kids still go out and commit crimes daily even though they were brought up in a good neighborhood and had hard working parents who gave their kids the time they needed.
IT'S ALL ABOUT LAZINESS FOLKS. TODAY'S WORLD IS IN SHAMBLES BECAUSE PUNK ASSES ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT.
The United States Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants went from 1,887.2 in 1960 to 5,897.8 in 1996. By 1996 the crime rate was 313% the 1960 crime rate. In 1996 your risk of being a victim of a crime in the United States was 5.079%, and of a violent crime 0.634%.
In 1960 these rates were 1.89% of being a victim of a crime and 0.161% of becoming victim of a violent crime.
Now did poverty exist in the 1960's? Did poor, rundown neighborhoods exist? Were african-americans, latinos, italians, irish, jews not living in the US back then? The answer is YES to all the above.
People now a days are just lazy and don't want to get a normal job to pay the bills. Work at McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts..etc etc and make an honest living like hard working americans did in the past.
Your surroundings do not influence the way you grow up. If oyu live in the ghetto yet your parents are respectful hard working people who try really hard to keep you out of trouble, they do tend to rub off on you a little. I know people who live in suburbia and are filthy rich yet the kids still go out and commit crimes daily even though they were brought up in a good neighborhood and had hard working parents who gave their kids the time they needed.
IT'S ALL ABOUT LAZINESS FOLKS. TODAY'S WORLD IS IN SHAMBLES BECAUSE PUNK ASSES ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT.
Lao Tzu
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yes. I suggest you read
No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System
David Cole
There was also some book, i can't remember the name i think it was called 'race' or something that said that blacks got stiffer sentences for the same crime, and they were like 3x more likely to get the death sentence for killing a white man than a white man gets for killing a black person.
The UN has called our judicial system racist
http://www.amnestyusa.org/rightsforall/dp/race/race-5.html
I admit blacks commit more crimes than whites, but you also have to take into account the amount of surveillance & sentencing are harsher for blacks.
No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System
David Cole
There was also some book, i can't remember the name i think it was called 'race' or something that said that blacks got stiffer sentences for the same crime, and they were like 3x more likely to get the death sentence for killing a white man than a white man gets for killing a black person.
The UN has called our judicial system racist
http://www.amnestyusa.org/rightsforall/dp/race/race-5.html
I admit blacks commit more crimes than whites, but you also have to take into account the amount of surveillance & sentencing are harsher for blacks.
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Warik
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Cure said:
My friend says that: "the reason there was less crime is the cops beat the living shit out of people likely to become criminals."
I must say that I agree with my friend. Although I have a great disrespect for what the law enforcement profession has become, and for those who make a living through it (i.e. cops), I feel that they really have their hands tied in situations where it's important that they don't.
Police brutality? Rights of the accused? Guilty until proven innocent?
Call me crazy, but if an innocent man is lying on the floor in a pool of his own blood with a knife sticking out of his chest and a cop is out of breath and dripping with sweat after chasing an individual for almost a mile who originated from the location of said innocent man, THEN I'M SORRY, BUT THE MOTHERFUCKER IS ALREADY GUILTY AND DESERVES NOTHING LESS THAN A LITTLE BIT OF POLICE BRUTALITY.
That is all.
-Warik
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the nature boy
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the justice system picks on people of a lower socio-economic level, which encompases blacks, latinos and whites.
More people are in jail and prison that come from lower socio-economic backgrounds than people that are well to do.
More people are in jail and prison that come from lower socio-economic backgrounds than people that are well to do.
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2 ton hoss
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JUICESEEKER said:
DUDE, BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT MORE CRIMES. FAR MORE CRIMES. THEREFORE YOU SHOULD BE SHOCKED THAT THEY COMMIT SO MANY DAMN CRIMES, NOT THAT THEY ARE INCARCERATED AT A HIGHER RATE.
BoneCruncher
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Warik said:
So you suggest that police act as both prosecuter and judge and revenge unit? In this case the police should arrest the individual and give his evidence in court. Surely you are not this slow? do you not see the problems in allowing police brutality in 'special occasions' determined by the police themselves?
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Warik
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BoneCruncher said:
You're misinterpretting my point.
My point is that you cannot expect criminals to fear and respect the police if the police have their hands tied to the point of uselessness. If a guy kills someone, flees from police, and is then finally caught, he would probably win a lawsuit after he gets his ass beat down because he is resisting arrest. How can you expect justice when the criminals have more rights than innocent citizens and the police?
The United States justice system is a joke, which is why I'm not surprised to see that our prisons are filled to the brim with scum.
-Warik
BoneCruncher
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No you are missing my point.
Your solution is
My point was
So you suggest that police act as both prosecuter, judge and revenge unit?'
Police are allowed to use necessary force, its all very well to complain about the system but what is it that you propose we do. Allow police to beat people before they have even been charged?
Your solution is
My point was
So you suggest that police act as both prosecuter, judge and revenge unit?'
Police are allowed to use necessary force, its all very well to complain about the system but what is it that you propose we do. Allow police to beat people before they have even been charged?
BoneCruncher
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Also.
'How can you expect justice when the criminals have more rights than innocent citizens and the police?'
Can you please inform me of the rights criminals have that innocent citizens and the police dont have.
'How can you expect justice when the criminals have more rights than innocent citizens and the police?'
Can you please inform me of the rights criminals have that innocent citizens and the police dont have.
the nature boy
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Re: Re: Is The Criminal Justice System Picking On Blacks?
no you dope. they just get caught more. typical example, lower income poople (blacks, hispanics and whites) use and sell drugs in the open. Therefore it's easier to go after these people. Middle to upperclass whites consume at least 3 times more extacy and cocaine than lower income people, yet it's harder to prosecute because the transactions are done anywhere but out in the open.
2 ton hoss said:
no you dope. they just get caught more. typical example, lower income poople (blacks, hispanics and whites) use and sell drugs in the open. Therefore it's easier to go after these people. Middle to upperclass whites consume at least 3 times more extacy and cocaine than lower income people, yet it's harder to prosecute because the transactions are done anywhere but out in the open.
Prometheus
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there is no way to discuss this issue without saying something "racist," and therefore taboo. PC wins again.
Do you ever see the "Hood's" filled with white people? NO. They're all filled with mostly black and latino's. And most of the crimes come from people that live in the hood or govenment houseing. And no the criminal system is not picking on blacks. And anyone who says they are black themself.
the nature boy
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BigRed54 said:
where do you get this information? so more crimes occur in poor areas? Total bullshit. More drug abuse (including steriods) occurs in the more well to do areas. The only difference is that people that are well off don't get caught.
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JavaGuru said:
of course the wealthy have more advantages - how could it be otherwise? would you prefer the advantages to be based on family or political connections instead?
one of the primary reasons for the success of the US is exactly that class CAN be overcome if one is willing to work, and those advantages can be attained by anyone. a dollar is green no matter who holds it, who their parents were, or where they were born. of course it's not perfect, but its the best available - just try to do it in India, China, or the arab dictatorships.
Re: Re: Re: Is The Criminal Justice System Picking On Blacks?
NATURE, how do you statistically enumerate crimes that have never occured in the eyes of the law? If I do drugs in my house and am never caught, then no crime has been commited that the system can "see", so therefore no statistic can be made. I think your above assertion is either your opinion or someone else's that you may have read. I seriously doubt that upper income people would be stupid enough to offer this information to a Gallup or Zogby poll.
The Nature Boy said:
NATURE, how do you statistically enumerate crimes that have never occured in the eyes of the law? If I do drugs in my house and am never caught, then no crime has been commited that the system can "see", so therefore no statistic can be made. I think your above assertion is either your opinion or someone else's that you may have read. I seriously doubt that upper income people would be stupid enough to offer this information to a Gallup or Zogby poll.
nordstrom said:
The statistics on race and sentencing flip back and forth depending on what the person, who is making a statement, wishes to portray.
Who cares what the UN says, they are so anti-American it is not funny. They wish to become a world government, which will remove all sovereignty from the US and its citizens.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18787
the nature boy
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Is The Criminal Justice System Picking On Blacks?
ah but this is the information age, statistics can be found anywhere.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/druguse.htm
enjoy.
cockdezl said:
ah but this is the information age, statistics can be found anywhere.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/druguse.htm
enjoy.
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