...Need some opionions here. I have seen 15-25 lb gains with 8-12 weeks of Test (sust, Enanthate, etc..) but I have also seen 15-20 lb gains with decent strength on Primo, Deca, Anavar. So why hassle with all the Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG..when you could get the same..or nearly the same gains as more moderate cycles..of course i 'm speaking about someone new to the juice game, but still..why start of with Test? Isnt a new juicer better off with the lighter stuff as to not go balls out to start? I see alot of suggestions in here for 1st timers to go with Test (Sust most of the time)...I cant agree...Test is great..no doubt..but best???

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