Is eating carbs after cardio while cutting bad?

[mus1cjunk1e]

I posted a similar thread asking if waxy maize was good to take after doing cardio in general. Sim882 mentioned eating oatmeal instead because it is more nutrient dense, fills you up more, and you don't want the insulin spike after cardio anyway.

So right now I do 1 hr cardio after work, come home and eat 1/2 cup oatmeal mixed with half cup of applesauce and 1 scoop of pro complex (30g protein, mixed whey and egg). Then my last meal of the day is a cassien shake before bed.

Is eating those carbs keeping more from burning more fat? I know they shouldn't be stored as fat because they will be stored as glycogen in the muscles to replace what was used up during the cardio, but are they keeping me from burning more body fat for longer?

What do you guys usually do after cardio (while loosing weight or bulking)?

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

It all depends on the intensity of your cardio and where u are at with your cutting. If you are doing some intense cardio then your body is going to dip into the glycogen in your muscles for energy but if your just hitting some low to moderate cardio then your body tends to dip more into fat stores and whatever you ate earlier in the day. Either way when im dieting down for a show I never do waxy or oats after my afternoon cardio. I'll hit some protein and fat for the last meals of the night. I hope this helps but everybody is different. Im carb sensitive u might not be

 

[timtim]

It all depends on the intensity of your cardio and where u are at with your cutting. If you are doing some intense cardio then your body is going to dip into the glycogen in your muscles for energy but if your just hitting some low to moderate cardio then your body tends to dip more into fat stores and whatever you ate earlier in the day. Either way when im dieting down for a show I never do waxy or oats after my afternoon cardio. I'll hit some protein and fat for the last meals of the night. I hope this helps but everybody is different. Im carb sensitive u might not be

no need for carbs after cardio. protein/fat is the way to go.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Right now I walk fast on a treadmill set at about 11 incline at about 3.5 speed for 1 hour. I also try to drop the incline down to about 5 every 10-15 minutes and up the speed to 5.5 and jog for a minute or two. That should be what you are referring to as low to moderate cardio.

I don't think I'm very carb sensitive, but how would I know for sure?

I guess for now I will cut out the carbs altogether and replace those cals with natural peanut butter. So now my only carbs will come during breakfast and pre-workout.

 

[Sim882]

Although I agree that carbs after LISS cardio are not required, I suspect ur insulin sensitivity will be higher after moderate to intense cardio than for breakfast, so I'm not sure why if carbs are OK for breaky, why they are not after cardio (if anything skip breaky carbs).

I find my legs are too sore if I have no carbs after running or sports

 

[timtim]

Although I agree that carbs after LISS cardio are not required, I suspect ur insulin sensitivity will be higher after moderate to intense cardio than for breakfast, so I'm not sure why if carbs are OK for breaky, why they are not after cardio (if anything skip breaky carbs).

I find my legs are too sore if I have no carbs after running or sports

you have a good point.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Although I agree that carbs after LISS cardio are not required, I suspect ur insulin sensitivity will be higher after moderate to intense cardio than for breakfast, so I'm not sure why if carbs are OK for breaky, why they are not after cardio (if anything skip breaky carbs).

I find my legs are too sore if I have no carbs after running or sports

My only guess would be that since my body would be in a state of fat burning, if I give it more (good) fats and some protein, it will continue to burn fat (the fat I gave it and my own) where if I eat carbs I would no longer be burning any fat for energy. But I don't know if thats true or not.

Anyway, last night after my cardio session I just had 2 scoops of PB and a protein shake and I felt great. The PB filled me up and held me over til my next meal (a chicken breast and 1 scoop PB) and I wasn't craving food like I do after cardio sometimes. I'm gonna stick with that for a while and see how it goes.

 

[Captain FT]

I believe there are some posts of people taking Waxy Maize while cutting and within an hour after taking it they are back in a ketogenic state.

I'd have to search for it though, it might have been a response from GUARDIAN

 

[Sim882]

My only guess would be that since my body would be in a state of fat burning, if I give it more (good) fats and some protein, it will continue to burn fat (the fat I gave it and my own) where if I eat carbs I would no longer be burning any fat for energy. But I don't know if thats true or not.

Anyway, last night after my cardio session I just had 2 scoops of PB and a protein shake and I felt great. The PB filled me up and held me over til my next meal (a chicken breast and 1 scoop PB) and I wasn't craving food like I do after cardio sometimes. I'm gonna stick with that for a while and see how it goes.

If you keep your body in a fat burning state, but you ate fat, it doesn't necessarily follow that your in a better net result

E.g., if I down 40 grams of fat instead of 90 carbs (both 360 cals), and then burn 360 cals in the next 3 hours at rest, I'm in the same situation if I only burnt fat in the post cardio fat meal scenario as if I only burned carbs in the post cardio carb scenario. What matters is if net, over a 24 hour period, would you burn more net fat (after adjusting for dietary consumption of fat - i.e., burn more body fat)

 

[Sim882]

I believe there are some posts of people taking Waxy Maize while cutting and within an hour after taking it they are back in a ketogenic state.

I'd have to search for it though, it might have been a response from GUARDIAN

Guardian was talking post weights.

However, the theory would be that ketosis relies on no liver glycogen (as opposed to no muscle glycogen), so waxy maize, by its speetdy uptdate as muscle glycogen, will blunt ketosis less than say apples or other sources of carbs containing some fructose

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

If you keep your body in a fat burning state, but you ate fat, it doesn't necessarily follow that your in a better net result

E.g., if I down 40 grams of fat instead of 90 carbs (both 360 cals), and then burn 360 cals in the next 3 hours at rest, I'm in the same situation if I only burnt fat in the post cardio fat meal scenario as if I only burned carbs in the post cardio carb scenario. What matters is if net, over a 24 hour period, would you burn more net fat (after adjusting for dietary consumption of fat - i.e., burn more body fat)

I get what your saying, but I think it would be different because of the insulin release from the carbs. I.e. the carbs release insulin which make you store energy whereas the fat does not so you just burn. Once again I'm not an expert so I'm just guessing.

 

[timtim]

I get what your saying, but I think it would be different because of the insulin release from the carbs. I.e. the carbs release insulin which make you store energy whereas the fat does not so you just burn. Once again I'm not an expert so I'm just guessing.

the insulin response makes a difference. when insulin in present i believe fat burning stops.

 

[Sim882]

Gymnasts and sprinters are pretty ripped all year round, never enter the fat burning zone during exercise (as purely anerobic activity), would eat carbs post cardio.

Cals in < Cals out may have some relevance.

 

[cobracock1979]

Im on a keto diet but still hit 50g waxy PWO after weights+low intensity cardio. Apparently it leaves the belly in less than 10 mins?