Injection problems

[iamnikvanhelsing]

I've been injecting 4 times a week for about 7 weeks now (Deca) and have started getting problems. Recently I have been getting lumps and small swellings after removing the needle. I've not been doing anything different but I have been using roughly the same injection site, upper outer quadrent in glutes, varying it around by about an inch. Is this normal? I did hit a vessel once which was messy and caused a lump but not recently, there is very little blood if any but just a lump under the surface.

Any comments on this are welcome, cheers guys.

(I just get a bit paranoid when i'm sticking things in myself)!!!

 

[RADAR]

I've been injecting 4 times a week for about 7 weeks now (Deca) and have started getting problems. Recently I have been getting lumps and small swellings after removing the needle. I've not been doing anything different but I have been using roughly the same injection site, upper outer quadrent in glutes, varying it around by about an inch. Is this normal? I did hit a vessel once which was messy and caused a lump but not recently, there is very little blood if any but just a lump under the surface.

Any comments on this are welcome, cheers guys.

(I just get a bit paranoid when i'm sticking things in myself)!!!

Start doing Tri's, Delts and give that area a rest.

RADAR

 

[bigmk]

Start doing Tri's, Delts and give that area a rest.

RADAR

Agreed! Start using other injection sites. Putting that much oil based AS into a single injection site is screaming abcess. I use quads, delts, and glutes, but there are numerous other injections sites you can try for yourself.

 

[Burt Humdinger]

Dude why are you shooting Deca 4 x a week? How many mg are you taking a week?

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Its Norma Hellas 2ml vials, 1ml Nandrolone, I do 2 shots twice a week, so only doing 4ml a week.

Will start using other areas though, probably overdoing it a bit in the glute. Cheers.

 

[Burt Humdinger]

That's crazy just put 2ml in each Barrel and shoot twice a week, Deca has a long half life so no need to shoot EOD.

Are using Proviron as your not taking a Test with it?

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Let me explain, I do put 2ml in each barrel (1 vial in each) and shoot 1 in my left and 1 in my right glute, I do this twice a week. The Norma Hellas are 2ml each but only 1ml is AS hence the number of shots, it would be great if each 2ml actually contained 2ml AS

I am also doing 30mg Dianobol daily.

 

[Burt Humdinger]

Norma Hella is 100mg per ml, so that's 200mg per 2ml vial, so how many vials are you doing a week? To me it looks like you are doing 4 x vials that's 800mg of Deca a week. Or am I not reading it right?

 

[JKurz1]

Does pin size make a difference for Quads??????? Can you risk going too deep?

 

[Burt Humdinger]

Use 1" - 1.5" for quads, as long as you are in muscle and you aspirate you should be fine.

 

[turbogreek]

Let me explain, I do put 2ml in each barrel (1 vial in each) and shoot 1 in my left and 1 in my right glute, I do this twice a week. The Norma Hellas are 2ml each but only 1ml is AS hence the number of shots, it would be great if each 2ml actually contained 2ml AS

I am also doing 30mg Dianobol daily.

bro...if your doing the normas, then 100mg=1ml=1cc. there is no reason to be poking yourself that much, especially if your dooing injections in the butt. 2cc's twice a week is fine in the glutes. it may be too much for spot injects though.

like the guys said...give the glutes some time to recover and use 1mg (or 1cc) on alternating sites (quads and delts. checkk out spotinjections.com for more info). then after a few weeks if you wanna go back to glutes do it the way i stated.

one more question. you say that you're loading 2cc's into each syringe at one time. are you then shooting 1cc into one butt cheek and then taking the pin out and shooting the other cc into the other butt cheek?

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

No, I'm doing 2x2cc's into 2 syringes, 2cc's into left and 2cc's into right so 4 cc's twice a week.
I was told that the Normas contains only 1ml of AS per 2ml vial, is this stupid? Have I been lied to?

So according to you guys i'm actually injecting 800mg a week?
Is this way too much then? I've been doing it for about 6 weeks now.

How would you recommend I finish the cycle then?

A lot of questions i know but you've got me worried now.

I've got about 6 vials left at the mo i think.

I'm also doing 1ml Winstrol Depot EOD in my delts for the next 4 weeks, is this ok?

 

[Burt Humdinger]

That's far too much, I'm guessing this is your first Injection cycle.

Deca you only need to use either 200mg (1vial) - 400mg (2 vials) a week, plus you should really run Test with it. Mate Deca can crash people real bad and it takes ages to re-kick start your HPTA.

So if I was you I'd stop now, wait 3 weeks (after last shot) and run your PCT. If your bollocks have shrunk you may need to run some HCG to get them back.

If after you've run your first PCT and your Test levels or bollocks aren't back to normal then run it again.

 

[Burt Humdinger]

Sorry I should have said you can run your Winny up until the day before your PCT, this will help solidify your gains.

 

[turbogreek]

No, I'm doing 2x2cc's into 2 syringes, 2cc's into left and 2cc's into right so 4 cc's twice a week.
I was told that the Normas contains only 1ml of AS per 2ml vial, is this stupid? Have I been lied to?

So according to you guys i'm actually injecting 800mg a week?
Is this way too much then? I've been doing it for about 6 weeks now.

How would you recommend I finish the cycle then?

A lot of questions i know but you've got me worried now.

I've got about 6 vials left at the mo i think.

I'm also doing 1ml Winstrol Depot EOD in my delts for the next 4 weeks, is this ok?

ok bro...don't worry, no reason to get all shook. 1st off...you need to check out the bottle and read the label thoroughly...fuck everything that your boy who got them for you told you. even if it in another language you should be able to tell the #'s on it. it is very important to know how much you are doing? do you have a digi camera to post a picture?

searching the web i have actually seen deca @50mg/ml. not sure if it was norma though. lemme know if you need more help.

 

[turbogreek]

oh yes, and very important. remember about the pct...like burt said, do the math. figure out how much longer you're gonna be running the deca.. then remember that deca is in your system for 21 days after your last injection. that's when you start the pct. winny is only in for about 24 hours. bottom line is...make sure that you can run the winny until the day before you start your pct

so...you said that you have enough winny for the next 4 weeks? if that is the case i would do the deca for 1 last week and then stop it and run the winny alone for the duration.

dude...are you still running the d-bol? if so stop that now. d-bol can be toxic to the liver and it shouldn't be run for long periods of time.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Ok so i'm not gonna do any more then!

The vials say 2ml Nandrolone Decanoate Norma, I would post pics but I use this message board while i'm at work so I cant upload anything.

I haven't lost any sex drive though and have no problems getting it up and performing, though my balls seem a little smaller than usual its nothing dramatic.

So what PCT would you recommend?

This is my second injecting cycle by the way, my first was 2ml deca 2ml sust once a week for 2 weeks then twice a week for 4 weeks then supposed to go back to once a week for 2 weeks but I came off after 4 weeks cos the sust was sending me crazy! This is why I was only running the Deca this time, with the 30mg Dbol daily.

So anyway, I'm not gonna stick any more in me this cycle then apart from the Winny, this is ok at 1ml EOD i assume for the next 3 weeks until I PCT?

Cheers for all your help guys, people could really fuck themselves up without help and advice from you lot.

Again what PCT should I run in 3 weeks?

 

[Burt Humdinger]

If you get on with Clomid I'd run 300mg Day 1, then 100mg for 13 days & then 50mg for 13 days.

I do this but only if I run Deca otherwise it would just be 300mg first day then 100mg 10 days and 50mg next 10 days.

Keep running the winny.

Hope all goes well keep us updated.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Well i've never used clomid so i wouldn't know if i get on with it. Do I need to test my reaction with it first? If so how would I do that?

I feel i've been told a load of shit by my guy, seems he knows nothing, I could of fucked myself right up on his advice!

Thanks again. I stopped the Dbol last friday by the way, shame though it makes you strong as an Ox!!

Will let you know how I get on anyway, cheers.

 

[turbogreek]

no reason to check yourself out on clomid. i've never heard of reactions on clomid. in the past this is how i ran clomid for a deca only cycle:

300mg/day for the 1st day
200mg/day for the 2nd day
100mg/day for the next 10 days
50mg/day for the last 10 days

*for the first 2 days i split them up. 300/day i do 100mg/3 times a day and for the 200/day dose i go 2 times a day. the 100 and 50 can be done all at once.

I love deca but it fucks with my balls bad even at low dosages. hope your boys are ok. best of luck bro. by the way...what are your stats and how much weight have you put on so far?

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Well its a funny thing. You see all through this cycle i've been doing 30 min on a cross trainer after each session and also taking Sida Cordafolia daily for fat loss. Now I started off at 83kg, then lost a load of body fat early on and dropped to 80kg. Now i've continued with the cardio and Sida Cordafolia and am now up to 83.1kg but looking visibly bigger and more cut than when I started. So I reckon i've probably put on about 6kg of lean mass during the cycle, i've had no water retention problems at all either.

So i've ended up the same weight as when I started!! Just lookin loads better!!

I'm 5'10", 83.1kg, arms are about 15.1" cold, 42" chest and my legs I don't know!! Need to work more on my chest though.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

By the way, I know i'm not exactly "big" but when I started a year ago I was only 64kg. Now I know I shouldn't use AS after only been training properly for a year but i'm 26 years old and extremely impatient. I made some great gains in that year naturally, over 12kg but then it slowed and I new I had access to AS so I made the decision and went for it.

My first cycle was a mild test/deca but came off after 4 weeks because the test fucked with my mind! So I hardcore trained naturally again for a couple of months and decided to do the deca/dbol/winny cycle for moderate hard gains. This has worked pretty good and i'm quite happy.

Now I'm coming off this cycle due to seriously, but unknowingly, over doing the deca but have a plan in mind. I will do my PCT wait a couple of months then do a Virormone/Winny Depot cycle. What about that? U see I can hopefully control test prop better as its fast in/out so hopefully won't get the same prolonged madness I got from Sust!

But tell me what u think, u guys are the pro's on this shit! I just want decent lean hard gains that dont come on too rapid, quality over quantity.

Your views?

 

[turbogreek]

yo bro...you seem like you're doing fine. don't worry about the dosages either...even if you were doing 800mg deca...it's not unheard of. you're one of the lucky bastards too that hasn't had many sides either (how you didnt even retain water on d-bol is beond me) god bless you. just remember. no need to shoot deca more than 2 times a week. and research, research, research. they don't call the net the information superhighway for nothing.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Cheers my friend, you are a what we call a "Diamond Geezer" over here. Honest friendly advice is always welcome. Some of the guys on these boards just flame you and call you crazy if you don't run they're cycles the way they do it, as you know these things aren't the same for everyone.

With regards to me not getting sides off this shit it is quite remarkable isn't it!!! The only thing that really got me was the Sust! I looked like a right fat fuck in my face and the adrenalin burn in my stomach was untrue! I was exploding at people for nothing, getting furious with my girlfriend if she didn't want sex that night, man it was awful. I even started smoking to try calm down, not good.
But yeah, I have no water retention at all, no sign of Deca dick, I just feel good all the time, strong as fuck in the gym and look nicely cut!! Still have a great sex drive also.
To be honest though I don't feel I have gained as much as I expected to on this cycle, maybe thats because the Norma Hellas gear is reported to be less than brilliant though? Who knows!

Well I'll finish off my Winny (5 boxes of 3x1ml Zambon) and do that PCT you recommended and let you know how it goes.
Do you think I should still see some decent gains over the next few weeks then? Hope so!!

Again, thanks for everything, I know I can ramble on a bit but hell i'm new to this game so i'm still excited! Cheers.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

One other thing. Should I be rotating where I stick the Winny? Like delts then tri's then biceps etc? would be helpful to know as i've already done 2 in one delt and 3 in the other! Cheers.

 

[turbogreek]

well thank you very much bro...it's my pleasure to help out others the same way guys helped me when i 1st started. the zambons will harden everything up and make you a lot more vascular. it'll basically complement everything that you have already gained. and yes...hit all the muscle groups. being that it isn't oil don't be scared to get to whatever muscles needed and alternate sides. once again check out this website...www.spotinjections.com. it's the best informative site for injections with pictures of all the procedures. and again...best of luck bro.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

My man!!