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There's been some particularly nasty homophobia lately. Here is an episode of PBS' Frontline from last year:

This university (can't remember which) did a study to see if Freud had it right 100 years ago when he surmised that repressed homosexuality was the cause of homophobia. The study put electrode rings around the penises of all the males who expressed homphobic views in the study. Then they showed erotic films with heterosexual, lesbian and homosexual sex scenes, and measured the pressure against the rings. Indeed, they proved Freud to be right.

Anyone remember the dad in _American Beauty_ who went around yelling "faggot" and then planted a wet one on Kevin Spacey? Whenever he introduced himself to anyone it was : "Sergeant So and So, U.S. Marine Corps!" and he HATED "them faggots."

Doesn't take Freud to see..........

This thread will either be ignored by posters terrified of the logic in it, or made completely about me (again) as a means to deflect attention from said logic. Also anticipate plenty of: "I don't hate; I just think it's disgusting....." Uh, sure. Way different.
 
Homophobia as in an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of homosexuals?

BTW: How has that anti-Thinkophobia medication been working for you?

-Warik
 
Well, I have a couple gay friends and they both agree with my view....

We are not required to like someone based on their sex, race, creed or sexual orientation. Of course, the reverse applies.

People are too PC now-a-days. If you have a narrow template you use to find friends, then expect a narrow amount of friends.
But who said quantity was quality.
 
gymtime said:
buk if I didn't know better I'd say you was lookin' fer trubble. :)
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Nope, not I.....

Seriously, it's just something I notice. Lots of hatred for gays comes from repressed homosexuality on the part of the hater. Not just my opinion (and LOTS of people's), but now actual--woo-hoo-scientific research.
 
People only really fear that which they are attracted to yet have a moral or social repulsion against that has been ingraned into their basic psyche over time.
 
uhh i have serious doubts about that experiment being scientifically quantifiable :) .....jeez your putting metal rings round their weiners for god sake then pumping all different types of porn into their heads!

i do agree a lot of homophobics do actually do what wodin said, with some sort of denial thang going on, just not all of them
 
i don't think all "distaste" for homosexuality is connected to repressed homosexuality. We live in a comparatively sex-phobic culture still dominated by Christian values, explicit or secularized, and all forms of nonprocreative sex are still stigmatized.

Gay people have sex for one reason only -- pleasure -- and most Americans still think a life devoted guiltlessly in any measure to pleasure is wrong. (I don't mean by "pleasure" to rule out pleasureable experiences like "intimacy.") I assume this is the same reason most Christian dogma at once moralizes sodomy as sin but, by the very act of its repeated warnings, acknowledges how tempting it is.

On the other hand, people who are actively homophobic -- who repeatedly go out of their way to demonize homosexuality, who try to outlaw it, re-closet it, etc., usually are defending against their own impulses. We recognize this in nearly every other way -- for example, in Jimmy Swaggart's tedious moralizing about "promiscuity." Jim Bakker turned out to have butt boys. Eddie Murphy is another example. He did an infamously homophobic comedy routine -- and then turned out to have a thing for chicks with dicks.Where anyone performs as a moralist, you can assume he's hiding something.

Of course, an interesting inflection of this phenomenon is when it occurs among gay people themselves.
 
musclebrains said:

On the other hand, people who are actively homophobic -- who repeatedly go out of their way to demonize homosexuality, who try to outlaw it, re-closet it, etc., usually are defending against their own impulses. We recognize this in nearly every other way -- for example, in Jimmy Swaggart's tedious moralizing about "promiscuity." Jim Bakker turned out to have butt boys. Eddie Murphy is another example. He did an infamously homophobic comedy routine -- and then turned out to have a thing for chicks with dicks.Where anyone performs as a moralist, you can assume he's hiding something.
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Roy Cohn is another example and "Colonel Frank Fitts, U.S. Marine Corps!" (you have to shout that) from _American Beauty_ is the classic example of what I think Wodin and Brains were talking about: we hate that which we fear in ourselves.
 
Well, don't forget J. Edgar Hoover.

I heard on NPR some tapes of Hoover and LBJ discussing how to identify a homosexual. (LBJ's closest aid was arrested for fucking a young man at the DC YMCA.) Jedgar assured LBJ that you just cain't tell some the time, ya know, unless they pay too much attention to their hair and walk funny. I guess Jedgar knew how to walk.
 
musclebrains said:
i don't think all "distaste" for homosexuality is connected to repressed homosexuality. We live in a comparatively sex-phobic culture still dominated by Christian values, explicit or secularized, and all forms of nonprocreative sex are still stigmatized.

Gay people have sex for one reason only -- pleasure -- and most Americans still think a life devoted guiltlessly in any measure to pleasure is wrong. (I don't mean by "pleasure" to rule out pleasureable experiences like "intimacy.") I assume this is the same reason most Christian dogma at once moralizes sodomy as sin but, by the very act of its repeated warnings, acknowledges how tempting it is.
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Why do I think of the Puritans when you say this?

And those groups that killed witches?
 
i dont care what your sexual pref is... i just dont like "flamers"... you know, the ones that like to throw their sexuality in your face. Whats that all about. If your gay then your gay, so what, whats the point of being a militant homo and throwing your sexuality in the publics face.
 
Gilbyag said:
i dont care what your sexual pref is... i just dont like "flamers"... you know, the ones that like to throw their sexuality in your face. Whats that all about. If your gay then your gay, so what, whats the point of being a militant homo and throwing your sexuality in the publics face.
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he has a point - I don't like the hetero version of that either. the ones where it is some macho guy talking about how he fucked some girl, and how much he loves football and grunts and butts heads.

both are equally annoying to me.

but then again, anyone that isn't me annoys me.
 
Gilbyag said:
i dont care what your sexual pref is... i just dont like "flamers"... you know, the ones that like to throw their sexuality in your face. Whats that all about. If your gay then your gay, so what, whats the point of being a militant homo and throwing your sexuality in the publics face.
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What is "throwing it in your face"? A PDA? Have you ever had a PDA with a girlfriend? What on earth is a "militant homo"? (Kinda funny, that. "Men, grab your berets; we're going to war! No, not those ones, the Prada, dammit!")

You guys on this board do a lot of bragging about conquests and performances and all that, and whole lotta graphic flirting. Are you "militant heteros"?
 
Oh NO don't bring Prada into it! What will those malevolent Nancy-Boys be up to next! They've already taken over sitcoms and most high fashion .. It's going to be local, state, and national governments next!!

I would hide my head in the sand but then my butt sticks out, and that's not good.
 
What's this shit about Eddie Murphy muscle brains. I did not hear this. What happened? Please don't tell me Eddie likes trannys. I am start to like Chris Rock better already.
 
First I'd like to say that I doubt buksoon was thrying to stir up the pot and get into a flame war with this thread. It's an interesting topic. So, with that said....

I too doubt the validity of that experiment. It seems it would be testing attention span more than anything. After a while porn bores me. Pretty much any depiction of sex will bring about a physical response, gay or not. So if they started out showing dikes licking each other and gays sucking dicks, there might be an involuntary response. Later, when "straight sex" was shown, the subject might have gotten bored or distracted with porn in general and showed less physical response. Or the initial novelty of gay sex might have also tainted the experiment, appealing not to someone latent homosexuality, but more to a voyeauristic nature.

I don't think that all, or even the majority of people who hate gays and are vocal about it are gay themselves. I'm sure there is a minority of them though. I think it lies more with how you're raised and your early influences. To say that all people hate gays because they want to be gay is to also say that people who hate blacks do so because they want to be black. The arguement just doesn't hold water.

I know what Gilbyag meant by "flamers" and "militant homos". But I think he was talking more about a personality more than a sexual preference. There are certain personality types I don't like and the flamboyant dramatic types are one of them. Has nothing to do with sexual preference. They just irritate me.

My $.01
I'll throw i the other cent in a bit.
 
buksoon said:


What is "throwing it in your face"? A PDA? Have you ever had a PDA with a girlfriend? What on earth is a "militant homo"? (Kinda funny, that. "Men, grab your berets; we're going to war! No, not those ones, the Prada, dammit!")

You guys on this board do a lot of bragging about conquests and performances and all that, and whole lotta graphic flirting. Are you "militant heteros"?
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no, not pda... "f-l-a-m-e-r-s", I dont know how much clear'r to put it. Militant homo was just an expression... chillout. Are you heterophobe? I dont care who flirts gaphiclly on here.... I was just stating what I didnt like about the other team. sheeeeeesh.
 
curling said:
Frorider,

Excellelant response bro.
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Every now and then I get all smart.:rolleyes: Usually, I just prefer to be stupid. It's more fun. :)

(A study actually was done relating intelligence to happiness. Higher intelligence usually equated to lower "happiness".)
 
frorider6 said:


I too doubt the validity of that experiment. It seems it would be testing attention span more than anything. After a while porn bores me. Pretty much any depiction of sex will bring about a physical response, gay or not. So if they started out showing dikes licking each other and gays sucking dicks, there might be an involuntary response. Later, when "straight sex" was shown, the subject might have gotten bored or distracted with porn in general and showed less physical response. Or the initial novelty of gay sex might have also tainted the experiment, appealing not to someone latent homosexuality, but more to a voyeauristic nature.

I don't think that all, or even the majority of people who hate gays and are vocal about it are gay themselves. I'm sure there is a minority of them though. I think it lies more with how you're raised and your early influences. To say that all people hate gays because they want to be gay is to also say that people who hate blacks do so because they want to be black. The arguement just doesn't hold water.

I know what Gilbyag meant by "flamers" and "militant homos". But I think he was talking more about a personality more than a sexual preference. There are certain personality types I don't like and the flamboyant dramatic types are one of them. Has nothing to do with sexual preference. They just irritate me.

My $.01
I'll throw i the other cent in a bit.
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Huh? The experiment, which included a control group, wasn't of "straight men." It was of homophobic straight men, a separate measurement from the response to the porn. If voyeurism could account for it, you'd expect a similar response among the non-homophobic men. This wasn't an experiment funded by NAMBLA and conducted in someone's basement.

Nobody said extremely homophobic men WANT to be gay. You're constructing an inappropriate analogy with racism and blacks. You could certainly say that in both cases there is a discomfort with otherness that points to an internal otherness that's not owned. In one case it's sexual and in the other its about social position, usually.

I will continue to maintain that the "disgust" before flamers -- by which most people mean effeminate types -- is another variety of misogyny, a way of demonizing the female through displacement. The complaint about militancy and homosexuality is, imo, motivated by a wish to preserve the male, um, pecking (peckering) order.
 
strongchick said:


Why do I think of the Puritans when you say this?

And those groups that killed witches?
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Yep, the US is grounded by its settlers in the demonization of pleasure -- to say nothing, vis a vis witchcraft, of the female body. Read some of the early accounts of the "wicked miasma" of the natural world. The Puritans, who wouldn't even allow the growing of flowers for pleasure, still live with us.
 
race, sexuality..... what next. I'm glad I don't have a mindset for such petty hatred. Imagine, hating somene because he prefers the company of his own sex. What a bullshit standard to judge someone by.

Damn, imagine being black and gay. Imagine how much bullshit you have do deal with!!
 
curling said:
What's this shit about Eddie Murphy muscle brains. I did not hear this. What happened? Please don't tell me Eddie likes trannys. I am start to like Chris Rock better already.
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Yep. Eddie was stopped by police in WEst HOllywood with a transy hooker in his car. He claimed to simply be helping out the poor creature. People almost bought it....and then the gossip columns reported several more incidents.

A rule of life: Whenever people are radically criticizing other people's morality, they are hiding something. I know this as a psychologist but I learned it much earlier, working as dirt-digging reporter. It's amazing that public figures have not learned this but the process is unconscious, of course.
 
The Nature Boy said:
....Damn, imagine being black and gay. Imagine how much bullshit you have do deal with!!
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And being a woman no less! Strongchick, anything to add here? :)
 
gymtime said:


And being a woman no less! Strongchick, anything to add here? :)
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yeah really!

Although do you think lesbians get as much of a bad rap as male homosexuals? I know hollywood is more likely to embrace lesbians, or at least I thihk that's the case.
 
musclebrains said:


Huh? The experiment, which included a control group, wasn't of "straight men." It was of homophobic straight men, a separate measurement from the response to the porn. If voyeurism could account for it, you'd expect a similar response among the non-homophobic men. This wasn't an experiment funded by NAMBLA and conducted in someone's basement.

Nobody said extremely homophobic men WANT to be gay. You're constructing an inappropriate analogy with racism and blacks. You could certainly say that in both cases there is a discomfort with otherness that points to an internal otherness that's not owned. In one case it's sexual and in the other its about social position, usually.

I will continue to maintain that the "disgust" before flamers -- by which most people mean effeminate types -- is another variety of misogyny, a way of demonizing the female through displacement. The complaint about militancy and homosexuality is, imo, motivated by a wish to preserve the male, um, pecking (peckering) order.
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It's very hard to comment and this study since I know nothing about it. I was making some broad generalizations and assumptions. I just wanted to make the point that it is very hard to test someone's sexuality and determine through physical responses what actually turns them on.

As far as the word "homophobic" goes, I thought the general consensus of this thread was that people who were homophobic had some latent homosexual tendencies. They want to be gay but can't, for whatever reason, and to cope, they lash out at the very thing they want to be. Read some posts above citing the military man from American Beauty as an example. And my point to that was, I don't think most people displaying "homophobic" behavior are necessarily gay themselves. They instaed are conditioned to respond this way to something they don't understand or agree with. And I stand by my analogy if you keep this point in mind.

And why does distaste for one's personality always have to have some larger social implications? Speaking for myself, I don't like the full blown loud mouthed swishy "gay" type of person. That doesn't mean I hate women or am homophobic. It just means that that personality type irritates me. It has nothing to do with sexuality. If I met the a straight person that acted that way, i'd be irritated with them too. Do I have to go into all stereotypical personality types I don't like just to prove I don't love everyone except "flamers"?
 
The Nature Boy said:
race, sexuality..... what next. I'm glad I don't have a mindset for such petty hatred. Imagine, hating somene because he prefers the company of his own sex. What a bullshit standard to judge someone by.

Damn, imagine being black and gay. Imagine how much bullshit you have do deal with!!
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Thanks for that, NB.

Part of my work is sometimes running "encounter" groups between black and white men and gay and straight men. I find without exception that the (gay and straight) white and (black and white) straight men have absolutely NO idea what it's like to live with the depth of hatred and prejudice gays and African-Americans do.

Of course, at the outset, they ALWAYS claim they do -- that everyone's got some cross to bear. But, invariably, if they stop long enough to really hear and imagine what it would be like to have a society tell you that you are inferior from the moment of your self-consciousness about your skin color or way you love, they usually make a profound change in their attitude. But it does take this kind of personal experience of empathy for people to change, I think.
 
The Nature Boy said:


yeah really!

Although do you think lesbians get as much of a bad rap as male homosexuals? I know hollywood is more likely to embrace lesbians, or at least I thihk that's the case.
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I think it's probably six in one...I think the bad rap has more to do with how far people stray from the norm than with actual sexual preference. I think the more effeminate men are, the harder time they have with society. Same thing with masculine women.
 
gymtime said:


I think it's probably six in one...I think the bad rap has more to do with how far people stray from the norm than with actual sexual preference. I think the more effeminate men are, the harder time they have with society. Same thing with masculine women.
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I'll agree with that. I do think the show Will & Grace is helping, as well as the female wrestler Chyna (just got the new Playboy with her in it. She's doesn't look as buff though as the first time)
 
musclebrains said:


Thanks for that, NB.

Part of my work is sometimes running "encounter" groups between black and white men and gay and straight men.
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Now those meetings have GOT to be interesting. I'm so glad to hear you are effecting change this way.
 
frorider6 said:


It's very hard to comment and this study since I know nothing about it. I was making some broad generalizations and assumptions. I just wanted to make the point that it is very hard to test someone's sexuality and determine through physical responses what actually turns them on.

As far as the word "homophobic" goes, I thought the general consensus of this thread was that people who were homophobic had some latent homosexual tendencies. They want to be gay but can't, for whatever reason, and to cope, they lash out at the very thing they want to be. Read some posts above citing the military man from American Beauty as an example. And my point to that was, I don't think most people displaying "homophobic" behavior are necessarily gay themselves. They instaed are conditioned to respond this way to something they don't understand or agree with. And I stand by my analogy if you keep this point in mind.

And why does distaste for one's personality always have to have some larger social implications? Speaking for myself, I don't like the full blown loud mouthed swishy "gay" type of person. That doesn't mean I hate women or am homophobic. It just means that that personality type irritates me. It has nothing to do with sexuality. If I met the a straight person that acted that way, i'd be irritated with them too. Do I have to go into all stereotypical personality types I don't like just to prove I don't love everyone except "flamers"?
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i agreed early on -- I was the first to make the point, in fact -- that distaste for homosexuality is not necessarily indicative of repressed desire. I believe that is the case in extreme cases -- as it is with any other kind of fanatical moralizing.

Repression is not conscious and most bigots don't think of themselves as bigoted, so I wouldn't expect people who bash effeminate gays to "own" any motivation other than taste or, as you say, simple irritation. But the fact is that it's irritating for a reason and it is a "female" behavior. Coincidence? Perhaps. Maybe it was coincidence too that the witches were all female and almost all sexually active.

This points to an underlying conceptual problem, too. To have homoerotic impulses is taboo. Having them and repressing them does not mean you want to be "gay," which is a modern term for an identity based on partnering with your own sex. It simply means you have an impulse to have sex with your own gender. This did not constitute an identity until the late part of the last century.

Gay identity is arguably an elective status, though the pressure to assume it if you have sex with men is now enormous. Homosexual impulses are not elective, though they may be suppressed or repressed. If gay IDENTITY is socially constructed, so is heterosexual identity and you cannot reasonably argue for the inherency of gender markers associated with those identities.
 
musclebrains said:

......Repression is not conscious and most bigots don't think of themselves as bigoted, so I wouldn't expect people who bash effeminate gays to "own" any motivation other than taste or, as you say, simple irritation. But the fact is that it's irritating for a reason and it is a "female" behavior. Coincidence? Perhaps. Maybe it was coincidence too that the witches were all female and almost all sexually active.....
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I think this is a key point. I think that female-type behavior in men causes more disgust and reaction in straight men than does their actual sexual preference. What is more symbolic of masculinity than the man himself? When that most basic concept is contradicted by one's behavior, I think it hits straight men harder than most any other digression from the norm.
 
gymtime said:


I think this is a key point. I think that female-type behavior in men causes more disgust and reaction in straight men than does their actual sexual preference. What is more symbolic of masculinity than the man himself? When that most basic concept is contradicted by one's behavior, I think it hits straight men harder than most any other digression from the norm.
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Actually, if a woman displayed the type of behavior I am trying to descride, it would be no less irritating.

Maybe I'll pick this thread up later, but for now, I'm tired of typing long debates. But I have to say, kudos to musclebrains for a civil debate. I'd love to have this conversation in real life. And no, I didn't just make a pass at you. :D
 
gymtime said:


I think this is a key point. I think that female-type behavior in men causes more disgust and reaction in straight men than does their actual sexual preference. What is more symbolic of masculinity than the man himself? When that most basic concept is contradicted by one's behavior, I think it hits straight men harder than most any other digression from the norm.
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yep, but the stereotypical conflation of effeminacy and homosexual behavior is VERY recent, an invention of psychology. It is interesting to question how much the invention then becomes part of the construction of gay "identity."
 
frorider6 said:


Actually, if a woman displayed the type of behavior I am trying to descride, it would be no less irritating...
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True. I should have clarified. Same applies to women.
 
frorider6 said:


Actually, if a woman displayed the type of behavior I am trying to descride, it would be no less irritating.

Maybe I'll pick this thread up later, but for now, I'm tired of typing long debates. But I have to say, kudos to musclebrains for a civil debate. I'd love to have this conversation in real life. And no, I didn't just make a pass at you. :D
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LOL..and I'm hitting my back at the gym.

I likewise appreciate the level of civility.
 
frorider6 said:
First I'd like to say that I doubt buksoon was thrying to stir up the pot and get into a flame war with this thread. It's an interesting topic. So, with that said....


I know what Gilbyag meant by "flamers" and "militant homos". But I think he was talking more about a personality more than a sexual preference. There are certain personality types I don't like and the flamboyant dramatic types are one of them. Has nothing to do with sexual preference. They just irritate me.

My $.01
I'll throw i the other cent in a bit.
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If Fro was a nation he'd be Switzerland. No problem, there.

Anyway, "Buksoon" wasn't trying to start trouble with this thread so much as offer a counterpoint to a thread from yesterday where this guy was like: "I'd rather my son kill me, or die, than be gay!"

(Anyone ever see the movie _Heathers_? "Mah son is gay! I love mah dead gay son!")

Anyway, I thought: On THIS board? Got to be kidding me. If some threads were any more homoerotic it'd be a gladiator movie. Boasting about one's package and sexual feats--sometimes there are pictures!--for an "audience" of other men.

As a straight woman, the idea of--like, spreading eagal and snapping pictures for other women--is just .... uh, no thank you. (??)

I know a large part of "male culture" is Dick Tales and swagger and bravado..... but to certain guys who then add hate rhetoric to it. Just gets ya thinking. About "protesting too much."
 
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Maybe I'll pick this thread up later, but for now, I'm tired of typing long debates. But I have to say, kudos to musclebrains for a civil debate. I'd love to have this conversation in real life. And no, I didn't just make a pass at you. :D
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So you gave up.

Loser..............:finger: :doublefi:
 
I'm bumping my response

buksoon said:


If Fro was a nation he'd be Switzerland. No problem, there.

Anyway, "Buksoon" wasn't trying to start trouble with this thread so much as offer a counterpoint to a thread from yesterday where this guy was like: "I'd rather my son kill me, or die, than be gay!"

(Anyone ever see the movie _Heathers_? "Mah son is gay! I love mah dead gay son!")

Anyway, I thought: On THIS board? Got to be kidding me. If some threads were any more homoerotic it'd be a gladiator movie. Boasting about one's package and sexual feats--sometimes there are pictures!--for an "audience" of other men.

As a straight woman, the idea of--like, spreading eagal and snapping pictures for other women--is just .... uh, no thank you. (??)

I know a large part of "male culture" is Dick Tales and swagger and bravado..... but to certain guys who then add hate rhetoric to it. Just gets ya thinking. About "protesting too much."
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buksoon said:


Your middle finger is larger than your unit, I do believe.
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the face in that avatar actually looks a lot like if one were to draw a character of me.
but the penis is waaay too big
 
I think the board would be a better place if people didn't vent their sexual hang ups/hatreds/perversions so often.

Ah well..............SIGH
 
Test boy said:
I think the board would be a better place if people didn't vent their sexual hang ups/hatreds/perversions so often.

Ah well..............SIGH
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I'm hung up about hating your perversions.
 
I find it interesting that I will always be known as the originator of two Big Johnson threads. Anybody else notice the incredible number of hits on those threads? I'm sure 1/2 were by BOS though.

Seems like almost every guy on the board has stated he is endowed. I've seen these testimonies hundreds of times. Guess I'm just better at sales and advertising.:D

Here comes the hate posts from the guys with questionable endowments I would bet.
 
frorider6 said:
I'm hung like a gnat.
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Don't gnats have a really short life span? Like, crazy short?

Interesting analogy. And unsurprising. Somethings are even obvious to the virgin.
 
buksoon said:


Don't gnats have a really short life span? Like, crazy short?

Interesting analogy. And unsurprising. Somethings are even obvious to the virgin.
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Did you ever read my theory on men talking about the size of their penises? Basically, always claim it's small. It's better to have a girl pleasantly surprised than slightly disappointed. :)
 
frorider6 said:


Did you ever read my theory on men talking about the size of their penises? Basically, always claim it's small. It's better to have a girl pleasantly surprised than slightly disappointed. :)
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DITTO!!!! I totally agree with that statement!
 
buksoon said:


Don't gnats have a really short life span? Like, crazy short?

Interesting analogy. And unsurprising. Somethings are even obvious to the virgin.
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Damn...I always thought frorider always presented himself as a man hung like King Kong.
:D
 
frorider6 said:


Did you ever read my theory on men talking about the size of their penises? Basically, always claim it's small. It's better to have a girl pleasantly surprised than slightly disappointed. :)
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Apparently this tactic has worked for you.

Guys will do what it takes to sow their wild oats, some things work for one guy and not for another.
 
Test boy said:
Damn...I always thought frorider always presented himself as a man hung like King Kong.
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I don't think I would ever make those claims. The true size of my fun stick will remain a mystery.
 
Test boy said:
Apparently this tactic has worked for you.

Guys will do what it takes to sow their wild oats, some things work for one guy and not for another.
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Actually, it does tend to put girls at ease. It's humorous and self depricating. And I would guess that by joking about it, it would make a girl curious. Anyway, not that much thought went into it. I really do have a somewhat self depricating type of humor in real life.
 
frorider6 said:


Did you ever read my theory on men talking about the size of their penises? Basically, always claim it's small. It's better to have a girl pleasantly surprised than slightly disappointed. :)
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And the lifespan factor of the analogy subject? Anyway.

It is an interesting "theory": under-represent size of penis so people who WILL NEVER SEE IT are pleasantly surprised?
 
buksoon said:


And the lifespan factor of the analogy subject? Anyway.

It is an interesting "theory": under-represent size of penis so people who WILL NEVER SEE IT are pleasantly surprised?
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It fits with my self depricating style of humor so people know I'm joking. And to be honest, it's none of their business. I am very comfortable with my "size".
 
frorider6 said:


Actually, it does tend to put girls at ease. It's humorous and self depricating. And I would guess that by joking about it, it would make a girl curious. Anyway, not that much thought went into it. I really do have a somewhat self depricating type of humor in real life.
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OK...so you have done this a few times and had success. What is the difference between claiming small vs. big when the goal is the same....get in those panties?

As I've said several times...I've only described dimensions once, maybe twice, and never regretted it. Its all about timing and how well you know someone as well as their personality.

But I DO know a guy who frequently tells girls he is hung and everybody says he gets laid a lot. Nevertheless...I will not stoop to that level unless I believe the girl wants to hear that.
 
And how did a thread about homophobia turn into a discussion about the size of mine and everyone else's penis?
 
frorider6 said:


It fits with my self depricating style of humor so people know I'm joking. And to be honest, it's none of their business. I am very comfortable with my "size".
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And what's more: I can't imagine anyone but you gives a shit!
 
frorider6 said:


It fits with my self depricating style of humor so people know I'm joking. And to be honest, it's none of their business. I am very comfortable with my "size".
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A very effective tool. When the situation arizes (so to speak), I say that I'm hung like a large.........(the hesitation is key here)..........field mouse. They laugh hysterically and assume that I have no insecurities, which is God's truth of course. :rolleyes:
 
frorider6 said:


Easy there kiddo. We're just sitting around shooting the breeze. No need to get riled up.
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Yeah okay. Just pm'd you with something personal and honest. But carry on with the dick talk by all means.
 
gymtime said:


A very effective tool. When the situation arizes (so to speak), I say that I'm hung like a large.........(the hesitation is key here)..........field mouse. They laugh hysterically and assume that I have no insecurities, which is God's truth of course. :rolleyes:
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In my experience, people would rather hear you tell a joke than brag about the size of your dick.

Other times I tell people I'm hung like a flea. A flea has the largest penis in relation to his body in the entire animal kingdom, 2.5x the length of his body. :FRlol:
 
buksoon said:


And what's more: I can't imagine anyone but you gives a shit!
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I'm sure a large percentage of women could care less. But there are a LOT of size queens out there. I have met a bunch of them.

They come unto me because I have XXXL hands, large nose, size 15 feet, and am 6'5". I'be been told numerous times that I have "all the signs." Unfortunately several were looking for 10+ inches. I can not fulfill that requirement.:(
 
frorider6 said:


In my experience, people would rather hear you tell a joke than brag about the size of your dick.

Other times I tell people I'm hung like a flea. A flea has the largest penis in relation to his body in the entire animal kingdom, 2.5x the length of his body. :FRlol:
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Exactly. I wonder if fleas brag to each other though? Probably not.
 
frorider6 said:


In my experience, people would rather hear you tell a joke than brag about the size of your dick.

Other times I tell people I'm hung like a flea. A flea has the largest penis in relation to his body in the entire animal kingdom, 2.5x the length of his body. :FRlol:
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all this "dick" talk, is making me believe your actually in love with your dick more than you profess.
 
frorider6 said:


In my experience, people would rather hear you tell a joke than brag about the size of your dick.



Damn bro...looks like you have a LOT of experience talking of Johnson size.

Anyway I am weary of this discussion....I'm out.:)
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spongebob said:


all this "dick" talk, is making me believe your actually in love with your dick more than you profess.
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Ya think? ;) He's researched the anatomy of a gnat.

I am seeing the kid from Jerry Maguire in my head: "Did you know the gnat's penis is 2.5x times its body length?"
 
buksoon said:


Ya think? ;) He's researched the anatomy of a gnat.
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Flea actually. And it's just random bits of information I pick up.

And why's everyone getting so hostile over this. People always complain about how guy's are always bragging about the size of their dick and how good they are in bed. One guy stands up, makes a joke about how small his is, and refuses to let people know the actual size, and starts getting reamed for it.

These are jokes people. Lighten up. Dicks are funny to talk about. It's not my whole life and it's not something I talk about often.

Why does everyone get so serious in this place?:rolleyes:
 
Mkay, I'm back from the gym and between clients weeping over the holiday season and I see that...

This thread began with the question of whether distaste for homosexuality (or outright homophobia) is a defense against a homosexual impulse.

Then most of the straight guys argued that certainly wasn't the case.

And then they ended up talking about..... big dicks.

WHOOOOOOOOSH.:D

(That was the sound of me scoring.)
 
musclebrains said:
Mkay, I'm back from the gym and between clients weeping over the holiday season and I see that...

This thread began with the question of whether distaste for homosexuality (or outright homophobia) is a defense against a homosexual impulse.

Then most of the straight guys argued that certainly wasn't the case.

And then they ended up talking about..... big dicks.

WHOOOOOOOOSH.:D

(That was the sound of me scoring.)
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I was SOOOO waiting for this one. :FRlol: Even I couldn't figure out how this happened. :D

So how are the loonies?
 
musclebrains said:
Mkay, I'm back from the gym and between clients weeping over the holiday season and I see that...

This thread began with the question of whether distaste for homosexuality (or outright homophobia) is a defense against a homosexual impulse.

Then most of the straight guys argued that certainly wasn't the case.

And then they ended up talking about..... big dicks.

WHOOOOOOOOSH.:D

(That was the sound of me scoring.)
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Dr. Smartypants - this thread moving to dick size was......well......just...uh....a coincidence!! Yes, purely coincidental.
 
musclebrains said:
Mkay, I'm back from the gym and between clients weeping over the holiday season and I see that...

This thread began with the question of whether distaste for homosexuality (or outright homophobia) is a defense against a homosexual impulse.

Then most of the straight guys argued that certainly wasn't the case.

And then they ended up talking about..... big dicks.

WHOOOOOOOOSH.:D

(That was the sound of me scoring.)
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Fuck yeah! Didn't even touch the rim! (Ha, I made pun!)
 
frorider6 said:

So how are the loonies?
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In need of slap therapy.

Your alcoholic mother ruined all your childhood Christmases by putting paregoric and vodka in the fruitcake? Get over it, loser. *SLAP*

Your daddy gave you a bike and then made you assemble it yourself when you weren't even old enough to pick up a wrench? I'm soooooooo sorry, but, wasn't that, like, 45 fucking years ago? *SLAP*

The holiday season is hard for you because all the parties raise your anxiety? Well, I don't know why anyone would even invite you to a party. *SLAP*

Christmas is bad for you because your uncle dressed as Santa and gave you a candy cane with one hand, while he touched you down there with the other? You must have been a better looking child than adult. *SLAP*
 
musclebrains said:

You must have been a better looking child than adult. *SLAP*
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OH...... MY....... GOD!!!!! I can't believe I just read that!

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
 
musclebrains said:



In need of slap therapy.

Your alcoholic mother ruined all your childhood Christmases by putting paregoric and vodka in the fruitcake? Get over it, loser. *SLAP*

Your daddy gave you a bike and then made you assemble it yourself when you weren't even old enough to pick up a wrench? I'm soooooooo sorry, but, wasn't that, like, 45 fucking years ago? *SLAP*

The holiday season is hard for you because all the parties raise your anxiety? Well, I don't know why anyone would even invite you to a party. *SLAP*

Christmas is bad for you because your uncle dressed as Santa and gave you a candy cane with one hand, while he touched you down there with the other? You must have been a better looking child than adult. *SLAP*
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Not exactly the Bob Newhart type character I'd always envisioned.
 
gymtime said:


Not exactly the Bob Newhart type character I'd always envisioned.
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Nope, not seeing Brains in one of those cardigans bringing out the warm and fuzzy.
 
gymtime said:


Not exactly the Bob Newhart type character I'd always envisioned.
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I'm just kidding. Sort of. My work has been written up by several magazines and was featured on CNN. One of the magazines called me an "anti-therapist." I believe much so-called psychotherapy does more harm than good. My practice motto is "I oppose all cures." But this is in the context of working almost exclusively with writers, artists and musicians who cannot function if they don't CULTIVATE their eccentricity.
 
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