I'm not buying all these WTC conspiracy ideas

[Immortal Juicer]

I think the govt conspiracy story has many more holes in it than the "official" story. someone on those planes was willing to die for a cause. deceptive, power hungry people dont want to die. citizens are questioning the issue of trial and indidvidual rights. i dont think the govt staged the embassy and uss cole attacks. who exactly, and how many people staged the attack? 100? 1,000? 10,000?

if they wanted to, they could have made up a much better story to justify attacking afgan. the largest attack in american history is going to draw some serious domestic and international attention and people are going to scrutinize, disect and debate the attack in many countries for many years. just make up some bullshit about the taliban financing terrorists, being responsible for the other attacks and withholding oil. people dont know shit about it anyway and probably wont ask questions. now its a deeply personal issue for all americans.

secrets are much harder to keep today in the information age that they were in the 1930's. there are simply too many things that could go wrong with a staged attack of that magnitude.

is the govt taking advantage of the attacks by using them as a justification to invade afgan? probably. but i highly, highly doubt the govt would do something so awful to its own citizens, or even be able to pull it off if they tried.

we dont know all the facts. analyzing the facts we do have along with speculating about what we dont know can lead to all sorts of conclusions.

if you do post essays or statements regarding a conspiracy please cite a reference. dont get me wrong, i love debating the different ideas, but if these writers feel strongly enough to write a two page declaration of a us govt conspiracy, they should put their name on it.

 

[Frackal]

Couple points:

1. It's doubtful the actual terrorists were 'power hungry people'...trust me, I am sure there are many ways to get people to do what they did....for one, if you really want to look at this from both point of views, do some research on mind control, manchurian canidates, mk-ultra/delta, brain implants, Sirhan Sirhan, Oswald, Mark David Chapman, etc... and don't role your eyes in skeptisim until you can honestly tell me you've researched and read up on this subject, it will shock you beyond believe I guarantee.

2. The assassination of JFK was obviously a conspiracy, and at least as and probably more major an event than the WTC, yet we still have no answers though it's likely that the CIA/Military-Industrial Complex/possible Mafia, all groups who have collarborated before, (ex: assassination attempts on castro) were involved.

3. We planned to invade afghanistan in October. WTC happens in September. We invade in October as planned.

4. Read up more on the assassinations of JFK, RFK, John Lennon, and tell me you don't see striking and very disturbing similiarites to the way the evidence is revealed, the way all alledged perpetrators of these acts called vast attention to themselves, the way they are blamed literally IMMEDIATELY after the incidents.

5. A perfect conspiracy is one that no one knows about or suspects. A more likely scenario for something of this magnitude is people questioning certain facts, finding a motive, finding many discrepancies...exactly what is happening here...

6. The goal is not just the invasion of afghanistan...we just traded away many of our constitutional rights due to being 'afraid.' Patriotism is at an all-time high, people are literally being fired for critisizing the government. Bush's approval ratings are through the roof, Bush's oil buddies benefit because now the pipeline will be built, money by more of Bush's buddies, the M-I Complex will be made in excess, no one is focusing on domestic problems, the media has everyone whipped into a mad frenzy over the Evil Empire of Afghanistan and Osama Bin Goldstein....holy shit, sounds disturbingly like "1984.." which of course in itself was a warning from the former head of British Intelligence, Mr. George Orwell.

Don't be so quick to discount it all my friend, look at history, this is nothing more than a repeat...

 

[gymnpoppa]

I agree, everything is too neat, or seems to be, but if you really dig, there are a few discrepancies/cracks that if you look closely.


I'm meeting up with some friends/family who work on Capitol hill. They can't tell me everything, but from some of the things they've told me in the past, it damn sure fits. And these people don't read newspapers, or talk to media. So, they're either great storytellers, or they're privy to some fucked up shit.


Are you aware that our government sprayed chemical weapons on a Navy ship full of sailors? And the hearings just finished a few weeks ago?

Of course, you're never get anybody guilty to admit a thing...they will take it to their graves. You're talking about some stuff that would turn a nation against the current structure of our government.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I'm not buying all these WTC conspiracy ideas

Good for you! You could'nt afford them anyways!

 

[gymnpoppa]

if you do post essays or statements regarding a conspiracy please cite a reference. dont get me wrong, i love debating the different ideas, but if these writers feel strongly enough to write a two page declaration of a us govt conspiracy, they should put their name on it.

I wouldn't put my name on anything criticizing the government....the way they can manufacture cases......you've got to be kidding. What I'd like to see happen, is enough American citizens open their eyes, and just say....wait a minute, something isn't right.....and hold the government accountable. Since they'll just deny it, you'd have to vote them out......they have too much power.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I wouldn't put my name on anything criticizing the government....the way they can manufacture cases......you've got to be kidding. What I'd like to see happen, is enough American citizens open their eyes, and just say....wait a minute, something isn't right.....and hold the government accountable. Since they'll just deny it, you'd have to vote them out......they have too much power.

One word "SHEEP" no pun intended!

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Couple points:

1. It's doubtful the actual terrorists were 'power hungry people'...trust me, I am sure there are many ways to get people to do what they did....for one, if you really want to look at this from both point of views, do some research on mind control, manchurian canidates, mk-ultra/delta, brain implants, Sirhan Sirhan, Oswald, Mark David Chapman, etc... and don't role your eyes in skeptisim until you can honestly tell me you've researched and read up on this subject, it will shock you beyond believe I guarantee.

anyone that could convince someone they should fly a plane into the WTC killing themselves and thousands of others could not have staged the attack because they would be too busy convincing playmates and supermodels they should fuck. (mabye hugh heffner planned it) no i havent researched it though. where can i? i doubt that it is a complex mind control experiment by the CIA, OBL, al-queda, and thousands of muslims.

2. The assassination of JFK was obviously a conspiracy, and at least as and probably more major an event than the WTC, yet we still have no answers though it's likely that the CIA/Military-Industrial Complex/possible Mafia, all groups who have collarborated before, (ex: assassination attempts on castro) were involved.

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the WTC attacks killed thousands, were broadcast on live tv, left thousands unemployed, cost the country billions, affected the economies and governments of all major nations in the word, and led to a war. the jfk assasination did not. getting away with murder isnt that hard. hell, oj killed two people but i dont think the could pull off the wtc attack.

3. We planned to invade afghanistan in October. WTC happens in September. We invade in October as planned.

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true, mabye the govt is capitalizing on the opprutunity. i dont remember any objections to the invasion. the govt didnt need a national attack to justify the gulf war to its citizens.

4. Read up more on the assassinations of JFK, RFK, John Lennon, and tell me you don't see striking and very disturbing similiarites to the way the evidence is revealed, the way all alledged perpetrators of these acts called vast attention to themselves, the way they are blamed literally IMMEDIATELY after the incidents.
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the assasination of jfk doesnt compare to the wtc attacks. the only thing they have in common is that all the facts are unknown and therefore open to limitless speculation.

5. A perfect conspiracy is one that no one knows about or suspects. A more likely scenario for something of this magnitude is people questioning certain facts, finding a motive, finding many discrepancies...exactly what is happening here... [/B]

finally, who exactly would do this, why would they do it, and who would it benefit. is there some group of secret men who are all in on this? mabye bill gates, donald trump and tommy lee planned it so that they could continue making billions and fucking the hottest chicks!


thanks for the great discussion frackel

 

[Immortal Juicer]

I agree, everything is too neat, or seems to be, but if you really dig, there are a few discrepancies/cracks that if you look closely.

i'm sure the govt has to "dumb down" the info for the public. if someone cant understand why they need clomid after a cycle i doubt they will grasp the myriad of factors that lead to international, global conflict. people want things to be simple. example:

what caused the civil war?

SLAVERY!!!!

 

[gymnpoppa]

i'm sure the govt has to "dumb down" the info for the public. if someone cant understand why they need clomid after a cycle i doubt they will grasp the myriad of factors that lead to international, global conflict. people want things to be simple. example:

what caused the civil war?

SLAVERY!!!!

No, the government doesn't have to dumb down the info, anybody can comprehend basics. It's called education. We can be taught. If we can build and create robots, etc, we can dissect information.

I prefer to dig and research everything I can.


I have a question for you Tx neighbor.........

Do you support the military tribunals ordered by Bush?

And why if you don't or do?

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Re: Re: I'm not buying all these WTC conspiracy ideas

I wouldn't put my name on anything criticizing the government....the way they can manufacture cases......you've got to be kidding. What I'd like to see happen, is enough American citizens open their eyes, and just say....wait a minute, something isn't right.....and hold the government accountable. Since they'll just deny it, you'd have to vote them out......they have too much power.

if the govt could stage the wtc attack, i doubt they would have much trouble tracking your computer and making you disappear. you would be safer putting your name on it because people would know who you were if you mysteriously disappeared.