Is Arimidex Sufficient PCT ? ? ?

[Throw2Far]

Since Nolvadex only blocks the excess estrogen buildup, does Arimidex during cycle replace PCT since it prevents estrogen formation in the first place ?

 

[maldorf]

Since Nolvadex only blocks the excess estrogen buildup, does Arimidex during cycle replace PCT since it prevents estrogen formation in the first place ?

No. One of the main things you are doing in PCT is trying to get your natural test production back to normal, since it is reduced or shut down during your cycle.

 

[Throw2Far]

Ya nolvadex only does that by blocking estrogen receptors, since high estrogen levels inhibit you further. What if there is no estrogen to block because of arimidex throughout cycle? One of my vet friends told me this and I am just trying to see if its legit. Any comments are appreciated. K to u maldorf.

 

[maldorf]

Ya nolvadex only does that by blocking estrogen receptors, since high estrogen levels inhibit you further. What if there is no estrogen to block because of arimidex throughout cycle? One of my vet friends told me this and I am just trying to see if its legit. Any comments are appreciated. K to u maldorf.

Yes, that is a good question. I did not know that was the direction you were headed. I have often thought the same thing as your friend, but use the Nolva now just to be safe since it really isnt that expensive.

 

[gonelifting]

Armidex does'nt block "all estrogen". It's a number close to 50% or something. I could be way off as I'm a carpet installer by trade and know nothing about this stuff. Someone else help here!

 

[mendo]

I'm curious too.

Either way you would still want to use HCG if it was a long cycle...to address shrinkage.

 

[krishna]

It would make recovery easier, but it would be wise to run it past your cycle as PCT also. That way your test levels will most likely never drop below your e levels, and it will cause recovery through the negative feedback loop. I've seen guys (even one or two on this board) who stopped a-dex right when their cycle ended, and still ended up with gyno symptoms and "crashing" symptoms. You can use adex for PCT also, so just keep it going for a few weeks after your cycle.

 

[growthspurt]

It would make recovery easier, but it would be wise to run it past your cycle as PCT also. That way your test levels will most likely never drop below your e levels, and it will cause recovery through the negative feedback loop. I've seen guys (even one or two on this board) who stopped a-dex right when their cycle ended, and still ended up with gyno symptoms and "crashing" symptoms. You can use adex for PCT also, so just keep it going for a few weeks after your cycle.

I use Nolva when my cycle ends, especially when using HCG, which is known to cause estrogen problems. What do you think about that Krishna? Good/Bad?

 

[krishna]

I use Nolva when my cycle ends, especially when using HCG, which is known to cause estrogen problems. What do you think about that Krishna? Good/Bad?

You could also use adex with HCG as well. Adex might even be better as long as you've been on it during your cycle and estrogen levels haven't built up.

 

[ALIN]

Since Nolvadex only blocks the excess estrogen buildup, does Arimidex during cycle replace PCT since it prevents estrogen formation in the first place ?

only run the arimidex during cycle, not PCT.

 

[krishna]

only run the arimidex during cycle, not PCT.

That's what I used to think until Mr. X and Ulter's posts lead me to do more research. Why do you think you shouldn't use it for PCT?

 

[Throw2Far]

That's what I used to think until Mr. X and Ulter's posts lead me to do more research. Why do you think you shouldn't use it for PCT?

I agree, I am running adex throughout and 2 weeks after, to stop excess estrogen formation. Also planning on using nolvadex to block any estrogen that gets by the adex.

So the consensus is use Adex and Nolva for extra precaution ?

 

[growthspurt]

I agree, I am running adex throughout and 2 weeks after, to stop excess estrogen formation. Also planning on using nolvadex to block any estrogen that gets by the adex.

So the consensus is use Adex and Nolva for extra precaution ?

I don't think both are neccessary. for some, nolva doesn't do the trick and they need the more expensive Armidex. I get by fine on Nolva. The nice thing about Armidex is that it acts as a aromatase inhibitor where Nolva doesn't stop Aromatase, it blocks the Estrogen

 

[bigrand]

Use adex pct. The prevention of estrogen formation signals body to produce more test (which can then be aromatized to estro). Best is a direct stim of LH (SERM or tribulus) and an aromitase inhibitor (adex, ldex, asin).

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm not sure I see the connection between estrogen and the need for pct.

 

[paridhm]

Just remember that Adex isn't going to help with non-aromatizing gear.

 

[krishna]

The way that you recover is to keep your estrogen levels suppressed which signals the feedback loop to produce more test. I didn't understand how non-aromatizing gear would have any effect on this either, but apparently it does. I always thought that you got suppressed from over-activity of the androgen receptors. Apparently, according to Ulter, all gear aromatizes to some extent.

 

[bigrand]

Your body recognizes excess androgens and shuts down, so it doesnt matter if the AAS aromatizes. The body recognizes low estro levels PCT and stims test production which will be aromatized into estro, body is happy again.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the issue of suppression with non aromatic steroids is more closely related to cross receptor activity and Progestenic influence.

 

[krishna]

the issue of suppression with non aromatic steroids is more closely related to cross receptor activity and Progestenic influence.

Care to elaborate?

 

[BLACKDOOG]

After a cycle Estrogen and Cortisol become the dominant hormones in your body which causes muscle loss therefore if you use Arimdex during Pct it will help because in reduces the amont of estrogen in your system alllowing your natural testosterone to kick back in as long as you use clomid hcg and nolvadex with it allowing it to become the dominant hormone again.

Since Nolvadex only blocks the excess estrogen buildup, does Arimidex during cycle replace PCT since it prevents estrogen formation in the first place ?

 

[growthspurt]

I'm not trying to diss Armidex, but if you are running Armidex, there is no need to waste your money running Nolva @ the same time. Nolva blocks the Estrogens receptors which is not neccessary for you to do if you're running Armidex.............because there won't be any Estrogen to block.
I say, use the cheaper Nolva, if that ain't cutting it, switch to Armidex. If I'm not correct, somebody tell me.

 

[bigrand]

Nolva is a serm and is activity with the E receptor stimulates LH production.
Adex works through a different mechanism to stimulate LH production.
Its best to use both.