Screw those uneducated frigs. I am sick of people saying you didn't work for it. Hell, Arnie, Ron Coleman, Ferrigno, Haney, and even YOU AND ME did not just wake up with muscles. Gear or not, you have to bust your ass. You have to have dedication, drive, and hunger for it. If you don't, you will get nothing out of training, juice or not. I busted my ass for years before I got into this game. And let me tell you, it just gets even harder with the juice! Because you have to keep the diet, training and rest that much more in check. But to me it is all worth it. Those assholes are the typical lazy, jealous type. They are too lazy to put a few years into the gym, and give it there all to see what will happen. So they then become jealous at those who do have that dedication and say "oh it's just roids..." ... Oh yeah, and we should all get together for a acne med hose down. Because I don't know about you guys, but those HUGE PIMPLES on my back are killing me. Not to mentioned my pee nuts, I might have them as a side dish later with pork chops. Yeah right...