I'm not buying all these WTC conspiracy ideas

[WODIN]

Just to add some to frackals point number 3....

In August there were massive amounts of weapontry and troop vehicles being moved to Dover over rail. You couldn't miss it, you would be blind if you did.

Dover AFB is like the grand central station of the east coast for military activity in the movement of logistical and infrastructure equipment you need to fight a war.

If the military isn't planning something big then Dover is pretty quite.

It was a zoo in August.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

i'm not sure....

No, the government doesn't have to dumb down the info, anybody can comprehend basics. It's called education. We can be taught. If we can build and create robots, etc, we can dissect information.

I prefer to dig and research everything I can.


I have a question for you Tx neighbor.........

Do you support the military tribunals ordered by Bush?

And why if you don't or do?

your inquisitive nature is definately not reflective of the general public. most people do not want to think. they want to go through their days on a routine schedule. its much easier to watch the news, accept it as gospel and then forget about it and watch seinfeld.

i can see both sides of the military tribunal argument. i would never want to jeopordize our national security under any circumstances. i cant understand why non citizens are entilted to our constitutional rights. i would rather see them tried in a closed, non public courtroom by the united nations, so that there is some checks and balances involved.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

frackel,

you have some good points, i have no doubt we dont have all the facts on the wtc attack. i believe the fourth plane was shot down, but not that the govt staged the attack at the expense of thousands of civilian lives. you need to discuss the matter with someone in the military because i definately dont have answers. please describe a possible mind control scenario that could have been used for the attacks. i'm interested to see how plausable it is.

if the govt was going to stage it, why announce plans to invade months earlier? just to look suspicios? why not keep their mouth shut until it happens?

also, who exactly, do you believe is involved in planning the attacks? the cia? OBL? the president? where does the "true" knowledge stop? do colin powell and tommy franks know the "truth"? what about officers under their command? a conspiracy this magnitude must start at the top but where does it stop?

there are many coincidences and question marks. but what about all the similairities to the bible or nostradomas (sp)? many people believe judgement day is coming and can point out literary evidence to support their claims. there was even the pic of the devil in the smoke that is pretty undeniable. put all their arguments and evidence together and you have a strong case. but you probably blow them off as crazy despite the fact that you cant answer their questions. because you dont have all the facts, you have thought of some good questions and arguments that i cant answer because i dont have all the facts either.


btw, do you work at gnc? i do. its great, cheap supps while i'm in school, easy money and you get to help people with their training and diets.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Re: i'm not sure....

your inquisitive nature is definately not reflective of the general public. most people do not want to think. they want to go through their days on a routine schedule. its much easier to watch the news, accept it as gospel and then forget about it and watch seinfeld.

i can see both sides of the military tribunal argument. i would never want to jeopordize our national security under any circumstances. i cant understand why non citizens are entilted to our constitutional rights. i would rather see them tried in a closed, non public courtroom by the united nations, so that there is some checks and balances involved.

You're right. The freedom we have, gives us the opportunity to question publicly anything, or anybody. The people you speak of, I call that mentality
routine, a sheep mentality. I'm anything but routine, except with my training and work. Everything else is outside the box.

Please participate in the tribunal thread/poll, being posted later, I like the angles you offer in your posts. the tribunal thread will definitely make you think about what Frackal is saying here.

 

[spongebob]

i wanna play a game.

i am a sheep, part of the flock. i blindly follow the U.S. govt.
i believe that the al-qaeda and its leader osama bin laden, along with other terrorist groups perpetrated the attacks on the world trade center, without the U.S. having any prior knowledge what so ever.

this is the story that has been fed to me.

for you non-sheeples(or self-proclaimed thinkers), you must provide any evidence that contradicts my opinion.
no emotional outburst, just FACTS. FACTS.
it must be something you would present to a court of law.
i will respond in kind.

 

[gymnpoppa]

i wanna play a game.

i am a sheep, part of the flock. i blindly follow the U.S. govt.
i believe that the al-qaeda and its leader osama bin laden, along with other terrorist groups perpetrated the attacks on the world trade center, without the U.S. having any prior knowledge what so ever.

this is the story that has been fed to me.

for you non-sheeples(or self-proclaimed thinkers), you must provide any evidence that contradicts my opinion.
no emotional outburst, just FACTS. FACTS.
it must be something you would present to a court of law.
i will respond in kind.

I'm compiling as much factual info, as I can. Only for you though, even though I don't think you're a sheep.....what is going on with you? We don't talk/debate much anymore......you moderate......

I promise to send you as many links, or research bits as I can. I'm spending a bit of time with some family/friends who work on Capitol hill. Lifers they are......some things they (classified) won't tell me, but I'll share it with you.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Not to side with the government, but they made sure to cover that angle......they said the hostages turned off all the transponders, so no air traffic controllers knew where they were. However, they seemed to know that the 4th plane turned around, and also when the plane that hit the Pentagon, also turned. Hmmmmmm, how could they know, if they didn't know?


I'm still not believing the last crash was an accident. There are two witnesses there was an explosion......but they were discounted as being in shock.

 

[Frackal]

I have to leave now but DOT is right to a point.

I do not believe "the Government" orchestrated the attacks.

I believe that it is POSSIBLE, from my previous knowleadge in this area, and the very frightening parallels I see with this situation and the JFK assassination for example, that certain parts of the government and private sector, (not always seperate entities), may have had a little or a lot to do with what happened.


At the very least, I believe that this was ALLOWED to happen, and if you think that's a fringe idea, read the other thread again. There is PROOF, not theory, but PROOF that Pearl Harbor and the rest were allowed to happen to rally support for a war.

I have to leave now but I'll post more later...one thing that is difficult to believe but must be kept in mind is that we are no different than anyone else throughout history, and this type of evil has happened many times before.

 

[rushx79]

Not to side with the government, but they made sure to cover that angle......they said the hostages turned off all the transponders, so no air traffic controllers knew where they were. However, they seemed to know that the 4th plane turned around, and also when the plane that hit the Pentagon, also turned. Hmmmmmm, how could they know, if they didn't know?

because eyewitnesses on the ground saw a big plane turn around. also, i dont believe they turned off the transponders right away.

 

[Frackal]

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