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In your opinion what will save the world?

OMEGA

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for me the answer is clean energy.

we have it and in unlimited supply

here in Cali at the Luarance Livermore Labs we have one of the best particle accelleraters in the world.

the colliding of Atoms , creating new isotopes, and studying old ones is what they do.

however..............we have been

fusing atoms (fusion)in the collisions rather then destroying them..............(fission)

now fission creates a lot of energy, but alot of waste, n the form of radioactive particles and the like.

and the exposion is only moderatly effecient. which means alot of potential energy is wasted.

fusion however has realtively little waste and is hundreds of percent more effeint than fusion.

the fule for fusion are isotopes ( variations of Hydrogen)

duetiriam

and

tridium

respectavily.

these 2 isotopes are spontaniuosly created when cosmic rays bombard the atmosphere and change noraml hydrogen atoms.

so we always have a constant supply.

the isotopes of hydrogen are collected in the sea water.

when refined one solitary pebble the size of a dime when put through the reaction gives enough output to power the whole North American Continant for one second

yep that is right no exageration

however the only problem is sustaining that reaction.

we do not have the gravitational containment feild to sustain or cradle such a reaction..............our electro magnets can only sustain this field for a fraction of a secon.

but in that fraction of a second....................look what we did!!!!!!!!

the energy supply will always be in the sea

we have the technology.............all we need is the last piece of the puzzle which is containment.

I hope this made you feel better..............you see technology is doing some great things,a nd I think that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for human civilization................I think we have it in us to succeed.



OMEGA:)
 
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nothing will, the earth has always saved itself, its called evolution :) like the killing off of the dinosaurs after a certain amount of time the earth just destroys everything and starts fresh after an ice age ....
 
I think a worldwide Ice Capades tour featuring Happy Scrappy would save the world. Ice Skating, Happy Scrappy, and herion. That will save the world!!!!!!!!!!!

My Nobel Prize awaits!!

That or worldwide reruns of Perfect Strangers. Oh that Balki and his schenanigans.
 
OMEGA said:
for me the answer is clean energy.

we have it and in unlimited supply

here in Cali at the Luarance Livermore Labs we have one of the best particle accelleraters in the world.

the colliding of Atoms , creating new isotopes, and studying old ones is what they do.

however..............we have been

fusing atoms (fusion)in the collisions rather then destroying them..............(fission)

now fission creates a lot of energy, but alot of waste, n the form of radioactive particles and the like.

and the exposion is only moderatly effecient. which means alot of potential energy is wasted.

fusion however has realtively little waste and is hundreds of percent more effeint than fusion.

the fule for fusion are isotopes ( variations of Hydrogen)

duetiriam

and

tridium

respectavily.

these 2 isotopes are spontaniuosly created when cosmic rays bombard the atmosphere and change noraml hydrogen atoms.

so we always have a constant supply.

the isotopes of hydrogen are collected in the sea water.

when refined one solitary pebble the size of a dime when put through the reaction gives enough output to power the whole North American Continant for one second

yep that is right no exageration

however the only problem is sustaining that reaction.

we do not have the gravitational containment feild to sustain or cradle such a reaction..............our electro magnets can only sustain this field for a fraction of a secon.

but in that fraction of a second....................look what we did!!!!!!!!

the energy supply will always be in the sea

we have the technology.............all we need is the last piece of the puzzle which is containment.

I hope this made you feel better..............you see technology is doing some great things,a nd I think that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for human civilization................I think we have it in us to succeed.



OMEGA:)


WHY YOU WRITE SO RONG??!!! *YAWN TIRED* MY EYES NO SEE SO BIG...ONRY HALF....
 
omega, what about us? nothing can save us from our selves and from nature, and we will never see it in our lifetimes, it is something which happens over millions of years, and by then the sun will explode and consume the universe like astronomers have been predicting for years....
 
If by the world, you mean humanity, I'd have to say that colonizing space is the only long term hope.

Energy, Food, Water, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Pollution, Over-population. Too many problems to list. Endless room for expansion is the only answer.
 
OMEGA,

It's your turn to save the world. Didn't you get the memo??? ;) ;)


What happened to the poll threads? I haven't seen any lately.
 
starfish said:
OMEGA,

It's your turn to save the world. Didn't you get the memo??? ;) ;)


What happened to the poll threads? I haven't seen any lately.

they were distracted by your avatar.

I know just babble, and eat apple sauce and sport a winnie the poo bib,

thanks spoon feeding time!!!!!!!!!:)
 
clean energy, provided it was availible to the whole world. most likely it would be withheld to some country and a war would start :mix:
 
tomlays said:

You're kidding right? The notion of "god" has created more war and strife than any other thing. I think our only hope is to give up the notion of god and strive to improve ourselves for the sake of itself, not so we can suck up to a deity that holds us in contempt for being imperfect in order to have the honor of worshipping him for eternity.
 
for

Sponge
....................

well the process of fusion is creative by nature............not destructive.

so when the hydrogen is put into the fusion chamber a massive amount of energy is created to form a more massive nuclei
with a simultaneous realease of energy.

so the product of this you may ask?

the variuos isotopes of hydrogen tridium and dueterium form into








.............helium ...................go blow up some balloons for the party Sponge


:arty:

Nature will bring the punch:)
 
Nothing short of a total change in philosophy on the part of mankind. We tend to look for instant gratification and imediate rewards without thinking about the future consequences of our actions.
 
frorider6 said:


You're kidding right? The notion of "god" has created more war and strife than any other thing. I think our only hope is to give up the notion of god and strive to improve ourselves for the sake of itself, not so we can suck up to a deity that holds us in contempt for being imperfect in order to have the honor of worshipping him for eternity.


agreed.


Unless God were to show himself. But that won't happen. He's too busy doing stuff.
 
big4life said:
Nothing short of a total change in philosophy on the part of mankind. We tend to look for instant gratification and imediate rewards without thinking about the future consequences of our actions.

I think this is correct. I think there has to be some kind of event or discovery that expands human consiousness or human intellect. Humans must lose their animal like nature, and the notion of states and borders. Once humanity can view the world as a whole, and not as many differing nations, only then can we truly advance as a society.
 
big4life said:
Nothing short of a total change in philosophy on the part of mankind. We tend to look for instant gratification and imediate rewards without thinking about the future consequences of our actions.

totally true.

it's already happening in the fringes of science........called "systems theory"

for an intro on the subject......rent

"Mind WalK"

back drop is France, with the main characters

being a cinic poet.

a

optimistic US politician

and

a Physicist

good intro to a new paradigm of thinking

books on systems theory exisct, but if your not handy with science jargon, and don't have a science dictionary on hand you mat get a head ache
 
LiL' chicken wing

you know what????






























chicken butt:moon:

actually some say if everyone were just loved...that we would all be happy......i guess puppies can do that.






iceman your are a closet optimist
 
frorider6 said:


You're kidding right? The notion of "god" has created more war and strife than any other thing. I think our only hope is to give up the notion of god and strive to improve ourselves for the sake of itself, not so we can suck up to a deity that holds us in contempt for being imperfect in order to have the honor of worshipping him for eternity.


true, very true. the belief in God is probably just some trick implanted in our brain to service evolution anyway.

for me, science is the answer.

http://www.hedweb.com/

as Carl Sagan once said 'more lives have been saved in this century (20th) by medicine than have been killed in all wars'.
 
Great post Omega!

Yes, fusion power is an essential technological advancement that has the *potential* to save millions of human lives.

Why does fusion power represent a *potential* method for saving millions of human lives? Ultimately, as many members have posted, it is the responsibility of the individual to practice generosity, kindness, and goodwill.

G-7 nations are the only countries that possess the scientific knowledge, hardware sophistication, and financial and human resources required to build, operate, and maintain, massive particle accelerators and fusion plants.

This means G-7 members will be the first countries to successfully create and sustain a viable fusion reaction. Now comes political science. If information describing theory, blue prints, hardware, and operational instructions required for building, maintaining, and operating a fusion plant are publicly disseminated, the following scenarios could occur:

a) the public dissemination of knowledge instructing how to build, maintain, and operate a fusion plant could be obtained by "rouge" nations whose ideologies aren’t conducive with US foreign political objectives. Free energy means any city, state, or nation has the ability to reduce energy costs to near zero, thereby taking advantage of the *massive* costs savings incurred from forgone oil, gas, and green energy expenditures --- and investing it in other government institutions...be it military, infrastructure, ect.....we are talking billions-trillions of US dollars. With private energy expenditure dropping near zero, business booms, which creates a massive increase in private and corporate tax revenues, in addition to significant energy cost savings experienced by government institutions......which all translates to increased financial resources available for infrastructure, academia, and more important, military expenditure.

Any significant Rouge nation military buildup, represents a significant threat to US interests, and destabilizes existing global geopolitical balance.


b) Mass public dissemination of fusion power would upset our petroleum based economy. Every business requires energy. The majority of transportation systems and manufacturing facilities run on petroleum derivatives. When oil no longer becomes the primary fuel on which the global economy runs, there is a resulting massive shift in the global balance of power.

Why?

The answer lies in economics.

Countries who draw electricity from operational fusion plants would have the ability to become self sufficient in almost every sense of the word. Think about it for a second. Sub-Saharan Africa could be turned into an oasis growing every type of crop, imaginable under the sun. How?? Free energy.....free energy to run the desalination and water purification plants, free energy to pump billions of gallons of purified water thousands of miles to irrigate millions of hectors of land for argiculture and animal ranching, free energy to run agricultural equipment and agriculture processing facilities, free energy to fuel agricultural/animal transports from super farms to seaports...

What does this mean?

The standard of living enjoyed by citizens of developed countries is supported, in large part, by global exports. Globalization of trade has created enormous wealth for nations exporting advanced technological products unavailable in developing countries. When developing countries have the ability to become net exporters of agricultural goods, agriculture imports from developed nations drop, and the net wealth of poorer nations increase, due to agricultural and meat product alternatives provided by domestic sources. Developing nations would enjoy a steady increase in domestic economic strength due to massive commodity exports and minimal agricultural/meat/energy imports, which generates, indirectly, a government budget surplus. A Foreign government budget surplus *could* be allocated to securing technologies that further reduce domestic dependency on foreign exports. Foreign government procurement of automotive engineering technologies, metalworking technologies, aircraft construction technologies, and telecommunication technologies from nations like China and Russia become options. *If* developing nations possessing operational fusion power facilities chose to adopt an export based economy, which any nation would, the government would secure metal working technologies, automotive engineering technologies, aircraft construction technologies, and robotic engineering technologies that would eventually reduce *massive* import expenditures on foreign capital equipment.......

What happens when developing countries economies become increasingly self-sustainable?

Imports drop. 1st World exports to 3rd World countries drop.

What happens when developing countries exports drop substantially?

Massive domestic and international corporate downsizing occurs, which leads to widespread, inter-industry, domestic and global job layoffs. Decreased government expenditure on social services occurs, due to decreased tax revenues collected; which equates to the creation of domestic civilian unrest. And most importantly: decreased tax revenues reduce funding to military and intelligence institutions.

The broad dissemination of fusion power technology represents a significant and massive threat to existing national security objectives held by developed nations. When domestic government tax revenues are significantly reduced by increased foreign economic self-sufficiency, increased domestic government expenditure on military and intelligence institutions cannot be maintained.

US Military and Intelligence Institutions play a critical part in protecting the integrity of the domestic and global economy. Intelligence information prompts military action against foreign and domestic targets that threaten the efficient operation of the domestic economic machine and the economies of major trading partners.

Why?

Because any countries National Security ultimately rests in one thing: the efficient operation of the nations economic engine.

Without tax revenues generated from the proliferation of commercial enterprises, the national security of any state is weakened by the associated decrease in tax revenues available to finance National Defense Institutions. The primary purpose of the intelligence and military community, is to detect and subvert, domestic and foreign entities that threaten the efficient operation of the ruling government and the domestic economy, either directly or indirectly, and the asscoiated economies of its major trading partners. Contrary to popular belief, National Defense Institutions are meant to perpetuate the sovereign rule of the nation-state. Civilian protection is secondary in importance.

The relationship between domestic economic performance and national security objectives is a positive feedback loop:

1) domestic economy

generates

2) government tax revenues

enables

3) increased military and intelligence spending

used for

4) identifying, preventing, and "quelling" regional and global conflicts that threaten "National Security" = "Economic Security"

identifying, preventing, and quelling regional and global conflicts ensures the efficient operation of the "shared" economy and enables increased domestic corporate access to foreign markets

which causes

1) increasing domestic economy size

generates

2) increasing tax revenues (cycle continues indefinitely)

Why is this happening?

Your government and mine, are concerned primarily with ensuring control over domestic and foreign interests. Increasing domestic economic influence ensures the perpetuation of the existing nation state by creating a tax revenue surplus, relative to other nations, that can be allocated to further military and intelligence spending. The net government budget surplus, relative to other nations, is used to "stay ahead" technologically and militarily of foreign countries, thereby preserving national security. Thus, National security objectives; the bureaucratic phoneme through which intended domestic and foreign social/political control is expressed, is achieved through creating a massive military and intelligence establishment that detects, quells, and crushes potential threats to national economic interests.

What exists today, is an American, and emerging European Union, global economic hegemony, in which American and European Union monetary affluence and sheer military and intelligence power relies on the *efficient* operation of the domestic and global economy.

In order for developed nations to maintain their position of global affluence and control, relative to other nations, 1st world nations net exports to developing nations must remain high to generate the necessary tax revenues used to "out spend" foreign government investment in military and related technologies. Increased domestic military and intelligence spending, in turn, protects and strengthens the domestic economy and major trading partner economies, by subverting and intervening in regional conflicts before they are allowed to significantly influence the performance of the *shared* economy.


If fusion power technology becomes publicly available, a massive shift in the global geopolitical balance of power will ensue, due to a massive shift in world product consumption and international trade patterns.

The public dissemination of fusion technology will not be allowed because it has the potential to undermine the accumulation of American and EU monetary affluence, relative to other nations, by creating self sustaining, non import dependant, countries. Even if the information required to build, operate, and maintain a fusion reactor were publicly available, say through public dissemination on the net, the US would find a way to sabotage the facility and spin it as a "systems failure". Y? Because American, United Kingdom, Canadain, Western European, and Japanese civilian populations would violently protest the domestic general decrease in standard of living incurred by mass proliferation of fusion power technology. If any government choose to make fusion power publicly available to developing countries, that said countries military establishment would successfully orchestrate a political coup which would be supported by the majority of the civilian population.

Y is this all happening?

Proximate cause: The Oil industry and automobile industry generate trillions of US dollars in global revenue. Because oil has a significant cost incurred with its extraction, refinement, and distribution, developing countries governments are less likely to experience significant budget surplus's. High energy prices then inhibit rapid economic growth of developing countries, thereby increasing global strategic stability by reducing the total number of nations with productive capacities to create and maintain massive military, intelligence, and Weapons of Mass Destruction programs. Also, by utilizing all available fossil fuels before the inception of fusion technology, energy corporations and automotive corporations can continue to amass wealth due to the oligopolical structure of the energy and automative industry. Thus, by restricting the generation of energy extraction and automotive production revenues to a small group of corportations, an effective financial entry barrier for future energy and transportation competitors is created.

Ultimate Cause: TestBoy said it best - "Inequalities of the human spirit." Humans, in most instances, are greedy and self serving. This is why capitalism works so well. Most humans are highly motivated by personal loss and personal gain.

The answer lies with the individual. Making a change. Doing what they can. Although I’m too drained to talk about our options, Ill come back and we can debate this some more. See what we can do.
 
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frorider6 said:


You're kidding right? The notion of "god" has created more war and strife than any other thing. I think our only hope is to give up the notion of god and strive to improve ourselves for the sake of itself, not so we can suck up to a deity that holds us in contempt for being imperfect in order to have the honor of worshipping him for eternity.


Matt 24:35

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


HM
 
Wanna hear something shocking. Steven Hawking says that if the world keeps growing at the rate it is now, by the year 2600, we will all be standing shoulder to shoulder.

Scary huh?
 
frorider6 said:


You're kidding right? The notion of "god" has created more war and strife than any other thing. I think our only hope is to give up the notion of god and strive to improve ourselves for the sake of itself, not so we can suck up to a deity that holds us in contempt for being imperfect in order to have the honor of worshipping him for eternity.

It´s not gods fault, blame the people who use god in their own favour. Their time will come I´m sure.
 
Sebass67 said:
Wanna hear something shocking. Steven Hawking says that if the world keeps growing at the rate it is now, by the year 2600, we will all be standing shoulder to shoulder.

Scary huh?

Makes it easier to meet people.
 
Sebass67 said:
Wanna hear something shocking. Steven Hawking says that if the world keeps growing at the rate it is now, by the year 2600, we will all be standing shoulder to shoulder.

Scary huh?


We will be really old by then, so we will need someone to hold us up anyway.:D
 
what will save the world??? man himself. everything we need to know is already stored within us, waiting to be tapped. we will solve problems that face us. polution, energy needs, global warfare and all other problems that arise. man is a resilient animal. we will survive.

so dont go changing your retirement plans.
 
for

Sponge
....................

well the process of fusion is creative by nature............not destructive.

so when the hydrogen is put into the fusion chamber a massive amount of energy is created to form a more massive nuclei
with a simultaneous realease of energy.

so the product of this you may ask?

the variuos isotopes of hydrogen tridium and dueterium form into








.............helium ...................go blow up some balloons for the party Sponge


:arty:

Nature will bring the punch

and

Dballer will bring the gyno strippers
 
OMEGA said:
for

Sponge
....................

well the process of fusion is creative by nature............not destructive.

so when the hydrogen is put into the fusion chamber a massive amount of energy is created to form a more massive nuclei
with a simultaneous realease of energy.

so the product of this you may ask?

the variuos isotopes of hydrogen tridium and dueterium form into








.............helium ...................go blow up some balloons for the party Sponge


:arty:

Nature will bring the punch

and

Dballer will bring the gyno strippers

this sure does sound expensive though!
 
free energy would be a start. Maybe from Tesla atmospheric coils.. he claimed he could set up a hydro plant anywhere and transmit power through the atmosphere which could be picked up from anywhere; he demonstrated earth power transmission by setting up a power source and lighting a bulb just by sticking it in the ground some distance away. But he discontinued research when he said the frequency harmonics were too close to brain waves and had military applications in other things including changing the weather
But few people can make sense of his notebooks; the US Govt has a base in Alaska built to do tests.
That's as much as I know.... Frackal might have details :D
 
Sponge yes it is.
$$$

but common is money the only thing that matters

at this point it would be illogical for the human race not to spend money on this stuff.


Island Son

interesting

Frackal is a pleathora of knowledge concerning progressive issues, Gov theories, and anal sex techniques.

a true renessance man!:)


I also heard that Tesla went nuts........legally insane.

and that he instead was trying to make a weapon to blow up the world instead of saving it.

just a rumor though
 
Island Son said:
free energy would be a start. Maybe from Tesla atmospheric coils.. he claimed he could set up a hydro plant anywhere and transmit power through the atmosphere which could be picked up from anywhere; he demonstrated earth power transmission by setting up a power source and lighting a bulb just by sticking it in the ground some distance away.

can you elaborate a little on how the "power source" actually lit the light bulb?

even hydro-plants have draw backs.

omega, do you have anything against using fossil fuels(oil) as our energy source.
 
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