insulin overrated

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

Hi.
I have used insulin on four previous cycles and each time tried different methods.
I have tried using it after training, between 8iu and up to 15iu under skin on stomach.
I have also tried using 15iu twice a day for a month.
I always gain a quick 4lb within a few days from the extra glycogen my muscles would be holding after the first few shots of insulin. After the initial few days I dont gain any more weight or size from the insulin at all and once I stop using it I lose it all as soon as the glycogen stores drop within my muscles.
I just cant see any point in using it any longer if I gain 4lb then lose it.
I have used it with HGH too and didnt notice any added synergistic effect of the two.
Am I doing something wrong here?
I am contemplating just using it before my next competition as a way to fully carb load two days prior to be on stage. Insulin is excellent being used this way but for me I feel it is way over rated in causing muscle growth and I dont like the idea of using it long term anyway.
Can someone add their own experiences or help me out here??!

 

[Joe Stick]

Uses it in conjunction with aas for better gains

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

I do use it with AAS. Gains arent any better

 

[Joe Stick]

You are correct about slin being overated though. I really expected to blow up but I was dissapointed but I do think it is useful though. It's hard to say whether the gains are from aas or the slin. How's your protein intake look when on it?

 

[hankes64]

Slin is the most anabolic hormone in the body, also most dangerous if you shoot it up without knowing what you are doing. You need to consume a massload of carbs and protein after injection, how many of each were you consuming?

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

I usually do 10iu say post training then do 100g dextrose drink with 60-70g of whay protein in water. An hour later I have a banana, bagel and maybe some chicken (150g).
That is a total of 150g carbs and 100g protein within 90 mins tops.
Is that enough?

 

[64Pilot]

I usually do 10iu say post training then do 100g dextrose drink with 60-70g of whay protein in water. An hour later I have a banana, bagel and maybe some chicken (150g).
That is a total of 150g carbs and 100g protein within 90 mins tops.
Is that enough?

BRO BRO BRO you need a different approach.. You are doing everything right in the beginning. Here is a sample of what I do

I do only 7IU afterworkout.
Drink 80-90 sugar carbs in the form of pure apple juice.
drive home and drink a double protein shake.
1 hour after the shot, I have a big meal/ Eat, eat ,eat, NO fat, or low fat
I eat chicken breasts, and brown rice. The insulin is what will shuttle the food/fuel to you muscles . Think of it this way. Normally, the transport system i a short bus, but after insulin, it is a big ass double decker deluxe bus. Packs a lot more in

what type of slin are you using. BTW I have never found that it helped being on AAS, however HGH it really helped. Also, most of the time I use slin, i am off cycle, works very well for it

 

[Joe Stick]

BRO BRO BRO you need a different approach.. You are doing everything right in the beginning. Here is a sample of what I do

I do only 7IU afterworkout.
Drink 80-90 sugar carbs in the form of pure apple juice.
drive home and drink a double protein shake.
1 hour after the shot, I have a big meal/ Eat, eat ,eat, NO fat, or low fat
I eat chicken breasts, and brown rice. The insulin is what will shuttle the food/fuel to you muscles . Think of it this way. Normally, the transport system i a short bus, but after insulin, it is a big ass double decker deluxe bus. Packs a lot more in

what type of slin are you using. BTW I have never found that it helped being on AAS, however HGH it really helped. Also, most of the time I use slin, i am off cycle, works very well for it

Yup gotta eat like a mofo while on the slin. I've seen it recommended to eat up 5g/kg of protein a day while on the slin! I always thought using it with aas works well together to increase gains. Any reason why you don't use it with juice?

 

[64Pilot]

Yup gotta eat like a mofo while on the slin. I've seen it recommended to eat up 5g/kg of protein a day while on the slin! I always thought using it with aas works well together to increase gains. Any reason why you don't use it with juice?

Honmestly, the Slin has always been the little trick I pull out of the bag for PCT It isnt truly part of the program, but you sure hell limit the amount of weight you drop, if any...HGH-----------> SLIN is when the real party begins

 

[Ulter]

Slin puts on more fat than I care to deal with.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

So:

7iu shot after training
straight away: sugars 90g
10 mins later: 100g whey protein
1 hour later: chicken breast (300g say) and loads rice (how much??)

Eating isnt a prob to me. I can eat like a hound.

How about if I do:

7iu shot
then 100g dextrose
then 100g whey
hour later have 300g chicken and two bagels (containing 90g carbs)

This is 200g carbs roughly and 180g protein and no fat. 1500 calories..

 

[JLA]

not trying to hijack, bro, but also:

is insulin necessary with gh? how about T3?

Good question, BTW

 

[boops]

Slin puts on more fat than I care to deal with.

agree here...when i tired it i just got fat and i wasnt over carbing eihther....again this is just what happened to me....

 

[Joe Stick]

So:

7iu shot after training
straight away: sugars 90g
10 mins later: 100g whey protein
1 hour later: chicken breast (300g say) and loads rice (how much??)

Eating isnt a prob to me. I can eat like a hound.

How about if I do:

7iu shot
then 100g dextrose
then 100g whey
hour later have 300g chicken and two bagels (containing 90g carbs)
This is 200g carbs roughly and 180g protein and no fat. 1500 calories..

That ought to do the trick! You only need around 10 g of dex per i.u. of slin so unless you are really sensitive to slin drop your post workout shake down to 70 g of dextrose maybe even a little less if you want but be careful. Remeber all that extra sugar will be stored as fat!

 

[big_boy_1]

Hi.
I have used insulin on four previous cycles and each time tried different methods.
I have tried using it after training, between 8iu and up to 15iu under skin on stomach.
I have also tried using 15iu twice a day for a month.
I always gain a quick 4lb within a few days from the extra glycogen my muscles would be holding after the first few shots of insulin. After the initial few days I dont gain any more weight or size from the insulin at all and once I stop using it I lose it all as soon as the glycogen stores drop within my muscles.
I just cant see any point in using it any longer if I gain 4lb then lose it.
I have used it with HGH too and didnt notice any added synergistic effect of the two.
Am I doing something wrong here?
I am contemplating just using it before my next competition as a way to fully carb load two days prior to be on stage. Insulin is excellent being used this way but for me I feel it is way over rated in causing muscle growth and I dont like the idea of using it long term anyway.
Can someone add their own experiences or help me out here??!

Are you using it with steroids?
If you dont, you wont gain much, and most of your gains will be fat.

 

[Makavelli]

For most people I only recommend that they use it for their carb ups. Slin will cause great gains, however you have to make sure your diet is on. You may not be eating enough to reap the best results from it. I have seen people blow up from slin and I've seen some gain very little. In most cases the difference being diet. So how many grams of carbs are you eating while using it?

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

Yes using it with AAS.

Joe stick,

I already use about 15g per IU post workout with 100g of protein spread over a three hour mark after training and I see no increase in size when used with AAS so even if I use your protocol which isnt too much diofferent from what I already do I dont see how I can drastically start seeing gains from slin.
I see slin as something excellent for pre contest carbing up but otherwise I feel I may well leave it alone.
Even if I ran 200g carbs and 150g protein in the post workout window which I have tried before the gains werent too good.
Maybe I will just stick to using it for a month in PCT to stop catabolism. This may work well I havent tried this but when on AAS, I feel slin is over rated.

Any more thoughts??

 

[hankes64]

Aren't you guys kinda scared of the stuff? I mean you can die from it, hypoglycemia then wham you fall asleep and dont wake up. How do you keep that from happening?

 

[Makavelli]

Aren't you guys kinda scared of the stuff? I mean you can die from it, hypoglycemia then wham you fall asleep and dont wake up. How do you keep that from happening?

You eat the right types and amount of carbs.

 

[hankes64]

I know that but you have to know the exact GI of the carbs so you know how fast it will get into your system, sounds crazy to me

 

[boops]

I know that but you have to know the exact GI of the carbs so you know how fast it will get into your system, sounds crazy to me

ehh its not that hard but again i say save this to the guys who comepete at high levels....

 

[big_boy_1]

Aren't you guys kinda scared of the stuff? I mean you can die from it, hypoglycemia then wham you fall asleep and dont wake up. How do you keep that from happening?

Unlikely to happen if you start with low dosages and slowly increase.
when you start to feel the symptoms of moderate hypoglycemia, you shouldnt increase the dosage.

 

[NJjuice22]

I agree, I was very dissapointed the few times I used it. not worth it IMO.





Hankes64- Its reallly not that hard to use safely. Obviously taking it near bedtime is not a good idea and thats why you use a fast acting insuling like Humalog... its in and out of your system in only a few hours. And as far as dying, when the hypo begins to kick in you feel it immediately, its really hard not know its time to get some sugar in you quick. you feel like crap when hypo begins.

 

[Makavelli]

I know that but you have to know the exact GI of the carbs so you know how fast it will get into your system, sounds crazy to me

Yeah, you're right. That's why I said you need to know the amount and the TYPE of carbs. I agree, this sport is crazy.

 

[Makavelli]

I agree, I was very dissapointed the few times I used it. not worth it IMO.





Hankes64- Its reallly not that hard to use safely. Obviously taking it near bedtime is not a good idea and thats why you use a fast acting insuling like Humalog... its in and out of your system in only a few hours. And as far as dying, when the hypo begins to kick in you feel it immediately, its really hard not know its time to get some sugar in you quick. you feel like crap when hypo begins.

Hankes is right. It's not that hard to control. You just have to pay attention and be calm. If you freak out it makes things worse.

 

[hankes64]

My mom is an RNCDE so I read her diabetes shit that are given to patients, so that turned me off and some pros on another board were saying the same thing. I would keep my GF around to ask me questions every so often to make sure im not slipping. Anyone had any problems with this? What do you guys suggest for a first time user (yes ive researched)? I get mixed views everywhere else

 

[maldorf]

That ought to do the trick! You only need around 10 g of dex per i.u. of slin so unless you are really sensitive to slin drop your post workout shake down to 70 g of dextrose maybe even a little less if you want but be careful. Remeber all that extra sugar will be stored as fat!

After starting at 10 g dextrose per IU in the beginning, i was able to cut that back to only 6 g dextrose per IU without going hypo. This helped me stay lean.

 

[southeastar]

After starting at 10 g dextrose per IU in the beginning, i was able to cut that back to only 6 g dextrose per IU without going hypo. This helped me stay lean.

slin works well for me with AAS but i get the best gains the 1st 4 weeks then gains arent that good and u just put on more fat.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

what gains have you guys made?
For me I gain a quick 4lb (all glycogen) then nothing after that.

Slin isnt that dangerous as long as you ingest enough simple carbs after and a solid meal an hour later. Obviously if you so the slin then forget the carbs your in trouble but you wouldnt!

 

[Makavelli]

My mom is an RNCDE so I read her diabetes shit that are given to patients, so that turned me off and some pros on another board were saying the same thing. I would keep my GF around to ask me questions every so often to make sure im not slipping. Anyone had any problems with this? What do you guys suggest for a first time user (yes ive researched)? I get mixed views everywhere else

I would start at 6 IU's and work up from there. When first starting out always over consume carbs until you reach 10 IU's. You can then reduce the carbs and see how you feel.

 

[Joe Stick]

what gains have you guys made?
For me I gain a quick 4lb (all glycogen) then nothing after that.

Slin isnt that dangerous as long as you ingest enough simple carbs after and a solid meal an hour later. Obviously if you so the slin then forget the carbs your in trouble but you wouldnt!

If you aren't seeing results with slin just don't use it!

 

[hankes64]

I would start at 6 IU's and work up from there. When first starting out always over consume carbs until you reach 10 IU's. You can then reduce the carbs and see how you feel.

Thanks bro, good info there!

 

[maldorf]

slin works well for me with AAS but i get the best gains the 1st 4 weeks then gains arent that good and u just put on more fat.

Yeah, I cycle 4 weeks on then 4 weeks off.