They are real and great. IP is the shit and for all you who disagree I ask you put your mouth where your money is and have them tested. I promise they come back real and even in most cases overdoesed. Chinaman doesn't mess around, the amps, which by the way in all his products break perfect, a great sign, look up why, and IP was sick of taking the shit for other people messing with his bulks so amps it is. You will get results and they all depend on you, train, eat, sleep, and train again!... peace bro's