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[Dave949]

I am 2 months shy of turning 48. Been lifting hard and heavy for 22 plus years. Never did any AAS. (unless 1 ad counts as AAS). My avatar pic was taken about 4 months ago and is how I have looked for the past 10+ years or so. Just cannot get anymore more size no matter what I do or have done. I am 5' 9", 183 lbs.

Needless to say I have definetly reached my natural size and strength potential many years ago but I still lift like a mofo and not just for maintenance.

I do want to take a walk on the chemical side. I am considering going through WWW.PowerMedica.com. They are legit, advertise in the major BB mags and I have heard favorable feedback on them aside from the fact they may be a little pricey.

The feedback I am seeking from the 40+ club would be recommendations for a short first cycle for someone at my age, short being 4 weeks. I do not want to shut down nor do I desire for my balls to shrink up. I have a strong libido and don`t want to mess with it to any great degree. I am looking to add about 8 - 10 pounds of keepable or somewhat keepable LBM.

I have narrowed it down to Deca @ 400 mgs. a week for 4 weeks or do a Anavar only cycle for 6 - 8 weeks @ 40 mgs. a day (although that would be way pricey unless I go to Mexico and do the dirty work myself) OR do a stack of both Deca and Var. (start with Deca and taper off with var).

I do have 16, 250mg. amps of legit Testoprim - D in my possession but the feedback I have read about Test-D is it is some painful shit, painful to the point of affecting your everyday life as well as your workouts. Don`t really want to go there. It was relatively inexpensive so I will just sit on it and let it collect dust.

Any input, recommendations and feedback would be most appreciated.

Dave

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I am 2 months shy of turning 48. Been lifting hard and heavy for 22 plus years. Never did any AAS. (unless 1 ad counts as AAS). My avatar pic was taken about 4 months ago and is how I have looked for the past 10+ years or so. Just cannot get anymore more size no matter what I do or have done. I am 5' 9", 183 lbs.

Needless to say I have definetly reached my natural size and strength potential many years ago but I still lift like a mofo and not just for maintenance.

I do want to take a walk on the chemical side. I am considering going through WWW.PowerMedica.com. They are legit, advertise in the major BB mags and I have heard favorable feedback on them aside from the fact they may be a little pricey.

The feedback I am seeking from the 40+ club would be recommendations for a short first cycle for someone at my age, short being 4 weeks. I do not want to shut down nor do I desire for my balls to shrink up. I have a strong libido and don`t want to mess with it to any great degree. I am looking to add about 8 - 10 pounds of keepable or somewhat keepable LBM.

I have narrowed it down to Deca @ 400 mgs. a week for 4 weeks or do a Anavar only cycle for 6 - 8 weeks @ 40 mgs. a day (although that would be way pricey unless I go to Mexico and do the dirty work myself) OR do a stack of both Deca and Var. (start with Deca and taper off with var).

I do have 16, 250mg. amps of legit Testoprim - D in my possession but the feedback I have read about Test-D is it is some painful shit, painful to the point of affecting your everyday life as well as your workouts. Don`t really want to go there. It was relatively inexpensive so I will just sit on it and let it collect dust.

Any input, recommendations and feedback would be most appreciated.

Dave

Powermedica is HUGELY expensive, by a factor of almost 10. Get some bloodwork done first to see where your natural test, and GH levels are at. Get on HRT if you need it.

I personally wouldn't dream of doing deca without some test. I'd save the var for a var only cycle.

 

[Dave949]

Powermedica is HUGELY expensive, by a factor of almost 10. Get some bloodwork done first to see where your natural test, and GH levels are at. Get on HRT if you need it.

I personally wouldn't dream of doing deca without some test. I'd save the var for a var only cycle.

They (powermedica) would handle the initial bloodwork and script @ 150 bucks. Their compounded Deca would cost me 40 bucks for a 400mg. inject. which would run me 160 bucks for a 4 weeker. I can deal with that. Their Var is way out of reach @ 5 - 7 bucks per 12.5 mg. tab. For Var I would take the risk and drive to TJ and get the var myself @ 100 5 mg. tabs for about 100 bucks.

Your saying Deca only would not be a recommended route. Any specific reason for this ?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

They (powermedica) would handle the initial bloodwork and script @ 150 bucks. Their compounded Deca would cost me 40 bucks for a 400mg. inject. which would run me 160 bucks for a 4 weeker. I can deal with that. Their Var is way out of reach @ 5 - 7 bucks per 12.5 mg. tab. For Var I would take the risk and drive to TJ and get the var myself @ 100 5 mg. tabs for about 100 bucks.

Your saying Deca only would not be a recommended route. Any specific reason for this ?

The reason is deca KILLS the libido. Running test with it will keep your libido in tact. You should run test 2 weeks past the end of running deca. Also, with deca you have to have different treatment for deca induced gyno and something to deal with prolactin levels from deca. Deca gyno doesn't react to nolva. If you do some searching there is a TON of info on these boards about that.

 

[Dave949]

The reason is deca KILLS the libido. Running test with it will keep your libido in tact. You should run test 2 weeks past the end of running deca. Also, with deca you have to have different treatment for deca induced gyno and something to deal with prolactin levels from deca. Deca gyno doesn't react to nolva. If you do some searching there is a TON of info on these boards about that.

I did do research and searches Bro.....there is a lot of mixed feedback concerning this topic. And yes, from what I read Deca does kill libido for most users at high doses for moderate to long cycles. The info I read about doing short cycles (4 weeks) @ 200 - 400 mg. per week the libido issue and gyno issues were non issues. I have read where it increases libido. I have read where is decreases libido. There is many mixed reviews. It is not my intent to debate with you or anyone else, just looking for (anecdotal) feedback on a (short) cycle. Your recommendation for running test for 2 weeks past the end of a deca cycle is something I will consider and I appreciate your feedback. I guess in the end it comes down to how each individual reacts differently to any given AAS.

As per Mr. Rea:

The most common first cycle was brief (week #1-4). Deca Durabolin, 200-mg every 7th day. For those who were under 200-LBS, this short cycle provided good strength gains with lasting lean mass gains which were be mostly maintained after discontinuance of the AAS. Since the dosage was low and the cycle short, anti-estrogens were not utilized nor was there need for HPTA stimulating compounds post-cycle.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I did do research and searches Bro.....there is a lot of mixed feedback concerning this topic. And yes, from what I read Deca does kill libido for most users at high doses for moderate to long cycles. The info I read about doing short cycles (4 weeks) @ 200 - 400 mg. per week the libido issue and gyno issues were non issues. I have read where it increases libido. I have read where is decreases libido. There is many mixed reviews. It is not my intent to debate with you or anyone else, just looking for (anecdotal) feedback on a (short) cycle. Your recommendation for running test for 2 weeks past the end of a deca cycle is something I will consider and I appreciate your feedback. I guess in the end it comes down to how each individual reacts differently to any given AAS.

As per Mr. Rea:

The most common first cycle was brief (week #1-4). Deca Durabolin, 200-mg every 7th day. For those who were under 200-LBS, this short cycle provided good strength gains with lasting lean mass gains which were be mostly maintained after discontinuance of the AAS. Since the dosage was low and the cycle short, anti-estrogens were not utilized nor was there need for HPTA stimulating compounds post-cycle.

My post wasn't to cause debate, but to let you know that there is a lot of information here about it. Everyone draws their own conclusions about things. I wouldn't want you or anyone else to take my words at face value by themselves. Some people like Dial_Tone can run 600mg per week of deca by itself and have no difficulties. Others just type the word deca and have to down 10 tabs of dostinex just to get their libido back.

I keep the "ooops" stuff around just in case I develop undesired side effects. I know that one gentleman on here used to use deca religiously as part of his protocol, until he developed difficulties using deca.

Since every body is likely to react differently, keeping close tabs on what yours is telling you as well as regular bloodwork will make sure you don't have compounded difficulties.

Keep posting your results and input as we all learn from one another and hopefully will gain much more knowledge together than separate.

 

[Dave949]

Keep posting your results and input as we all learn from one another and hopefully will gain much more knowledge together than separate.

Thats why I`m here asking questions and seeking experienced AAS wisdom Bro

I am believing that AAS usage is much like training to a degree in the effect that what works for one may or may not work (as well) for another and ultimately one has to try through trial and error to see what works for each of us as individuals. After absorbing all the info out there as well as feedback from members like yourself, I will only realize what AAS will work well for me in a short cycle by actually doing a short cycle with xyz and analyzing the end result and making changes as or if needed.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Thats why I`m here asking questions and seeking experienced AAS wisdom Bro

I am believing that AAS usage is much like training to a degree in the effect that what works for one may or may not work (as well) for another and ultimately one has to try through trial and error to see what works for each of us as individuals. After absorbing all the info out there as well as feedback from members like yourself, I will only realize what AAS will work well for me in a short cycle by actually doing a short cycle with xyz and analyzing the end result and making changes as or if needed.

I believe that drjms recommends short 8 week cycles. He responded to a post I did previously and was saying how those on HRT just bump up their dosages for 8 weeks, and then drop down to their maintenance doses after the 8 weeks. I believe the maintenance doses were higher than one would expect.

 

[Dial_tone]

A 4-week cycle of Deca is a complete waste of time. Deca has a very long half-life but it takes 4-5 weeks before you really see any results from it. I started 600mg Deca July 4 weekend so I speak from experience. I don't have problems with libido or prolactin so I wouldn't recommend my cycle to others.