Is Proviron needed for this Cycle listed? please help out, thanks

[Shoot Me Up]

Hay guys, I wanted to ask you if proviron is necessary for this cycle? Will I retain water from any of these drugs? and if i do need an anti-arimotiser I do prefer proviron over arimidex as it is more affordable to me and allready have like 80 pills on hand in which i only need a little more. If proviron is needed, will 50mgs starting from week 3 to week 14 be efficient? thanks






Weeks******EQ******Propianate******Winny*****HCG
1-------------600mgs---------------------------------------------------
2-------------600mgs---------------------------------------------------
3-------------500mgs---------------------------------------------------
4-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------------------------------
5-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
6-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
7-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
8-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
9-------------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
10-----------500mgs-------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
11----------------------------100mgsED-------50mgsED------------
12-------------------------------------------------50mgsED------------
13-1000IU HCG EOD-clomids-300mgs--1day/6 days 100mgs
14-1000IU HCG EOD-clomids-100mgs--3-days/4 days 50mgs
15------------------------clomids--50mgs--7 days------------------

 

[Golfer18--old]

I dont think you need you will only be running the test for one week without winny which help with water.

 

[Triple J]

I think I would start the HCG a week or 4-5 days sooner and at a lower dose, and maybe a little less duration, like 7-10 days rather than full two weeks, and I would definately run arimidex during the recovery period from when you start the HCG to quitting the clomid. Something doesn't seem quite right about running the Clomid and the HCG together the full two weeks there. I think the HCG should kick start your nuts in advance of the Clomid. I would also taper the winny that last week- I know some guys don't like tapering but my opinion is different just don't drag it out forever. Your gains will be about done by that point in your cycle anyway. I would save the Proviron for the recover period if you have any depression or other crash symptoms. In general I think you should have some nolvadex or the Arimdiex on hand in case any issues arise during the cycle it just depends on your sensitivity levels.

 

[BigAndy69]

So luvs,

what happened to your deca/test cycle? Any results?

 

[Willyumyum]

I wouldn't use HCG during clomid, at least not at that dose doses over 1000 IU can desensitize the testicles to LH, which is the exact opposite of the goal of clomid... I would use it @ 500iu for a few (maybe the entire week) before clomid you start clomid.

YUM

 

[Shoot Me Up]

great guys, thankyou very much for all your generous help. Well, according to your replys, i have decided to cut out the HCG with the clomids and only take 500IU's for 1 week eather at week 5 or 6 depending on how my balls feel. And then at week 11, 2 weeks before i start clomid at 500IU's for one full week..How does that sound? better then before? Also, I guess I will cut out the proviron and keep nolvadex on hand in case of sensitivity, but starting at week 12, I will start proviron at 50mgs loading up for that one week and then continue it through clomid therapy and an extra 3 weeks after by itself for security....

should i run the proviron more then 3 weeks alone after clomids or is that good enough? and if so how many more extra weeks, and do you think the loading up Idea before i get off is a good idea?


To Big Andy: The sust/deca cycle was garbage because of MY DIET! I have finally realized that steroids are a waiste of money unless you eat clean and lots of protien and fat content with low carbs. I put on probably 30-40lbs in that cycle and had the worse case of moon face, big fat stomach and looked like the ninja turtle blimp. about a month ago, i decided to start dieting, and do things the right way in which, i went from 240 to 215lbs and still moving down in weight today. The cycle that you see above will be on hand and prepared so this way the day that I get RIPPED NATURALLY through dieting/cardio/working out intensely the day i start this cycle above no matter how long it takes...so basically thats where i stand now!!! later pal

 

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[Triple J]

Regarding the Proviron I would just run it at 50 mg for the first 10 days of Clomid, taking it all in the morning, and then taper at 25mg until done with the Clomid. Then have it on hand for after Clomid only if you still feel shitty and need a little boost - just take the 25mg in the morning. Regarding the HCG at week 5/6 that just seems like a waste to me. Oh and take the HCG the week before Clomid not two weeks before, you want a shot or two of HCG after you are done with the winnie and before you start the Clomid. Maybe I'm splittin hairs but that is how I would run it. You got enough winnie there to knock your balls back down that is why I suggested tapering the winnie as you started the HCG, and wrap up the winnie and then follow on with another shot or two of HCG. You probably only need 3-4 shots of HCG to have their effect anyway, before you get going with the Clomid. You can judge this by the size of your balls once they seem no longer atrophied quit the HCG - it should only take a week or so if the roids are cleaned out.

 

[Cornellius]

Dont use HCG at all......no need....in fact it just makes the "impresion" of recovery. Go with clomid.