Is clomid PLUS nolva better post-cycle?

[DaMan]

Just curious after llewellyn's post... I'm gonna do the regular clomid thing, but wondering if throwing in sum nolva with it would help post-cycle hpta recovery...

Thoughts?

 

[waterboy]

i would not use nolva unless u had gyno or were getting gyno ...the clomid is enough ...if u want to use some thing else i would say use proviron ....just my 2 cents

 

[DaMan]

am doing the proviron anyway

but the nolva would be used DURING CLOMID, during which time I don't expect to be making gains anyway...

what do others think?

 

[Big Moose]

If you are coming off a cycle with heavy test I would say yes, to combat delayed estrogen related sides. I have found arimidex plus clomid to be very effective post cycle.

 

[waterboy]

am doing the proviron anyway

but the nolva would be used DURING CLOMID, during which time I don't expect to be making gains anyway...

what do others think?

i knew what you were saying ....i just read some thing that was talking about taking nolva and clomid after a cycle so who knows......... the only reason why i said not to take it because it makes some people sick it made me get bad headaches and the same for my friend ...

 

[DaMan]

bump... so who thinks throwing nolva into clomid therapy will recover hpta faster?

 

[Willyumyum]

there have been a bunch of posts in the past week or two about nolva + HCG after cycle being a good alternative to clomid.. do a search.

YUM

 

[DaMan]

my question wasn't about nolva + hcg (hcg causes lh downregulation post-cycle, i'm not touching it), it was about nolva + clomid.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Clomid is sufficient on it's own for re-initialization,no need to add nolvadex.

 

[Zeke_B]

If you need the nolva for gyno you probably don't need
the clomid. They do almost exactly the same thing when
it comes to stimulating LH production. Clomid is very
cheap though and it probably wouldn't hurt. HCG actually
mimicks LH and Armidex prevents aromatization to est.
These could be used with Nolva or Clomid.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

my question wasn't about nolva + hcg (hcg causes lh downregulation post-cycle, i'm not touching it), it was about nolva + clomid.

HCG desensitizes the testes to LH if overused, however for a short course post cycle it can be important. The reason is that LH levels rebound on their own rather quickly. It is the atrophied state of the testes that make T rebound so slow. When guys rely on Clomid or Nolvadex alone they are doing little to help the situation, as heightened LH levels come normally post cycle. HCG on the other hand provides rapid stimulation for the testes, to help restore original mass (and the ability to respond properly to LH) more quickly. A combination of both HCG and anti-estrogen seems to be the most prudent.

- Bill Llewellyn

BTW-Clomid and Nolvadex are structurally related and do essentially the same thing, however in Men Nolvadex seems a little more ideally suited for post-cycle recovery and T stimulation.

 

[DaMan]

HCG desensitizes the testes to LH if overused, however for a short course post cycle it can be important. The reason is that LH levels rebound on their own rather quickly. It is the atrophied state of the testes that make T rebound so slow. When guys rely on Clomid or Nolvadex alone they are doing little to help the situation, as heightened LH levels come normally post cycle. HCG on the other hand provides rapid stimulation for the testes, to help restore original mass (and the ability to respond properly to LH) more quickly. A combination of both HCG and anti-estrogen seems to be the most prudent.

- Bill Llewellyn

BTW-Clomid and Nolvadex are structurally related and do essentially the same thing, however in Men Nolvadex seems a little more ideally suited for post-cycle recovery and T stimulation.

Argh, my nuts haven't atrophied, why is everyone on this thread talking about HCG?

It's not so much the size of my nuts I'm concerned about, but rather my libido which has been subpar since I began this cycle (containing 500mg TEST!!!! I don't know why!). I'm just concerned with long-term damage and want to be my good old horny self when I'm off and want to do everything I can to ensure recovery.

But testicle size, knock on (soft) wood, isn't an issue right now.

 

[XBiker]

If you are coming off a cycle with heavy test I would say yes, to combat delayed estrogen related sides. I have found arimidex plus clomid to be very effective post cycle.

That is what I will be doing very soon.