Insulin only cycle

[sugashane]

I've done insulin, I regret it. Still trying to get rid of the love handles.QUOTE]

Then your diet was probably poor.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

my training partner has used it in the last 8 months with tremendous gains.

he started out with 6 iu pwo. hes up to 12iu

I am sorry to say this and mean it in the nicest way.

Your friend is stupid starting insulin out at 6iu. Should have started at 1 or 2 and worked his way up. 12iu is also quite high (I have done higher before) and I personally wouldn't recommend going over 7-8 twice a day (once in morning before breakfast and once after working out)

 

[aquatic_glories]

Cardinal slin,
I have remember you saying that you lost about 60% of your gains (kept 40% so 60 lost then) after stopping slin. Are you sure that losing supercompensation the only reason for that??? Because 60% sounds high??

thanks

 

[timtim]

I am sorry to say this and mean it in the nicest way.

Your friend is stupid starting insulin out at 6iu. Should have started at 1 or 2 and worked his way up. 12iu is also quite high (I have done higher before) and I personally wouldn't recommend going over 7-8 twice a day (once in morning before breakfast and once after working out)

from all the research he did, he made the decision to start at 6iu. ive never met nor heard of a person starting lower than 5iu and that is not by any stretch of the truth a high dose at all. i also guess he isnt that stupid if he has never had an hypo issues even doing the doses he did.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Cardinal slin,
I have remember you saying that you lost about 60% of your gains (kept 40% so 60 lost then) after stopping slin. Are you sure that losing supercompensation the only reason for that??? Because 60% sounds high??

thanks

About 60%, I mean there is no absolute way of telling for sure but at a guestimate yeah.

Insulin basically acts as a shuttle for nutrients allowing more for more intake. A lot of this uptake is with carboHYDRATEs thus ensuring a greater amount of water is retained. When you stop using the insulin, the force is not there anymore and slowly that extra water goes. It isn't all water though and some certainly remains considering the percentage of water in the muscle and also that insulin also increases the uptake of protein once broken down.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

from all the research he did, he made the decision to start at 6iu. ive never met nor heard of a person starting lower than 5iu and that is not by any stretch of the truth a high dose at all. i also guess he isnt that stupid if he has never had an hypo issues even doing the doses he did.

When using substances that are potentially dangerous, smartness would normally dictate starting at a lower dose and then tapering up to see how you react to it, the same applies to insulin. Going from 2iu for a first shot up to 10iu or 12iu as he did it would only take 10 days at most and 2-3 at least. No point in starting off with 6, patience is all it takes.

Not a high dose at all, I hope you are not trying to say 12iu is not a high dose.

With insulin there becomes a point by which more is not always better. I mean 20iu is not going to really give you noticeably more benefit than 10iu, if at all.

I know a professional competitor, who is a great guy, he knows what the internet is but doesn't really use it. He shoots test prop every third day, winny every 2nd day and laughed at me when I mentioned to drink the winny. He told me Anabol are used for mental patients and recommended another type of dbol instead. He is not stupid at all and he has won numerous competitions and is very well known. Doesn't mean he is right.

I mean if an 16 year old injected insulin and he didn't go hypo, it doesn't mean he is stupid but it doesn't mean he isn't either.

Personally at my 250 I know fat is more likely an issue when I go above 7-8iu and so don't anymore. I will do that AM and post workout (twice a day).

I am not saying my friend has done this or my friend has done that, I am saying I have done this and I have done that.

Word bro

 

[timtim]

When using substances that are potentially dangerous, smartness would normally dictate starting at a lower dose and then tapering up to see how you react to it, the same applies to insulin. Going from 2iu for a first shot up to 10iu or 12iu as he did it would only take 10 days at most and 2-3 at least. No point in starting off with 6, patience is all it takes.

Not a high dose at all, I hope you are not trying to say 12iu is not a high dose.

With insulin there becomes a point by which more is not always better. I mean 20iu is not going to really give you noticeably more benefit than 10iu, if at all.

I know a professional competitor, who is a great guy, he knows what the internet is but doesn't really use it. He shoots test prop every third day, winny every 2nd day and laughed at me when I mentioned to drink the winny. He told me Anabol are used for mental patients and recommended another type of dbol instead. He is not stupid at all and he has won numerous competitions and is very well known. Doesn't mean he is right.

I mean if an 16 year old injected insulin and he didn't go hypo, it doesn't mean he is stupid but it doesn't mean he isn't either.

Personally at my 250 I know fat is more likely an issue when I go above 7-8iu and so don't anymore. I will do that AM and post workout (twice a day).

I am not saying my friend has done this or my friend has done that, I am saying I have done this and I have done that.

Word bro

i can see your side. definately have a point.

 

[lostinfitness]

the bros here said it best, too much = too short life. don't bother bro, unless you 100% absolutely know what you are doing. By the detail and description in your post, it doesn't seem that way.

LosT

 

[aquatic_glories]

About 60%, I mean there is no absolute way of telling for sure but at a guestimate yeah.

Insulin basically acts as a shuttle for nutrients allowing more for more intake. A lot of this uptake is with carboHYDRATEs thus ensuring a greater amount of water is retained. When you stop using the insulin, the force is not there anymore and slowly that extra water goes. It isn't all water though and some certainly remains considering the percentage of water in the muscle and also that insulin also increases the uptake of protein once broken down.

Bro, how can you compare insulin water gains to AAS water gains?? ARe they similar?? Do you feel much smaller and weaker after that water goes?? But I believe muscle mass is perminant with good training and diet, right??

Thanks

 

[Samson5]

Unless you're competing at a high level of competition, then you and everyone else has no need for it really. Just my honest view on the use of that drug in anyones protocol.