Important cycle question...competitors please respond!

[OKIE]

Bros,

I have a buddy who is planning on doing a show in Oct. He is 5'6" and weighs around 165lbs and is ripped already. I would say around 7-8% bf. He has never taken any kind of gear before and is very skeptical about it. He wants to put on some quality size(10-15lbs) and still have time to get ready for the show in Oct. He only eats about 2500 cals/day now so he could gain some naturally if he upped the calories too. What would you guys recommend for a first cycle given the time frame and situation? He is not big on taken shots ED, but I think he would. Cost is also a big factor here. Remember this is his first time, so no huge stack or anything. I was considering a Test/Fina combo at moderate doses, but I don't know for sure what would be best. Please...only serious and knowledgable responses. Let me know if you need any more info. Big Karma for all useful replies!

 

[muscleup]

well if your friend is really wanting to do a contest, then he needs to start thinking about getting conditioned.....Hey may be lean but I doubt he is contest ready{ripped to shreds} but maybe he can put on a few pounds of muscle and drop a few lbs of bodyfat with this....
Fina75mgs a day for 8 weeks
Suspesion @ 500-600mgs a week-8 weeks {ED}
Liquidex@1 mg a day weeks 1-8
Winny @ 50mgs a day weeks 1-8
Sorry about all the ED injections but fast acting compounds tend to be better for contest as the yield quicker results and less water retention...

 

[OKIE]

Thanks for the help...It won't take much for him to get ripped to shreds. He really just eats clean right now and he has veins all over his stomach! He is just one of those people who were blessed with good genetics for vascularity, but not size. Any other suggestions?

 

[wartime100]

I would run eq at 400mg weeks 1-8
test prop 100mg eod weeks 1-8
winny 100mg eod weeks 3-8
fina @ 150mg eod weeks 1-6(optional ,would help but not needed if this is his first cycle)
.25mg of arimidex ed for duration of the cycle. If signs of aromatization are visible up it to .5 ed but since sounds very lean
he probly isn't to gyno prone.
week nine start clomid 300mg first day frontload,100mg ed for 10 days, and 50mg ed for the final 2 weeks.

 

[OKIE]

I would run eq at 400mg weeks 1-8
test prop 100mg eod weeks 1-8
winny 100mg eod weeks 3-8
fina @ 150mg eod weeks 1-6(optional ,would help but not needed if this is his first cycle)
.25mg of arimidex ed for duration of the cycle. If signs of aromatization are visible up it to .5 ed but since sounds very lean
he probly isn't to gyno prone.
week nine start clomid 300mg first day frontload,100mg ed for 10 days, and 50mg ed for the final 2 weeks.

I appreciate the advice, but this cycle is too pricey for him. I know that it would work well, but money is definitely an issue on this one. I understand that there are a lot of stipulations to this request, but there has got to be a cheap, effective cycle out there.

 

[wartime100]

Well if got is such a big deal just get rid of the winny and sustitute it with fina. Test prop,fina,and eq are usually pretty cheap. You coul;d also get rid of the eq but it is usually good for retaining gains. Fina is one of the cheapest substances on earth to make.

 

[OKIE]

Well if got is such a big deal just get rid of the winny and sustitute it with fina. Test prop,fina,and eq are usually pretty cheap. You coul;d also get rid of the eq but it is usually good for retaining gains. Fina is one of the cheapest substances on earth to make.

Not that I am questioning your advice, but why the Prop instead of Cyp or Enanthate? Just curious the actual reason behind this. Thanks again.

 

[wartime100]

Prop retains less water than other tests. It also works fast in the case of needing to quickly prepare for competion. Also with eth, cyp,and sust you have to wait 3 weeks after your last shot before starting clomid.

 

[serge]

Bros,

I have a buddy who is planning on doing a show in Oct. He is 5'6" and weighs around 165lbs and is ripped already. I would say around 7-8% bf. He has never taken any kind of gear before and is very skeptical about it. He wants to put on some quality size(10-15lbs) and still have time to get ready for the show in Oct. He only eats about 2500 cals/day now so he could gain some naturally if he upped the calories too. What would you guys recommend for a first cycle given the time frame and situation? He is not big on taken shots ED, but I think he would. Cost is also a big factor here. Remember this is his first time, so no huge stack or anything. I was considering a Test/Fina combo at moderate doses, but I don't know for sure what would be best. Please...only serious and knowledgable responses. Let me know if you need any more info. Big Karma for all useful replies!

test 500mg/week
fina 75mg/eod

femera or arimidex 2.5mg/eod or 1mg/eod respecitvely,

perfect first cycle, anti aromatise is a must if he does not want to deal with fat gains

for bulking diet he should eat 20cals per lb of bodyweight, 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight, focus on eating mostly solid foods, using protein shakes post workout and to make up the calories only if not able to get the solid food in

 

[OKIE]

Re: Re: Important cycle question...competitors please respond!

test 500mg/week
fina 75mg/eod

femera or arimidex 2.5mg/eod or 1mg/eod respecitvely,

perfect first cycle, anti aromatise is a must if he does not want to deal with fat gains

for bulking diet he should eat 20cals per lb of bodyweight, 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight, focus on eating mostly solid foods, using protein shakes post workout and to make up the calories only if not able to get the solid food in

Thanks for the help guys...Serge, what kind of test are you recommending? What about Sust or Omnas? I can get some Omnas fairly cheap I believe. I appreciate your help.

 

[serge]

Re: Re: Re: Important cycle question...competitors please respond!

Thanks for the help guys...Serge, what kind of test are you recommending? What about Sust or Omnas? I can get some Omnas fairly cheap I believe. I appreciate your help.

any test would be good, so go with whatever is available/convenient/lest expensive, you mentioned that he wants to take the least number of injections, well omnas/sust will be ideal for his needs

 

[OKIE]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Important cycle question...competitors please respond!

any test would be good, so go with whatever is available/convenient/lest expensive, you mentioned that he wants to take the least number of injections, well omnas/sust will be ideal for his needs

Thanks for everything! Let me know if you think of anything else.

 

[bigmarco]

Are some of you guys kidding me? This guy is 165lbs, and it is his first cycle.

Most of you are recommending over 1gram a week. This is insane. Every day, and every other day injects for a first cycle. Do you guys remember the injection pain during your first cycles, injecting whil nervous with shaky hands.

He should try something simple, to see how he reacts to gear.

8 weeks
400-500mg test
400mg deca or primobolan or Eq

After the show
2 weeks dbol bridge at 10mg a day in the morning during clomid therapy.

20mg nolvadex should be enough with such a small dose of test. If he is ultra sensitive to gyny then add arimidex at .5mg eod

Good luck

 

[OKIE]

Are some of you guys kidding me? This guy is 165lbs, and it is his first cycle.

Most of you are recommending over 1gram a week. This is insane. Every day, and every other day injects for a first cycle. Do you guys remember the injection pain during your first cycles, injecting whil nervous with shaky hands.

He should try something simple, to see how he reacts to gear.

8 weeks
400-500mg test
400mg deca or primobolan or Eq

After the show
2 weeks dbol bridge at 10mg a day in the morning during clomid therapy.

20mg nolvadex should be enough with such a small dose of test. If he is ultra sensitive to gyny then add arimidex at .5mg eod

Good luck

Thanks for the reply...I would tend to agree with you. He is 25 and has been lifting consistently for years now. I believe he has reached or almost reached his natural potential. I think he could gain some weight by upping his carbs, but not too much more. He would lose a lot of vascularity in the process. I like the Tren/Test combo at low doses. If I can get him over the frequency of shots, he might go for it. One question...Can you mix any of the tests, including the Sust, in the same syringe with the Tren? I thought you could, but wanted to double check.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Absolutely Prop/tren. I'd say75mg each ED. Winny would be nice if he could afford it. Anastrozole or fermara would be needed.

 

[jc21]

well if he is as much of an ectomorph as you say he is then i would go for a bulking cycle like 500mg/wk test and 400mg/wk deca for 10 weeks so he can put on a good amount of muscle....and he will from that stack.

or 8-9 weeks out from the show he can start any combo of eq, fina, winny, prop. which will all be good to take up to a week of the show. halotestin is also and excellent addition 4 weeks out cause of the harding ablilities and can be taken all the way up to the show because there is no water retention.

but you said above that he is hesitant....so i really dont think he should do it. you have to be 100% sure about this.

 

[OKIE]

well if he is as much of an ectomorph as you say he is then i would go for a bulking cycle like 500mg/wk test and 400mg/wk deca for 10 weeks so he can put on a good amount of muscle....and he will from that stack.

or 8-9 weeks out from the show he can start any combo of eq, fina, winny, prop. which will all be good to take up to a week of the show. halotestin is also and excellent addition 4 weeks out cause of the harding ablilities and can be taken all the way up to the show because there is no water retention.

but you said above that he is hesitant....so i really dont think he should do it. you have to be 100% sure about this.

Thanks for the posts guys...He is not really an ectomorph...he just stays lean all of the time. He is pretty short and has good strength. If you saw him you would sware he has down a cycle of something before. He really wants to do it, but has never done any drugs before. I don't think it would have been a problem for him if gear wasn't getting so much negative publicity as of late. So you think the Prop/Tren for about 8 weeks up until the week of the show would be good? If he went with a tren/enanthate or cyp, how many weeks before the show would he need to end? He will be running Arimidex with whatever he does. Thanks again to all.

 

[OKIE]

I got to bump this for more info...especially this question:

If he went with a tren/enanthate or cyp stack, how many weeks before the show would he need to end? He will be running Arimidex with this.

 

[OKIE]

Another shameless bump for answer to last question.