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IM vs. SubQ injections with GH
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monkeyballs
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Delete the other identical post.
GH is to be injected Sub-q only. No advantage from IM.
GH is to be injected Sub-q only. No advantage from IM.
actually ironmaster (i believe it was) had been talking about IM injections for a certian gh several months ago.. he was (or whom ever it was) going to give it a try and post the results. i never heard/read back from it.
like i said it could have been someone else. it was a long time ago and i have forgotten the reasoning for doing so.
it works great sub-q and i can't see any really added bang going the IM route.
run a search and you may find the post. but like i said, it was several months back and might be hard to find.
like i said it could have been someone else. it was a long time ago and i have forgotten the reasoning for doing so.
it works great sub-q and i can't see any really added bang going the IM route.
run a search and you may find the post. but like i said, it was several months back and might be hard to find.
crimson coal
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It might have been MOD that was doing that. I have been curious about that also. I have been taking sub-q but would like results on a Intra-M cycle.
monkeyballs
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Why would IM injections have any advantage with a drug that is designed to be injected sub-q?
If it doesn't offer any clear advantage then why go through the process when its not needed?
I'd love to hear what IM and MOD have to say about this. I'll get myself some 1 1/2 25'g pins if its worth it.
If it doesn't offer any clear advantage then why go through the process when its not needed?
I'd love to hear what IM and MOD have to say about this. I'll get myself some 1 1/2 25'g pins if its worth it.
Site injecting GH itself is impossible to cause localized muscle Growth.......
somatropin in and of it's self is not DIRECTLY anabolic, for example, if you were to expose a muscle strand or cell to somatropin "in vitro" there would be ZERO anabolic activity at that muscle cell or strand.........
somatropin exerts it's effects though several other well known and not so well known hormones and factors..........two well known ones would be IGF-1 and various prostaglandins.......now on the other hand if you were to expose IGF-1 directly to a muscle cell there would be IMMEDIATE anabolic activity.......
the reason for sub Q injections of GH is for this exact reason..........sub Q is metabolized more slowly than IM injections, and this prolongs the effect of the various hormone and factor release's.........as the GH is metabolized and destroyed by the liver it causes a reaction which basically leads to the release of mainly IGF-1 which happens to be the main anabolic hormone involved in the process..........if you were to inject IM this whole process would occur faster, and therefore shorten the already short half-life of GH...........
hope this makes sense and clears some things up.................
somatropin in and of it's self is not DIRECTLY anabolic, for example, if you were to expose a muscle strand or cell to somatropin "in vitro" there would be ZERO anabolic activity at that muscle cell or strand.........
somatropin exerts it's effects though several other well known and not so well known hormones and factors..........two well known ones would be IGF-1 and various prostaglandins.......now on the other hand if you were to expose IGF-1 directly to a muscle cell there would be IMMEDIATE anabolic activity.......
the reason for sub Q injections of GH is for this exact reason..........sub Q is metabolized more slowly than IM injections, and this prolongs the effect of the various hormone and factor release's.........as the GH is metabolized and destroyed by the liver it causes a reaction which basically leads to the release of mainly IGF-1 which happens to be the main anabolic hormone involved in the process..........if you were to inject IM this whole process would occur faster, and therefore shorten the already short half-life of GH...........
hope this makes sense and clears some things up.................
Not to be contrary here, but the most recent studies show just the opposite. IM injections were metabilized slower, not faster than SQ. But the serum concentrations were higher SQ, so that probably would still favor subcutaneous. I am trying IM injects of GH with slow insulins to see if better results can be noticed from the longer duration of the process. Still too soon for a opinion.
Also, IGF 1 through 5 must already be present for GH work in synergy. Now 17aa steroids do cause a release of insulin growth factors on the first pass through the liver and are recommended in a GH/insulin/steroid cycle. Exogenous GH, on the other hand, supresses IGF-1 release......one of our defense mechanisms to acromeglia.
Also, IGF 1 through 5 must already be present for GH work in synergy. Now 17aa steroids do cause a release of insulin growth factors on the first pass through the liver and are recommended in a GH/insulin/steroid cycle. Exogenous GH, on the other hand, supresses IGF-1 release......one of our defense mechanisms to acromeglia.
