Is it possible to never recover ?

[Oxbow]

Hello,
22 yo, two cycles under my belt. 7 years of training.
I did a 12 weeks deca/test cycle as first cycle 9 months ago. 7 months after pct (only clomid nolva and aromasin) my test was really low.. I tried to do a hpta protocole (8 shots 2500 UI HCG EOD + clomid/nolva for 6 weeks)
My test was a little bit higher but still below normal range.

Tried HCGenerate and test 17 did not work. Dont have te money to try other sponsored products sorry maybe they works for some other people.

I was on vacation for the last time before going to university so I went through another cycle (deca test anavar) I'm currently at week 5 and wanted to put myself on TRT after because I've lost all hope to recover. I made great gains.

But doc told me "you always recover" and talked to me about HPTA restart protocols. He doesnt want to put me on TRT.

Why should I do ? have I hope to recover ? I'm 22 yo.

Can AAS cause hypogonadism ? Is it HCG desentization ? Is it reversible ?

My current plan is to make 3 hpta restart protocols :
2500 ui HCG EOD 8 shots with clomid nolva for 6 weeks. If they all fail I'll go on trt

Thank you

 

[SoCalMK6GTI]

What made you decide to do a cycle at only 21 years old? Medical reasons?

 

[Oxbow]

I know i was too young maybe. But a guy in my gym made one at 15 yo and recovered well. Actually I'm 23 in one month and was 22.

But what should I do now ? TRT or Is it impossible to not recover ?

Can AAS cause Hypogonadism or things like that ?

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

It's certainly possible to never recover. Everyone is different. The older you get the harder it gets, but again, everyone is different. Myself, I was diagnosed with low test levels before ever cycling at all.

 

[25homes]

U way to young for trt...id go on an extended pct bro like 8 weeks...
Id run like this
Clomid100/100/100/50/50/50/25/25
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Hcgenrate es
Osta 25mg daily
Unleashed and post cycle
That should do the trick might even keep taking clomid at 12.5mg ed for a while after 8 weeks..good fried had same issue this did it for him he did the clomid 12.5mg for another 4 weeks

 

[RickRock13]

What are your levels at exactly?

 

[Oxbow]

I'm currently on cycle so... HPTA down

 

[noodles1010]

I had the same exact problem after almost the same cycle.
The ONLY way I recovered was the following.

3x week hcg 2500iu inj inter muscular
Eod hmg 75iu subcutaneous inj
Do that weeks 1 & 2
Then clomid 50mg ed for 2 mos (start this week 1 with hcg & hmg)
Aromasin 12.5mg eod on week 3 (run this for 2 weeks, should be long enough to wack down Any leftover estrogen into norm range)
Run a strong test booster throughout.
Take inj b12 1000mcg inj intermuscular from day 1.
Fish oil.
A glass of wine won't hurt.
Work the fuck out of your legs.

Understand... decades is a MOTHER FUCKER to come back from. It is a loooong Ester. Don't give up. It takes time and imo with deca, takes drugs too. Do what I said. You WILL come back. Then when it's over keep taking vitamins, fish oil, b12 inj etc and let your body find homeostasis


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[noodles1010]

Hmg 75iu eod**** week 1&2

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[Francofranco]

Hey bro , the good thing on your side is age. Recovery, if one is able, can be extensive. Last resort is trt IMO . Don't give up, either way is not the end of the world. With that please learn from your dumbass mistakes. I think your cycles are damn suppressive for what you're trying to accomplish. The deeper the hole the harder it will be to climb out. Good your talking to the doc. Make sure you get bloods and see where you're at.
Best of luck bro.

 

[Oxbow]

Thanks a lot for answers

I dont have and cant get HMG so..this is a rare compound used in pct and I will try to recover without it. A lot of people have recovered without it.
Thankd noodles I'll try with that.

 

[stevesmi]

I wish you would of gotten bloodwork pre using juice at such a young age.

believe it or not you still haven't matured into a man yet at 21, although you probably think you are a man... you just aren't. so your T levels and obsessing over them is gonna get you nowhere.

secondly you should have never ran deca if you weren't going to deal with the consequences and you say you 'cant afford' to run a pct. well if you can't afford to run a pct then you shouldn't juice in the first place.

to answer your question YES its possible to never recover. however in your case I would say there is a high chance you will if you run a series of correct PCT's.... it takes a MINIMUM of 6 months to recover from deca. some guys will take a year or two. so you need to continue running PCT's.. see the pct in my signature and run that to a tee.

 

[noodles1010]

I wish you would of gotten bloodwork pre using juice at such a young age.

believe it or not you still haven't matured into a man yet at 21, although you probably think you are a man... you just aren't. so your T levels and obsessing over them is gonna get you nowhere.

secondly you should have never ran deca if you weren't going to deal with the consequences and you say you 'cant afford' to run a pct. well if you can't afford to run a pct then you shouldn't juice in the first place.

to answer your question YES its possible to never recover. however in your case I would say there is a high chance you will if you run a series of correct PCT's.... it takes a MINIMUM of 6 months to recover from deca. some guys will take a year or two. so you need to continue running PCT's.. see the pct in my signature and run that to a tee.

I second this. 100%

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[RickRock13]

Definitely run a complete PCT, then get blood work done a few weeks later to see where your levels are at. Here is what I would do

Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG guys)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (AG Guys)
Test Stack
Ostarine 25mg ED (sarms1)

I will send some discounts your way to help out

 

[noodles1010]

Guys placebos aren't gonna help this kid... he needs hard core recovery for deca and you all know it. No herb or plant is gonna recover his levels. I been down that road. It was expensive and pointless. He needs clomid, hcg, hmg, aromasin, b12 injections, a booster, clean diet, intense workouts on legs in specific and timeeeee

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[Zyglamail]

Some of the most common reasons reasons for low test are simply nutritional. Iodine plays a crucial role in sexual organ function as well as thyroid function. There is a clearly documented link between poor thyroid function and low T.

Not only does cycling shut down natural hormone production it uses natural resources and an accelerated rate, not only for muscle growth but to combat the additional oxidative stress imposed by rapid growth. Most people falsely assume a clean diet gives them all they need but with the added demands of an athletic lifestyle combined with modern life surrounded by toxins its next to impossible to thrive without some supplements.