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Just found this on an FDA web page.... Basically it says that Nutropin Depot offers less "growth" than everyday injections...


Released by FDA: 7/28/00. Posted by FDA: 8/2/00

Robert L. Garnick, Ph.D.
Vice President, Regulatory Affairs
Genentech, Inc.
1 DNA Way
South San Francisco, CA 94080-4990

RE: NDA # 21-075
Nutropin Depot [somatropin (rDNA origin) for injectable suspension]
MACMIS ID# 9082

Dear Dr. Garnick:

This letter refers to Genentech Incorporated’s (Genentech) May 16, 2000 submission to the Division of Drug Marketing, Advertising, and Communications (DDMAC) under cover of Form FDA 2253 of a Healthcare Professional In- Service Resource Kit (item number 7223300) for Nutropin Depot. DDMAC, in consultation with the Division of Metabolic and Endocrine Drug Products, has reviewed the Resource Kit and has determined that it is in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and its implementing regulations. Specifically, we object for the following reasons:

Misleading Claims

Genentech presents the claim “Nutropin Depot represents a significant advance in terms of convenience over other currently available growth hormone replacement therapies.” This claim is misleading because it implies comparable efficacy to daily growth hormone therapies along with the increased convenience of a once or twice monthly regimen. This implication is misleading because it does not convey the material information provided in the approved product labeling (Pl) that growth rates for the long-acting formulation may not be comparable to those achieved with the daily formulation. Historical studies showed growth rates achieved on daily therapy are higher for treatment-naive patients. Also, according to the Pl, patients previously treated with daily growth hormone who were switched to Nutropin Depot experienced a decrease in growth rate. This decrease was of a higher magnitude than could be accounted for by the normal decrease experienced by patients who remain on a daily regimen.

The claim that Nutropin Depot is “the first long-acting dosage form of somatropin” is misleading because it implies a greater usefulness than has been demonstrated by substantial evidence. Nutropin Depot is only indicated for the long-term treatment of growth failure due to a lack of adequate endogenous GH secretion. Because there are other forms of somatropin that are approved for additional indications, this claim misleadingly implies that Nutropin Depot can be used in place of any other somatropin for any other indication.

Lack of Fair Balance

The Resource Kit contains effectiveness claims that are not fairly balanced with information regarding contraindications, warnings, precautions, and adverse reactions. Risk information should appear with a prominence and readability reasonably comparable to the presentation of information relating to the effectiveness of Nutropin Depot. For example, the 30-page handbook for caregivers and patients presents numerous efficacy claims for Nutropin Depot therapy. Risk information is only presented on 3 pages of the booklet and the information is inadequate to fully convey the risks of Nutropin Depot therapy. No information is presented regarding contraindications and warnings. Furthermore, your presentation of information regarding injection-site reactions minimizes the frequency and magnitude of their occurrence.

Requested Action

Genentech should immediately cease dissemination of this violative material and any other promotional materials with the same or similar claims or representations. You should respond to this letter by August 11, 2000. We request that you respond, in writing, with your intent to comply with the above. Your response should also include a list of all identified violative material and the proposed method and date for discontinuing their use.

Genentech should direct the correspondence to the undersigned by facsimile at (301) 594-6771, or at the Food and Drug Administration, Division of Drug Marketing, Advertising, and Communications, HFD-42, Rm. 17B-20, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20857.

DDMAC reminds you that only written communications are considered official. In all future correspondence regarding this matter, please refer to MACMIS #9082 and the NDA number.

Sincerely,

Margaret M. Kober, R.Ph.
Regulatory Review Officer
Division of Drug Marketing,
Advertising and Communications



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He may respond but if he does then he is better than me as can not understand WTF you are on about

Wrongun!
 
Ironmaster was basing his claims by real-life experience and personal testing........do you think that the pencil-neck doctor who is challenging the Nutropin Depot claims has done the same? Most of these doctors are just trying to get their names in the newspapers by acting like big shots by destroying the reputation of multi-billion dollar pharmacuticel companies.

I'll stick to the claims of ironmasters and other vets who have said that Nutropin is better than the other HGH forms.
 
What is so hard to follow about what he posted?? Riker29 is a pretty sharp guy and I was surprised by his response. The message is pretty clear to me. The FDA is basically denouncing the efficacy of Nutropin Depot and is asking that Genentech retract its claims that the long-acting GH is more effective or could taken in place of other proven methods. The source of the information seems fairly credible to me as it's coming from an MD. I'm certainly not an MD nor have I performed tests or studies on this product to dispute what the FDA is saying. Have any of you???

Plus, I believe ironmaster is still in the process of gathering information and putting together a detailed analysis on this product and has mentioned several times that more research and time is needed before he states an definitive position pro or con.
 
Juice Authority said:
What is so hard to follow about what he posted?? Riker29 is a pretty sharp guy and I was surprised by his response.

It was formatted all wierd, and the guy obviously felt he could not take like 30 seconds to actually correctly copy and paste in the pertinet text so that it would be easy for people to read.

If HE does not think its important enough to take 30 seconds to paste in correctly, then why should WE take OUR time to respond to him?

Thats was my point.
 
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Riker29 said:


It was formatted all wierd, and the guy obviously felt he could not take like 30 seconds to actually correctly copy and paste in the pertinet text so that it would be easy for people to read.

If HE does not think its important enough to take 30 seconds to paste in correctly, then why should WE take OUT time to respond to him?

Thats was my point.

My misunderstanding. I thought you were discrediting the information he posted but I see your point now.
 
Juice Authority said:
The source of the information seems fairly credible to me as it's coming from an MD. I'm certainly not an MD nor have I performed tests or studies on this product to dispute what the FDA is saying. Have any of you???

Read it again...he is a PhD...NOT an MD.
 
Shape, I've seen this before.

First of all, this is 3 years old, and has been resolved long ago. The letter is from a woman with a pharmacist's degree working for the "advertising and communications" division of the FDA, and is directed to her counter-part at Genetech.

Mainly, she objects to Genentech's literature in the prescribing info for doctors. She feels that the section on risks (side effects) of GH is too short......3 pages of warnings sounds like a lot to me, but not to this bitch. Her other claim is that Genentech exaggerates the results of Depot in advertising.

I'm not sure what her problem is........at Genentech's website, they post some research that indicates that children with non-functioning pituitary glands do a little better on daily injections. This means nothing to me because I'm not a child with a non-functioning PG. I don't plan to grow in height.

What I do want, is to get the benefits of GH replacement therapy for older bodybuilders......and Depot seems to be nearly ideal for that purpose.
As I have said before, I am happy with my results with once a month Depot injections. I may recommend injecting every 3 weeks to keep plasma levels more level, but think about it......once or twice a month!!!!! No travel problems, no timing problems.

Thanks, Hulkster, and Juice Authority is right.....I am on my 4th kit and have not yet posted a final opinion. I'll say this, though, I've tried every brand out there. Liked most of them. But this could be my overall favorite for reasons of effectiveness, convenience, and price.
I'll have a better report and suggestions on how to use Depot according to your age and goals soon.

BTW, fuck the FDA. They prevent us from access to many compounds we need, and they do it for no good reason at all. Big government!
 
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