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[Toenail Juice Z]

I'm getting a bit of a complex about the gains I've made so far because I'm not so content with what I see in the mirror. This is why I need your opinion on what I should have expected, owing to the fact that your are an experience roid user.

To get to the point, I trained for about a year and a half before I juiced. I have done 3 cycles so far
Before I juiced I was about 156lbs.

My 1st cycle consisted of 200mg Deca for 10 weeks

My 2nd cycle was Deca at 200mg & Sustanon at 250mg for 8 weeks

My 3rd cycle consisted of
Week 1-4 25mg Dianabol
Week 1-8 200mg deca
Week 1-6 500mg Sustanon
week 6-8 250mg Sustanon

And yes I have always used clomid at the end of my cycles.
My stats now are age 23 5ft 11' 198lbs (bodyfat unknown but I can pinch about an inch of flab from my belly but abs show when I tence)
During my 3rd cycle my bodyweight went up to 211lbs, but now 2 weeks after ive finished my cycle I am back to 198lbs.

Are these satisfactory gains?,
I could have been doing something wrong eg:diet, which I know it's extremely important, but it was never very consistant and strict to the bone.

Anyway this will be my 4th cycle, tell me what you think.


WEEK**DIANABOL*PRIMOTESTON*DECA***WINSTROL*
1*******40mg****500mg******300mg***********
2*******40mg****750mg******300mg***********
3*******40mg****750mg******300mg***********
4*******35mg****750mg******300mg***********
5***************750mg******300mg***********
6***************750mg******300mg***********
7***************750mg******300mg***********
8***************750mg******300mg***50mg(ed)
9***************750mg******200mg***50mg(ed)
10**************750mg******200mg***50mg(ed)

I have clomid, proviron & Nolvadex.

So I will ask you again are these satisfactory gains? because the mirror tells me otherwise
BTW I have never done cardio. I just wanted to bulk up as much as I can first!

I will greatly appreciate a response.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

im not the big dogs of the board, but from your prier cycles I see why your gains are lacking. The new cycle you have will do much better for you. You may also want to increase that deca, this is why you are being a little disappointed at your results. Remember you need to abuse it a little to get big

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Those are satisfactory gains DURING your cycle,but I'm not liking the post cycle weight crashes your experiencing.What you're going to need to start doing to avoid this is running a non-aromitizing(or low aromitizing)anabolic well past the other items...Here's one that will keep those gains better-

Primoteston-750mgs/week for 8 weeks
Dianabol-30mgs/day for first six weeks
Winstrol,at 50mgs/day from weeks 6-10
Equpoise or primobolan-400mgs/week starting at week 4 and ran through week 12...

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Those are satisfactory gains DURING your cycle,but I'm not liking the post cycle weight crashes your experiencing.What you're going to need to start doing to avoid this is running a non-aromitizing(or low aromitizing)anabolic well past the other items...Here's one that will keep those gains better-

Primoteston-750mgs/week for 8 weeks
Dianabol-30mgs/day for first six weeks
Winstrol,at 50mgs/day from weeks 6-10
Equpoise or primobolan-400mgs/week starting at week 4 and ran through week 12...

What an excellent idea! But moneywise this is a bit difficult for me.

What if I run deca at 200mg for an extra 2 months?

 

[The Iron Game]

You lost quite a bit on your third cycle which could be due to a number of factors. I am not doctor and no tests/check ups where carried out so I cannot say for sure. Im thinking it has to do with the deca shutting you down harder and being alot harder to restore your hpt axis. 3 weeks of clomid therapy may not be enough and its also a little harder to determine when to start clomid after a deca cycle. Its not so easy as im using deca so it should be 3 weeks. A number of other factors should be taken into account.

Now personally I am not a fan of deca and in this cycle you have planned deca + dbol + test = water and so its only expected to lose some weight post cycle.

I would defintely opt for a test + dbol + eq cycle instead for a number of reasons.

Enanthate is going to take a little while to reach amounts needed to bring growth with it so for this reason rather than tappering up its more beneficial to taper down the first 2 weeks (start high and then go with the amount you wished to use). If you want to use 750mgs throughout the cycle then start off with 1000mgs. Dont worry just because you inject 1000mgs does not mean you are using 1000mgs. So I would do something like this in relation to test:

Enanthate week 1: 1000mgs
Enanthate week 2: 1000mgs
Enanthate week 3 - 10: 750mgs

You can get away with injecting once a week but I always recommend splitting this up into at least every 5 days of shooting (this is also my preference with eq, deca, cyp)

As for the the dianabol

Week 1 & 2: 40mgs daily
Week 3: 30mgs daily
Week 4: 25mgs daily

Make sure you are dosing the dbol 4 hours apart throughout the day.

The Eq but also applies to the deca if you wish to use that:

Week 1 & 2: 600mgs
Week 3 - 10: 400mgs weekly

Clomid 3 weeks after your last injection:

Day 1: 300mgs daily
Day 2-10 100mgs daily
Day 11-21 50mgs daily

I would also recommend proviron to be ran at the same time as the clomid.

Nolvadex on hand and proviron 25mgs daily, if you start feeling you are holding too much water increase it to 50mgs daily. Again if 50mgs isnt enough then up to 75mgs. It will do no harm to come off the proviron mid cycle for a few weeks and then go back on. During this time off either add 10mgs nolva in there daily or just keep it on stand by.

Peace

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

What an excellent idea! But moneywise this is a bit difficult for me.

What if I run deca at 200mg for an extra 2 months?

Well,post cycle losses will occur with deca as well,as you can see from your previous cycles.Losses in water and progestogenic fat storage in muscle tissue,as well as it being SEVERELY disruptive to H-P-T-A function make it a poor choice to close out a cycle with in my opinion...If I were you,I'd save up a little more and get some eq instead...

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

You lost quite a bit on your third cycle which could be due to a number of factors. I am not doctor and no tests/check ups where carried out so I cannot say for sure. Im thinking it has to do with the deca shutting you down harder and being alot harder to restore your hpt axis. 3 weeks of clomid therapy may not be enough and its also a little harder to determine when to start clomid after a deca cycle. Its not so easy as im using deca so it should be 3 weeks. A number of other factors should be taken into account.

Now personally I am not a fan of deca and in this cycle you have planned deca + dbol + test = water and so its only expected to lose some weight post cycle.

I would defintely opt for a test + dbol + eq cycle instead for a number of reasons.

Enanthate is going to take a little while to reach amounts needed to bring growth with it so for this reason rather than tappering up its more beneficial to taper down the first 2 weeks (start high and then go with the amount you wished to use). If you want to use 750mgs throughout the cycle then start off with 1000mgs. Dont worry just because you inject 1000mgs does not mean you are using 1000mgs. So I would do something like this in relation to test:

Enanthate week 1: 1000mgs
Enanthate week 2: 1000mgs
Enanthate week 3 - 10: 750mgs

You can get away with injecting once a week but I always recommend splitting this up into at least every 5 days of shooting (this is also my preference with eq, deca, cyp)

As for the the dianabol

Week 1 & 2: 40mgs daily
Week 3: 30mgs daily
Week 4: 25mgs daily

Make sure you are dosing the dbol 4 hours apart throughout the day.

The Eq but also applies to the deca if you wish to use that:

Week 1 & 2: 600mgs
Week 3 - 10: 400mgs weekly

Clomid 3 weeks after your last injection:

Day 1: 300mgs daily
Day 2-10 100mgs daily
Day 11-21 50mgs daily

I would also recommend proviron to be ran at the same time as the clomid.

Nolvadex on hand and proviron 25mgs daily, if you start feeling you are holding too much water increase it to 50mgs daily. Again if 50mgs isnt enough then up to 75mgs. It will do no harm to come off the proviron mid cycle for a few weeks and then go back on. During this time off either add 10mgs nolva in there daily or just keep it on stand by.

Peace

This all sounds good and I appreciate your advice, but I already have the gear and no more money.

This is what I have. If you can (or need to) construct a better cycle for me with the following, I will be greatful for life.

I have:
29 Primotestons.(250mg)
14 Deca-Durabolins.
21 Winstrol Depots.
217 D-Bols.(tabs)

 

[gettingdiesel]

Your last cycle is the only one I would consider a cycle. Deca is very mild (but I love it) I think you got some incredible gains. Iron Game and Huck give great advice so take heed. Good luck

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Cheers everyone, here's a last bump

 

[The Iron Game]

29 Primotestons.(250mg)
14 Deca-Durabolins.
21 Winstrol Depots.
217 D-Bols.(tabs)

Enanthate:

1000mgs week 1
750mgs week 2-9

Deca:

400mgs/wk for 7 weeks

Dbol:

as above

Save the winstrol

By stopping the deca at week 7 you are going to be off a lot longer, by the time you start clomid therapy deca will be all but gone

Peace

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Iron Game, based on the cycle you constructed for me, can you also give me advice on clomid therapy?

eg: when to take it, dosages, days, etc


Thanks bro you've helped me a lot.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

BUMP

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Start the clomid at week 11,and run it like this-
Day-1)300mgs
Days 2-12)100mgs/day
Days 13-21)50mgs/day
Day-22)DONE...

 

[serge]

your diet, while on and when you come off is probably not top notch.

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Start the clomid at week 11,and run it like this-
Day-1)300mgs
Days 2-12)100mgs/day
Days 13-21)50mgs/day
Day-22)DONE...

Thanks Huck

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

your diet, while on and when you come off is probably not top notch.

Your right it's not. That's why this time i'm gonna invest in a lot of protein powders, weight gainers, steaks and tuna fish.

I aint gonna go wrong this time, but thanks for your concern bro

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

Start the clomid at week 11,and run it like this-
Day-1)300mgs
Days 2-12)100mgs/day
Days 13-21)50mgs/day
Day-22)DONE...

Huck, just curious, do you mean week 11 for the cycle iron game created for me, or the cycle I created. I hope it's for the one iron game gave me because that's the cycle i'm gonna do.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,that's based on the cycle that Iron_Game outlined for you...

 

[The Iron Game]

Yes,that's based on the cycle that Iron_Game outlined for you...

heh heh heh Huck, our friend had my name changed about 4 months back. I dont have the underscores anymore

im off to bed shortly so have a good night