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Big Johnson
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Anyone else tried this. I remember some cat who use to post here swore by it.
Injecting DMSO
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Big Johnson
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Garlic smell? What about flogel?
Sigmund Roid
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccchhhhhhhh!
liftsiron
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buffdoc I've given it IV on accassion in my clinic; everybody hates it because the stink in the office is SO bad, and then the smell literally radiates off the person wherever they go for a day or two. Nasty!
Buffdoc
Unless your clinic is a vet clinic, your breaking the law, DMSO is not approved for administration to humams. Why would you give an IV of DMSO to anyone anyway?
Buffdoc
Unless your clinic is a vet clinic, your breaking the law, DMSO is not approved for administration to humams. Why would you give an IV of DMSO to anyone anyway?
RdStrcklnd
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Yeah, I call BS on Buffdocs post as well. I hope he was just joking. And no, I would never even think about injecting DMSO.
juniorgearhead
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Whats the point? Even if it was sage, what benifit would possibley come from it. i just load icc-1oomg ed and stick that bad boy, my heffers are some big boys, and they wont leave the neighbors cows alone
40butpumpin
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DMSO's claim to fame, if it is one, is that it will pass right through your skin and into your body and transport anything else possible along with it. So why would you want to bother injecting it, that makes no sense at all. An IV of it makes no sense at all to me either.
strengthfiend
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I recently started injecting dmso sub-q around my knee. I haven't had pain in six days. The last two years have been limiting, so I was willing to try it. I injected about a 4/10's of a cc with a 22 gauge inch and a half, and within 2 hours it was feeling 70% better. I am using slin pins now with better results. Also I run it through a syringe filter first.
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Big Johnson
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40butpumpin said:
You're a bright one, eh?
40butpumpin
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Big Johnson said:
So what's your problem? You're talking about injecting DMSO and you say I'm not bright. LMAO! That's right rubbing it on your skin locally, or otherwise, IS NO different than injecting it because of how it will penetrate your skin. Anyone who knows anything about DMSO knows that. So before you go attempting to insult me do some homework.
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liftsiron
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So what's your problem? You're talking about injecting DMSO and you say I'm not bright. LMAO! That's right rubbing it on your skin locally, or otherwise, IS NO different than injecting it because of how it will penetrate your skin. Anyone who knows anything about DMSO knows that. So before you go attempting to insult me do some homework.
Anyone that injects DMSO, is a little goofy, you rub it on the skin and instantly you get the taste in your mouth. To me this is evidence that it rapidly absorbs into the skin and passes into the blood stream.
Some "alternative treatment clinics" seem to be using it to treat Rheumatoid arthritis and even cancer.
There seems to be quite a lot of evidence that DMSO is effective in treating rheumatoid arthritis, I personaly believe that it works well for many problems associated with our sport. I also am aware of various methods of administration in european and US medical schools for systemic treatment. I'm just offering a word of caution to those self injecting dmso. I also have issue with buffdoc saying that he adminsters it to patients IV, I would like to hear a detailed explanation. For all intents and purposes DMSO rubbed into the affected area will work as well as injection, maybe better. In the past I have pulverised asprin and mixed it with the DMSO when I have experienced shoulder pain, I rub it on my dhoulder and it really seems to wrok much better than DMSO alone.
Anyone that injects DMSO, is a little goofy, you rub it on the skin and instantly you get the taste in your mouth. To me this is evidence that it rapidly absorbs into the skin and passes into the blood stream.
Some "alternative treatment clinics" seem to be using it to treat Rheumatoid arthritis and even cancer.
There seems to be quite a lot of evidence that DMSO is effective in treating rheumatoid arthritis, I personaly believe that it works well for many problems associated with our sport. I also am aware of various methods of administration in european and US medical schools for systemic treatment. I'm just offering a word of caution to those self injecting dmso. I also have issue with buffdoc saying that he adminsters it to patients IV, I would like to hear a detailed explanation. For all intents and purposes DMSO rubbed into the affected area will work as well as injection, maybe better. In the past I have pulverised asprin and mixed it with the DMSO when I have experienced shoulder pain, I rub it on my dhoulder and it really seems to wrok much better than DMSO alone.
Big Johnson
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40butpumpin said:
It was an observation, not an insult.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a solvent for all your powdered medications that you can inject, rather than having to rub it on and cover with plastic wrap?
Also, when injected, blood serum levels of tren are much higher than when applied using DMSO. I guess that means injecting is the best way to go. Oh, but too bad we need a kit to make tren pellets injectable.
WAIT A MINUTE (light bulb goes off)!
What if I mixed my powdered pellets in DMSO and then injected the DMSO after running it through a syringe filter? Hmmm...
Tard.
40butpumpin
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Big Johnson said:
"Tard."
Yeah, I'm retarded, wow, you figured me out.You're right, you really are. Let's see here, you take your powdered pellets, toxins and all, mix it some with DMSO and inject it into your body. Then you sit back and feel the sensation of DMSO carrying the toxins to every last cell in your body.
Just out of curiosity, what wattage light bulb was that that went off in your head?
Big Johnson
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40butpumpin said:
Toxins? Are you refering to cellulose binders? If so, cellulose is exctreted without being metabolized. Its a very large molecule and is easily dispelled. If it was so "toxic," the cows that are slaughtered given the implants would have significant levels of cellulose "toxins" present in their cells. So, if one were a thinking man, he might at this point deduce beef is "toxic," following your line of thought. Yet this is not the case.
Next time you get a splinter, think about all those "toxins" coursing through your veins, being carried to every cell in your body.
Oh, and make sure you don't inhale any sawdust when you do any sanding. Yep, "toxins."
40butpumpin
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Big Johnson said:
You're just too smart for me so I really have no business even speaking with you. I'm just not a thinking man as you are.
Big Johnson
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And wasn't you point that DMSO carries chemicals through the dermal layer, anyway? Wouldn't this also carry the "toxins" into your body? Granted, injection has a bioavailability of about 95%, compared to DMSO's 80% when administered dermally, but that's exactly why I propose injecting it. An increase in bioavailable trenbalone acetate.
Dude, drop it. If you come at someone with an attitude and you don't know what you are talking about, you are going to end up looking stupid the majority of the time.
And, for your information, the amount of newton-meters per second is 155.
Dude, drop it. If you come at someone with an attitude and you don't know what you are talking about, you are going to end up looking stupid the majority of the time.
And, for your information, the amount of newton-meters per second is 155.
40butpumpin
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Big Johnson said:
Wow, you really are brilliant.
155, eh? Gee wiz, I'm so impressed.
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40butpumpin said:
OK, now that you guys have finished dissing each other... No, mine was not a bullshit post, nor was I joking, nor am I breaking the law. (Funny assertion on a board dedicated to anabolic steroid use, but anyway).
DMSO is available in a sterile, intravenous form from pharmacies; it is used by MD's as an off-label use, completely legal. Used for pain and a number of other disease states. Remember that as good a solvent or carrier as DMSO is at the skin, it also is at the tissue level and at the cell membrane. Think: cellular detoxification. It can also be injected into gums and around teeth to assist in mercury and other heavy metal detox.
There's a doc in Oregon, I believe, Dr. Jacob, maybe, who has literally written the book on DMSO, and also IV MSM, which, as I'm SURE ya'll know, is a derivative of DMSO. Think: joint health.
Some of us like to think outside the box. It helps our patients, which is not always utmost in the minds of the AMA and the Medical Boards.
Regards,
buffdoc (crazed injector of veterinary gels
DMSO is available in a sterile, intravenous form from pharmacies; it is used by MD's as an off-label use, completely legal. Used for pain and a number of other disease states. Remember that as good a solvent or carrier as DMSO is at the skin, it also is at the tissue level and at the cell membrane. Think: cellular detoxification. It can also be injected into gums and around teeth to assist in mercury and other heavy metal detox.
There's a doc in Oregon, I believe, Dr. Jacob, maybe, who has literally written the book on DMSO, and also IV MSM, which, as I'm SURE ya'll know, is a derivative of DMSO. Think: joint health.
Some of us like to think outside the box. It helps our patients, which is not always utmost in the minds of the AMA and the Medical Boards.
Regards,
buffdoc (crazed injector of veterinary gels
40butpumpin
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Hey buffdoc, sorry to change gears on you here but have you ever heard of ACE (Adrenal Cortical Extract)? I mean the real deal not the bs floating around now. Is that obtainable legal or otherwise that you know of?
Thanks.
Thanks.
SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY
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I can't imagine injecting that shit into me.
40butpumpin said:
Yes, it was used quite a bit in medicine several decades ago for adrenal fatigue and asthenic syndromes. FDA came down on it fairly recently. Hard to import. Can't prescribe it here.
there are oral adrenal extracts on the emarket used for levels of adrenal "exhaustion" that aren't as severe as Addison's disease. These may be useful in folks who are over stressed (including BB's) they supposedly "rest" the adrenals, and levels of cortisol are physiologic.
buffdoc
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buffy the doc slayer:
DAMN its cool having an MD on the board. What about injecting flogel?
http://www.allp.com/FloGel/fg_ovr.htm
It sounds safe.
And, on a side note, I just swallowed a Nestle Kiss paper strip! HELP.
DAMN its cool having an MD on the board. What about injecting flogel?
http://www.allp.com/FloGel/fg_ovr.htm
It sounds safe.
And, on a side note, I just swallowed a Nestle Kiss paper strip! HELP.
I'd like to add that a co-workers grandmother had severe arthritis.
She was in a wheelchair. Her local doctors (Louisiana) couldn't seem to improve the mobility in her knees. She went to a clinic in Mexico and had DMSO IV. After a few hours she walked out of the clinic. So now she gets the DMSO tabs prescribed by this same doc in Mexico because he's the only one who makes them.
And she gets around without the wheelchair.
She was in a wheelchair. Her local doctors (Louisiana) couldn't seem to improve the mobility in her knees. She went to a clinic in Mexico and had DMSO IV. After a few hours she walked out of the clinic. So now she gets the DMSO tabs prescribed by this same doc in Mexico because he's the only one who makes them.
And she gets around without the wheelchair.
40butpumpin
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buffdoc said:Think: cellular detoxification. It can also be injected into gums and around teeth to assist in mercury and other heavy metal detox.
Think: joint health.
Some of us like to think outside the box. It helps our patients, which is not always utmost in the minds of the AMA and the Medical Boards.
buffdoc (crazed injector of veterinary gels
First of all, can DMSO chelate mercury out of the body? Can it attach itself to the mercury and allow it to pass through and out of the body in a non-toxic state? Or at the very least render it completely non-toxic? If it cannot it is only making the problem worse by dispersing it even more in the body, perhaps into the brain. If it can I'd appreciate seeing or hearing about some studies that show it can do this. Also are there any tests that prove that it is indeed removing mercury from the body as with EDTA and DMSA? Finally, does ACAM know about its effectiveness using it this way?
Joint health. How is injecting it or IV any different than a dermal application for joint problems considering its ability to pass right through the skin? I'm sorry I don't get this one and probably never will. This just sounds to me like a way for doc's to make money.
There's your response buffdoc.
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liftsiron
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buffdoc Bump! for responses from liftsiron , 40butpumpin, et al. Give it up, oh ye of little faith!
I took the holiday off from posting. buffdoc your post on how and why you administer DMSO IV clears things up. There are so many bullshit posts on these boards, often it is impossible to sort through what is trash and what is not. Thank you sir, for your more detailled response.
I took the holiday off from posting. buffdoc your post on how and why you administer DMSO IV clears things up. There are so many bullshit posts on these boards, often it is impossible to sort through what is trash and what is not. Thank you sir, for your more detailled response.
strengthfiend
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I would say to anyone thinking about trying it, to make sure they run it through a syringe filter, and use a small amount the first time ie 1/10 of CC, and go from there. I have used both type of administration now and sub-q is much better. I would rather a quick burst of pain(sub-q) than burn my leg off with topical application.
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40butpumpin:
To finish my response. Are you a doc? If so, let on so I know we're on the same page and can discourse. As it is, there seem to be many things you don't understand about the pharmacophysiology here. It is complex and not I will not supply you w/ abstacts and papers; the research is out there.
Yes, many, many ACAM docs have and do use IV DMSO. How is it different from topical? Well, ask yourself what sort of blood levels each technique produces? Wide disparity.
Also, if you wish to intellectually "cross swords" w/ me, that's fine. But please go back and read my posts more carefully. As w/ the mercury issue, your comments about joint health were off. I said MSM (DMSO derivative) was known for helping joints as well; it's essentially worthless topically.
As for IV DMSO (which I use rarely) being a ruse for docs to make $$ and nothing else, well, I can't disabuse you of your attitude. But you could say the same thing about Vit. C, magnesium, EDTA, B12, amino acids, or morphine sulfate, for that matter. Parenteral administration is almost always more immediate and more effective than oral/topical, regardless of what you "know" about DMSO.
Regards,
buffdoc
To finish my response. Are you a doc? If so, let on so I know we're on the same page and can discourse. As it is, there seem to be many things you don't understand about the pharmacophysiology here. It is complex and not I will not supply you w/ abstacts and papers; the research is out there.
Yes, many, many ACAM docs have and do use IV DMSO. How is it different from topical? Well, ask yourself what sort of blood levels each technique produces? Wide disparity.
Also, if you wish to intellectually "cross swords" w/ me, that's fine. But please go back and read my posts more carefully. As w/ the mercury issue, your comments about joint health were off. I said MSM (DMSO derivative) was known for helping joints as well; it's essentially worthless topically.
As for IV DMSO (which I use rarely) being a ruse for docs to make $$ and nothing else, well, I can't disabuse you of your attitude. But you could say the same thing about Vit. C, magnesium, EDTA, B12, amino acids, or morphine sulfate, for that matter. Parenteral administration is almost always more immediate and more effective than oral/topical, regardless of what you "know" about DMSO.
Regards,
buffdoc
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Buff,
What I'm really looking for is a solvent of trenbalone acetate that can be safely injected; without the expense and hassle of buying a kit. I'm very protective of my cows.
What I'm really looking for is a solvent of trenbalone acetate that can be safely injected; without the expense and hassle of buying a kit. I'm very protective of my cows.
40butpumpin
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buffdoc said:
You're right I missed your MSM comment, I thought I read someone saying IV was used for joint problems. I didn't read your post carefully after all so apologies for that.
As far as 'intellectually' crossing swords with you, I never doubted your being an MD and have no wild ideas of having more knowledge of the subject or access to the most current treatment protocols than you. You asked for a response from me, I had those questions in my mind, so I responded. Did you see how many question marks were in the post you are referring to? If you go back and look nearly every sentence is a question. So it was definitely not an intellectual challenge.
Anyway, I know three docs personally and have spoken to numerous others over the years who practice alternative medicine on various topics including chelation and also dmso. In all of that I've never heard of, or even read about for that matter, the IV use of DMSO nor a need for DMSO in any other type of application other than a local one. However, if you say there is one I take your word for it, no problem there. But this has sparked my interest quite a bit as I try to keep current in this area, especially the chelation aspect for both CVD and Hg detox. So I guess I'll have to get on with some more research and no doubt follow up.
Finally as far as my 'attitude' goes, I don't feel it was an attitude as much as it was an opinion based on experience, albeit not with IV use of DMSO.
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Sigmund Roid
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40butpumpin said:
ALA does a great job to chelate mercury, arsenic etc. However, it does not bind to lead.
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Why not just use the pharmaceutical approach and use the same thing big companies use with test, a combination of benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, and sesame oil or cottonseed oil? All of these chems are available cheaply and the method is widely known and promoted(do an internet search)
jb
QUOTE]Originally posted by Big Johnson
Buff,
What I'm really looking for is a solvent of trenbalone acetate that can be safely injected; without the expense and hassle of buying a kit. I'm very protective of my cows.
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Why not just use the pharmaceutical approach and use the same thing big companies use with test, a combination of benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, and sesame oil or cottonseed oil? All of these chems are available cheaply and the method is widely known and promoted(do an internet search)
jb
QUOTE]Originally posted by Big Johnson
Buff,
What I'm really looking for is a solvent of trenbalone acetate that can be safely injected; without the expense and hassle of buying a kit. I'm very protective of my cows.
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Big Johnson
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jboldman said:
Good idea, bro. Thanks for the response. Unfortunately for me, benzyl alcohol occasionally creates very painful inflamation at the injection site.
However, it sounds like injecting DMSO and flogel are safe enough for me to attempt. I'll let all of you know how it goes.
Finally as far as my 'attitude' goes, I don't feel it was an attitude as much as it was an opinion based on experience, albeit not with IV use of DMSO. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey bro,
No hard feelings at all. I think one of the things ACAM has given short shrift over the years is the issue of IV DMSO, MSM, etc. THey are useful agents which could be more widely used (esp MSM, since there's no stink factor!)
The only thing you said that got my hackles up was about docs using it as a way to make $$ only. Those of us who do any "alternative" or complementary medicine have to deal w/ these attitudes enough, and it makes us a tad paranoid. (I'm doing well to make payroll every 2 weeks!)
Seriously, check out Dr. Jacobs (?) on IV DMSO/MSM, he's da man on that. Had a stroke recently, but he's soldiering on.
buffdoc
Hey bro,
No hard feelings at all. I think one of the things ACAM has given short shrift over the years is the issue of IV DMSO, MSM, etc. THey are useful agents which could be more widely used (esp MSM, since there's no stink factor!)
The only thing you said that got my hackles up was about docs using it as a way to make $$ only. Those of us who do any "alternative" or complementary medicine have to deal w/ these attitudes enough, and it makes us a tad paranoid. (I'm doing well to make payroll every 2 weeks!)
Seriously, check out Dr. Jacobs (?) on IV DMSO/MSM, he's da man on that. Had a stroke recently, but he's soldiering on.
buffdoc
OK, just be aware of my original post , i believe that injecting dmso will lead to scar tissue buildup far faster than using oil based. Also, be prepared for the pain, it will hurt to inject dmso.
Check your pm's for a company that sells usp grade dmso.
jb
Check your pm's for a company that sells usp grade dmso.
jb
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40butpumpin
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Sounds good, buffdoc. I didn't mean to be insulting to you personally so it looks like I need to be more careful how I say things moving forward. Again, apologies. Thanks for the info on Dr. Jacobs, I'll see what I can find.
Big Johnson, I wish you would have made clear in your original post what your ideas/concerns were, however, I still say that by injecting DMSO you're putting yourself at more risk than not, especially with pellets. I personally know of bro's who've had serious reactions from home-brew which did not have the same reaction from tren made directly from TA powder. That tells me that there's some kind of toxin in there that injected DMSO will only serve to aid in penetrating your system even more efficiently.
But this thread has been all over the place and I'm in large part responsible so I'll shut up now. Sorry to everyone reading my posts.
Peace and good cheer to all.
Big Johnson
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40butpumpin said:Big Johnson, I wish you would have made clear in your original post what your ideas/concerns were, however, I still say that by injecting DMSO you're putting yourself at more risk than not, especially with pellets. I personally know of bro's who've had serious reactions from home-brew which did not have the same reaction from tren made directly from TA powder. That tells me that there's some kind of toxin in there that injected DMSO will only serve to aid in penetrating your system even more efficiently.
But this thread has been all over the place and I'm in large part responsible so I'll shut up now. Sorry to everyone reading my posts.
Peace and good cheer to all.
Its all good, Homey. I enjoy a good debate. Sorry for calling you a tard. Its obvious from your last post you aren't. Old maybe, but not retarded.
JUST KIDDING!
Actually, the 'flow-gel' I was thinking of is called, "Phlojel." I think a syringe filter is a must, however.
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