Is it time for clomid/nolva

[Vascular Freak]

I started HCG this past Sunday, and was still using prop and winstrol. I took my last prop shot yesterday but am still taking winstrol.

Should I drop the winstrol at this point and start clomid, and nolva? Or wait till I am done with the HCG then start clomid and nolva?

I was planning on stopping the winstrol at the same time as the HCG and then starting clomid, and nolva.

Suggestions

 

[boxerjake]

I have'nt uses nolv in years .. clomid seems to be better for bringing back the juice if you know what i mean .

My PCT protocal has always been HCG first and then bring on the clomid after , works well for me but other guys combine the two .

If i droped in some HCG mid cycle and kept the boys size then it took less PCT then if my nuts were total atrophy . A week to ten days of HCG and then 2 weeks of clomid at 50mg ED then i switch to all the natural test boasters like evna sativa and tribulus and stinging nettle root extract etc etc etc ....

Since HCG has been easy to get i've not had a hard PCT crash in years ... I remember in the early 80's doing test / deca/ d-bol for 2 months straight and then dieing a dasterdly death aftwards because we knew nothing about PCT then ...

 

[AhMadKooL]

I started HCG this past Sunday, and was still using prop and winstrol. I took my last prop shot yesterday but am still taking winstrol.

Should I drop the winstrol at this point and start clomid, and nolva? Or wait till I am done with the HCG then start clomid and nolva?

I was planning on stopping the winstrol at the same time as the HCG and then starting clomid, and nolva.

Suggestions

Check out Sweeds response in this thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506686

It says:
"When to begin PCT:

On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

Keep in mind, pituitary LH secretion automatically increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to completely clear from your system, ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when beginning PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the well known “crash” effect.

*As previously mentioned, the actions of HCG take place independently and is not affected by exogenous hormones and/or preexisting HPTA suppression. There are no contradictions with respect to the effectiveness of HCG usage while exogenous hormones are present in your system.

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

3.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

4.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks."

Best of luck