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Important question about OVERTRAINING!

WannaBPowerful

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How can you tell if you are overtraining? How many sets would you recommend for each bodypart, and how much rest is required if you take in 3/4 of your bodyweight in protein each day? I know less is better, but isnt too much less even worse? All responses to this welcome. Everyone has different methods and theories and all are welcome. THANX
 
It depends on your body, however rule of thumb is one muscle group a week. Ie. Arms one day, legs next day..

If you work out a body part more then once a week it's over training.
 
You are overtraining if you don't increase your strength the next time you do that workout. An increase in strength can be defined by something as small as 1/4 of a rep more than last week or a 10 pound jump in weight. If you're not making progress, you're overtraining. Do whatever routine sets/reps schemes you can that will allow this to happen...
 
DaCypher said:
You are overtraining if you don't increase your strength the next time you do that workout. An increase in strength can be defined by something as small as 1/4 of a rep more than last week or a 10 pound jump in weight. If you're not making progress, you're overtraining. Do whatever routine sets/reps schemes you can that will allow this to happen...

I think that's a little oversimplified. By that logic, if you can't lift your car after a couple years of training, you're overtraining. In other words, I don't think the lack of gains is necessarily an indicator of overtraining. I never overtrain, yet I've pretty much peaked on most of my lifts. The only way I'll increase them is with AS.

Overtraining, IMO, is not something you'll feel in your body or be able to apply a perfect definition to. It varies with everyone. Lack of gains is one indicator. Another is lifting a single muscle group more than once or twice a week, or working a muscle group too much in one day.

For me, overtraining would be anything over three excercises for large muscle groups, two for small.
 
i agree with gymtime, i dont think it is sure that you are going to increase strength if you are not overtraining, that would be too easy. also, i reccoment 12 sets per small bodypart, 16 sets for large bodyparts(legs, shoulders,chest, back) and training each bodypart once a week.
 
110% said:
i agree with gymtime, i dont think it is sure that you are going to increase strength if you are not overtraining, that would be too easy. also, i reccoment 12 sets per small bodypart, 16 sets for large bodyparts(legs, shoulders,chest, back) and training each bodypart once a week.

You think 12 sets of bis and tris is sufficient, I struggle with 9 I try to be strict with form and speed, and I usually am lucky if I get my last two reps of my ninth set. You think I should train with less weight and get more sets in?
 
16 sets for large bodyparts?
12 sets for small?
Are you joking?
I'm currently doing a high volume routine and am worried about overtraining. And I'm only doing ten sets per bodypart.

I think the number of sets depends on where you are in your periodization. When you add more sets lower the intensity. When you take away sets increase the intensity.
 
It depends on your body, however rule of thumb is one muscle group a week. Ie. Arms one day, legs next day..

this is pure, Bullshit....its a myth....i train the same body part 3 times a week and im bigger and stronger then ever
 
HighIntensity said:


this is pure, Bullshit....its a myth....i train the same body part 3 times a week and im bigger and stronger then ever

Pure myth or pure truth are rarities in bodybuilding. Some things that work for some people don't do shit for others. Just because something works for you doesn't mean alternatives are bullshit.
 
High Intensity are you on gear? or is your program low intensity? because otherwise I don't see how training 3 times a week for each bodypart is possible. Plus, how long are you in the gym?
 
yes, 16 sets for large bodyparts, 12 for small. it has worked very good for me, i am very satisfied with my bodybuilding progress so far. i agree with high intensity to an extent, i think ppl rely way too much on overtraining and end up undertraining, yes dont do bodyparts 3 times a week i dont agree with taht, but ppl that only do like 6 sets on biceps or somethingl ike that, i wouldnt even feel like i worked them after about 10 min. later. i think some ppl use overtraining as an excuse to lower their time in the gym, i will probably get disagreement over this. i am not saying that it is hard to overtrain, i reccoment bodyparts once a week, but i do also reccoment 12 sets for small, 16 for large.
 
i just think this whole overtraining is overdone

im not on gear im a nati, i train for 2 hours a day

at this moment im on no supps or even whey protien, all my lifts r up and im more vascular and ripped then ever,,,its arnolds program and it works for me...its only 2 exercises for each body part, but the program is all intertwined
 
2 hours? - You've got a great hormonal environment workin for ya there.

All of Arnold's routines have way too much volume. Only someone on gear would be able to not overtrain on them.

But, I guess if that works for you, keep doing it. I won't be able to convince you otherwise anyway.
 
The term "overtraining" is the most abused, overused, and misused term on this board. Once you have entered the severly catabolic state of overtraining, YOU WILL KNOW IT.

Overtraining is characterized by several symptoms: inability to sleep, higher than normal resting heart rate, weakened immune system (due to lowered glutamine levels), irritability, difficulty concentrating, fatigue, loss of training motivation, erectile impotence, etc. Of course, not all these symptoms are mutually exclusive. Some overtrainers may experience only a few while someone else may feel the brunt of most of them.

Basically, endogenous testosterone plummets, blood cortisol levels (stress hormone) rise, and the body's hormonal environment becomes extremely catabolic. So much so that further training, even at low volume/low intensity levels only exacerbate the situation. Extended rest is the only solution for the overtrainer.

I have seen very few who actually reach this state. It takes an an athlete with incredible drive to do so. In fact it is much more commonly seen in professional-level athletics than weekend warriors. Overtraining is chronic in nature, not acute. In other words, you can't just "overtrain" one day at the gym. It takes months, sometimes a few years of overtaxing the body's recuperative abilities to achieve this. Of course, the the rate at which an athlete will become overtrained is depedent upon a host of variables. Genetics, body type, metabolism, nutrition, AAS usage, periodization schemes, recovery time, training volume, training intensity, mental stresses, etc all contribute to how quickly one will become overtrained given that the body cannot recover from given exercise stimuli over the long-run.

"Overreaching" is what most people mistakingly refer to as "overtraining." Overreaching is acute in nature. That is, one can easily overreach within one workout. When an athlete trains beyond their optimal training zone in terms of volume (which will be set primarily by the above mentined factors), that athlete has overreached. Will they suffer the symptoms of overtraining? No. If these training habits continue? Yes. Again though, it may take some time for these symptoms to become evident.

Which makes it difficult to answer your question. It sounds like you are more concerned with overreaching than anything. Many times, people will post questions similar to yours, asking if they are overtraining or not when in reality all they want to know is if they are training optimally for hypertrophy (tissue growth) or not. Again, it's hard to say. It will depend upon the above variables which are all unique to you. No one else will have the same genetics as you , no one else will eat just like you, and no one else will train exactly like you.

Bodybuilding is a journey is self-discovery.
 
"Everyone", especially those with little experience, always scream overtraining!! overtraining!! all the time like the sky is falling. Don't listen to 'em, listen to your body.
 
over training is when you think you may be over training:)


also sleepless ness, restlessness.

are symptoms
 
Good points guys, haven't really thought about that... I just use my weekly strength gains as an indicator of overtraining but I can see for some there are many other factors...
 
110% said:
yes, 16 sets for large bodyparts, 12 for small. it has worked very good for me, i am very satisfied with my bodybuilding progress so far. i agree with high intensity to an extent, i think ppl rely way too much on overtraining and end up undertraining, yes dont do bodyparts 3 times a week i dont agree with taht, but ppl that only do like 6 sets on biceps or somethingl ike that, i wouldnt even feel like i worked them after about 10 min. later. i think some ppl use overtraining as an excuse to lower their time in the gym, i will probably get disagreement over this. i am not saying that it is hard to overtrain, i reccoment bodyparts once a week, but i do also reccoment 12 sets for small, 16 for large.

Okay, why not 17 and 13 or 15 and 11? I suggest working out until you lose consciousness, then when you wake up get a drink of water, and then repeat. Now, I figure since one day really doesn't give me that much rest, I just go ahead and train 7 days a week. I do alternate between upperbody and lowerbody each day. To make sure that I don't do too much, I take my birthday and all federal holidays off. Also, since losing consciousness can be dangerous, I highly recommend a training partner and be careful not to be doing free weight exercises once you start feeling the initial stages of wooziness. One other pointer, it can be helpful to wear a helmet of some sort, motorcycle or bicycle, whatever. Gotta protect that melon you know.

Stay Strong and Stay in School
 
If somone has to do 16 sets to kill the muscle. Then shouldn't they revert back to Mind-Muscle connection? Maybe isolate the muscle that your working out so that u don't have to do double the sets.
 
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