Tony, thanks again for the info....i think i am going to order some from anabolical.com and see what happens...the most i have ever taken was 1000mg a day and that was the NOW brand...i really didn't see or feel any different on or off....5'8 210...that is good....i am 6'1 205, 9% bf...i hope to get to 210 or 215 by next summer