Interesting article in the new Muscular Development

[pitdogs]

I was reading the latest MD and came across an article by Dave Palumbo. Man this guy recommends massive doses! In this article he said that the average adult male (didn't specify age) produces approximately 250mg of test a week naturally. Therefore, if I were to run 500mg of Test E a week, once my natural test production shut down, I would actually only be adding 250mg. He recommends at least 750mg to 1000. With that said, could you guys give help me revise my next cycle since that article made me think twice. Here it is:

What I got: 20 Testovirons (250mg); 300 BD Dbol; 50 Proviron; also going to convert a 4 gram kit of fina. Nolva and HCG for later.

Now I was going to run the Test at 500mg a week, two shots a week. Do you think it would be wise to up that dosage to 750mg? Like this...

Week 1-10.....750mg/week Test Enan
Week 1-6.......30mg Dbol/day
Week 1-6.......Tren 75mg/day
Never used Proviron so any advice on when and how to run would be appreciated.

By the way, previous cycles consisted of Prop 500mg/week and Tren 75mg/day each for 12 weeks. Thanks Bro's

 

[gwl9dta4]

250 per week in natural production would be WAY WAY in the high range. Most guys fit in the 75-100mg category.

You can run your test at 500-600mg range IMO with no problems. Anything more is personal prefrence and you reach a point of diminishing returns with TEST. But then again some brolys run 2000mg per week,again it's all about preference and experimenting to find what works for you.

 

[dzulboy]

77mg a week is actually high for a healthy male palumbo is an idiot who relies on nothing but drugs probbaly why he is not pro....isn't he suppose to be in jail? oh yeah he ratted everyone out i forgot

 

[ripper2]

personally i like my test in the 750-1 gram range, but if this is onyly your 2nd cycle you will grow fine on 500mg/wk.

if you want to bump it to 750 like you have layed out then go ahead. you will like the results. on suggestion i'd make if i were doing the cycle you have outlined is to either run the tren the entire cycle or if you are only working with 4g, run it wks 8-13 (while the test enanthate is fading out of your system)

 

[pitdogs]

Thanks guys. Ripper-Thanks for the advice. I was actually thinking about running the tren the full ten weeks. But if I don't then I will just wait until the last four. Thanks

 

[gunner44]

Pitdogs,
Even though it sounds like you have run Tren before, Ill say this

I would recomment being carefull if you combine it with 500-750 mg test weekly, unless you run arimidex OR proviron 50mg daily with 10-20 mg daily on Nolvadex.

My point is this...tren by itself can be a good thing, even if you are getting some progesterone related sides. But if you are getting progestin and estrogen sides at the same time you got trouble.

Estrogen = Titties
Progesterone PLUS Estrogen = Milky Titties

Think about it.

I really believe that Tren is a single cycle compound until you are more famaliar with it. If you can tolerate Tren at 75 mg EOD or ED than you are good to go as far as the progesterone sides are concerned.

Play it safe with the tren. I did the first time I ran Tren, and I am sure glad I did. I got a small dense lump under my left nipple. Still there. Probably fiberous type of tissue which could now be "activated" by estrogen. NOt sure, I hope iam just over cautious.

Be carefull bro...Tren is some WAY powerfull shit mg for mg.

BTW: WHy did you run Test Prop and Tren for 12 weeks? Man thats a lot of jabs in the body if you ask me. Tren and Prop are great for shorter IN/OUT cycles, but FUCK!! Dude 12 weeks? FOr real???

 

[flex2win]

Gunner has a great post going with the progesterone/estrogen sides. I saw it with my cycle of test/eq/fina...i cut my fina down, and eventually went off of it @100mg/day.
Second, Dave Palumbo is a dumb ass who has totally trashed his body, unless you wish the same physique, i would stick with much safer doses of 500-750mg/wk of test. To me, it's just not worth the risk....especially if you are fairly new to anabolics...good luck...

 

[a-bomb83]

yeah, 250mg/week natty is waaaaaayyy fuckin high, unless your nuts are the size of large grapefruits, then i could see that. i was readin rick collins book legal muscle, and he said the that average male produces about somewhere from 5-7mg/day, thats nowhere near 250mg/week. what a jackass. oh yeah, i couldn't get the exact amount from the book cuz i don't have it right now, my lawyer does,lol. later

 

[pitdogs]

Thanks for all the responses fella's. Gunner44-Great info, I never thought about progestin and estrogen sides together. And yes I actually did run a QV Prop/Homebrew Tren for 12 weeks, and YES I felt like a pin cushion. I had to sleep with a heat pad most nights because my quads,glutes or delts were killing me. I actually hated it but enjoy the gains at the same time. That is why I wanted to go with the Test Enan this time. Plus it's human grade (Schering) and not QV.

Now I've got both Nolvadex and Proviron but I wasn't going to use the Nolva unless I had to and I was going to use the Proviron throughout. How should I dose it everyday?

Thanks again guys. Much appreciated.

 

[granby140]

if you only have 20 testivirons then how could you run 750mg afor 10 weeks?

 

[ShawnRay]

Dave Palumbo

I am by no means a fan of his physique but, please with the guy is an idiot bullshit....Not one person on this thread could hold a candle to his knowledge on the chemical game....Like it or not he is one smart bastard...Put his brains with some decent genetics and it would be a different ball game....He has an education and didnt just start spirting out advice from what he has learned in two years of board surfing....Im not trying to step on anyones toes with the truth here but, he is always in rock hard condition year around. He also hasnt come across any of the same health problems we are seeing on the guys trying to get in half the shape he is... Like I said minus his physique as a whole he is incredible to see in person....Narc.SR

 

[anabolicmd]

Re: Dave Palumbo

I am by no means a fan of his physique but, please with the guy is an idiot bullshit....Not one person on this thread could hold a candle to his knowledge on the chemical game....Like it or not he is one smart bastard...Put his brains with some decent genetics and it would be a different ball game....He has an education and didnt just start spirting out advice from what he has learned in two years of board surfing....Im not trying to step on anyones toes with the truth here but, he is always in rock hard condition year around. He also hasnt come across any of the same health problems we are seeing on the guys trying to get in half the shape he is... Like I said minus his physique as a whole he is incredible to see in person....Narc.SR

Oh yeah, Palumbo is a BB genius

 

[Stillgoing]

yeah, 250mg/week natty is waaaaaayyy fuckin high, unless your nuts are the size of large grapefruits, then i could see that. i was readin rick collins book legal muscle, and he said the that average male produces about somewhere from 5-7mg/day, thats nowhere near 250mg/week. what a jackass. oh yeah, i couldn't get the exact amount from the book cuz i don't have it right now, my lawyer does,lol. later

1- Every bro on HRT needs a different dose to put them at top of "normal" scale. Some do need up to 200mg per week or more. Some need substantially less.

2- Regarding average male daily production, also remember, of a 200mg dose of cypionate, a portion of that is the ester and so delivery of actual test is diluted.

 

[Stillgoing]

I was reading the latest MD and came across an article by Dave Palumbo. Man this guy recommends massive doses! In this article he said that the average adult male (didn't specify age) produces approximately 250mg of test a week naturally. Therefore, if I were to run 500mg of Test E a week, once my natural test production shut down, I would actually only be adding 250mg. He recommends at least 750mg to 1000. With that said, could you guys give help me revise my next cycle since that article made me think twice. Here it is:

What I got: 20 Testovirons (250mg); 300 BD Dbol; 50 Proviron; also going to convert a 4 gram kit of fina. Nolva and HCG for later.

Now I was going to run the Test at 500mg a week, two shots a week. Do you think it would be wise to up that dosage to 750mg? Like this...

Week 1-10.....750mg/week Test Enan
Week 1-6.......30mg Dbol/day
Week 1-6.......Tren 75mg/day
Never used Proviron so any advice on when and how to run would be appreciated.

By the way, previous cycles consisted of Prop 500mg/week and Tren 75mg/day each for 12 weeks. Thanks Bro's

No, you don't need to up the dose based on what Dave Palumbo says in a magazine. Further, I would revise your cycle as follows:

Test 500mg wk 1-10
Dbol 30mg ED 1-6
Tren 75mg ED 8-13

(or you can just as easily switch dbol & tren around, run dbol at end - this may be a little easier to recover from)

Begin nolv 3 days after last shot of tren. Run some anti-arom or anti-e through cycle. Alot of this will depend on if your gyno sensitive or not. If you run HCG, run it wks 11-13.

 

[Citruscide]

250 per week in natural production would be WAY WAY in the high range. Most guys fit in the 75-100mg category.

You can run your test at 500-600mg range IMO with no problems. Anything more is personal prefrence and you reach a point of diminishing returns with TEST. But then again some brolys run 2000mg per week,again it's all about preference and experimenting to find what works for you.

Agreed.

C-ditty

 

[lostlazy]

Stillgoing has the right idea.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Re: Dave Palumbo

I am by no means a fan of his physique but, please with the guy is an idiot bullshit....Not one person on this thread could hold a candle to his knowledge on the chemical game....Like it or not he is one smart bastard...Put his brains with some decent genetics and it would be a different ball game....He has an education and didnt just start spirting out advice from what he has learned in two years of board surfing....Im not trying to step on anyones toes with the truth here but, he is always in rock hard condition year around. He also hasnt come across any of the same health problems we are seeing on the guys trying to get in half the shape he is... Like I said minus his physique as a whole he is incredible to see in person....Narc.SR

Interesting point. His structure sucks, but for the most part that is genetic. Still, the guy is freakishly big, and has abes 365 days a year. He diets 5 weeks for a contest, and is a minimum of 280 ibs in the offseason, and stays very very lean. So, clearly he knows something about what he is doing. And SR is right, he is educated. I see guys on here with no college education, or a degree is business, with no science background, who don't possess anywhere near the size or density that Dave possesses, giving advice and being listened to every day on this board, and being respected for their input. Yet, people are always bashing DP. Is there something wrong with this picture?

 

[jasonstrong]

The most potent adult produces 7-11 mg of test a day which would be 77mgs. Natural bb'ers produce more from training. Dzullboy and others hit it on the head.
Sheeet I wish!
My first cycle was 200mg per week for 6 weeks and I gained 18 lbs....

 

[Stillgoing]

Re: Re: Dave Palumbo

Interesting point. His structure sucks, but for the most part that is genetic. Still, the guy is freakishly big, and has abes 365 days a year. He diets 5 weeks for a contest, and is a minimum of 280 ibs in the offseason, and stays very very lean. So, clearly he knows something about what he is doing. And SR is right, he is educated. I see guys on here with no college education, or a degree is business, with no science background, who don't possess anywhere near the size or density that Dave possesses, giving advice and being listened to every day on this board, and being respected for their input. Yet, people are always bashing DP. Is there something wrong with this picture?

Welcome to the life of a top national level competitor/pro in the internet age, I guess....He certainly does seem to stay in amazing shape all year round....

 

[dusty2]

ever tried t-bomb? it's made from a company i believe it's called mph. 1-test products like this should help.

 

[pitdogs]

Huh? Dude, I'm not into prohormones if that's what you're talking about.