I'm lost on AI's

[O1s480]

I'm a little confused when it comes to AI's. I constantly see conflicting information that says to wait for sides before taking, or to take them along side a cycle.

If AI's simply prevent test converting to estrogen why wouldn't you want to take it on cycle? I've need comments like "don't take until sides appear! You guys forget how powerful these things are. Some estrogen is needed to gain".

I understand estrogen is needed to gain and the idea is just to keep your estrogen from going to high. But if it isn't destroying the estrogen, only preventing it from increasing, why wouldn't you take once your test has started to peak? What's the point in waiting for sides to show?

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[Zyglamail]

I'm a little confused when it comes to AI's. I constantly see conflicting information that says to wait for sides before taking, or to take them along side a cycle.

If AI's simply prevent test converting to estrogen why wouldn't you want to take it on cycle? I've need comments like "don't take until sides appear! You guys forget how powerful these things are. Some estrogen is needed to gain".

I understand estrogen is needed to gain and the idea is just to keep your estrogen from going to high. But if it isn't destroying the estrogen, only preventing it from increasing, why wouldn't you take once your test has started to peak? What's the point in waiting for sides to show?

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I call bullshit on anyone who waits for symptoms or cautions against their use. We see posts here everyday from guys crying they need a bra. Yes, you want some estrogen, but too much is far worse.

Just how much AI thats needed varies a bit from person to person but posting your planned AAS doses here and you can get a good idea of how much AI to start with. Then a few weeks in get labs done and adjust accordingly.

If you wait until E has become a problem then your fucked cause AI's dont do anything for the excess E thats already built up in your system.

There are a lot of people who can get buy having 2-4X the amount of normal E a man should have without problems but most cant. And even some who have gotten away with it in the past have come here crying they got gyno when in the past they never used an AI.

Let labwork be your guide and keep your E in normal range for men. Anything else is just foolish.

 

[O1s480]

I call bullshit on anyone who waits for symptoms or cautions against their use. We see posts here everyday from guys crying they need a bra. Yes, you want some estrogen, but too much is far worse.

Just how much AI thats needed varies a bit from person to person but posting your planned AAS doses here and you can get a good idea of how much AI to start with. Then a few weeks in get labs done and adjust accordingly.

If you wait until E has become a problem then your fucked cause AI's dont do anything for the excess E thats already built up in your system.

There are a lot of people who can get buy having 2-4X the amount of normal E a man should have without problems but most cant. And even some who have gotten away with it in the past have come here crying they got gyno when in the past they never used an AI.

Let labwork be your guide and keep your E in normal range for men. Anything else is just foolish.

Lol those were my thoughts exactly. I'm still researching a bit, but it just sounds dumb not to jump on it.

But how does the estrogen currently in your body work? For instance, does it naturally decrease over time? Because that's the only reason I could see it being ideal to not jump on an AI. If you block all conversation and it naturally decreases from there, your estrogen could be gone by the end of the cycle... I have no idea if that's how estrogen works though, any insight?

But like you said, let blood work guide you. If it ever got too low for some reason I could always stop the AI right?

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[matter2003]

I call bullshit on anyone who waits for symptoms or cautions against their use. We see posts here everyday from guys crying they need a bra. Yes, you want some estrogen, but too much is far worse.

Just how much AI thats needed varies a bit from person to person but posting your planned AAS doses here and you can get a good idea of how much AI to start with. Then a few weeks in get labs done and adjust accordingly.

If you wait until E has become a problem then your fucked cause AI's dont do anything for the excess E thats already built up in your system.

There are a lot of people who can get buy having 2-4X the amount of normal E a man should have without problems but most cant. And even some who have gotten away with it in the past have come here crying they got gyno when in the past they never used an AI.

Let labwork be your guide and keep your E in normal range for men. Anything else is just foolish.

No, but you could take high doses of DIM that quicken the removal of the excess estrogen...

 

[Zyglamail]

No, but you could take high doses of DIM that quicken the removal of the excess estrogen...

Sure ya can and calcium D glucarate works well with DIM as well but chances are by the time you "feel" symptoms of high E your 3-4x over range and very well could suffer permanent sides by the time DIM/CDG+AI gets things under control. Why gamble when its so easy to just deal with up front?

 

[matter2003]

Sure ya can and calcium D glucarate works well with DIM as well but chances are by the time you "feel" symptoms of high E your 3-4x over range and very well could suffer permanent sides by the time DIM/CDG+AI gets things under control. Why gamble when its so easy to just deal with up front?

Definitely not disagreeing with you...

 

[ALIN]

IMO I think you should use your AIs starting day 1 of the cycle to prevent any
issues from ever occurring.

 

[dylangemelli]

im sorry but i will NEVER run a cycle without using an ai... i am a bit sensitive to estrogen but why even risk it? why would you even put the possibility of getting something as terrible as gyno out there? as long as you are not abusing the dosage, you are not going to crush estrogen... aromasin has many other benefits as well... even putting the slightest risk out there makes no sense to me whatsoever... you should just run it from the start and that's the stance i have always had... i even run one when i am running things that don't convert because even though they don't convert to estrogen, sometimes hormones just cause strange things to happen... you just never know and especially if your prone, its just not wise... also... even when running things that don't convert, there's the possibility of rebound so it's very wise to use aromasin in pct, on top of the fact it also raises igf levels, which you definitely want in pct...

 

[O1s480]

im sorry but i will NEVER run a cycle without using an ai... i am a bit sensitive to estrogen but why even risk it? why would you even put the possibility of getting something as terrible as gyno out there? as long as you are not abusing the dosage, you are not going to crush estrogen... aromasin has many other benefits as well... even putting the slightest risk out there makes no sense to me whatsoever... you should just run it from the start and that's the stance i have always had... i even run one when i am running things that don't convert because even though they don't convert to estrogen, sometimes hormones just cause strange things to happen... you just never know and especially if your prone, its just not wise... also... even when running things that don't convert, there's the possibility of rebound so it's very wise to use aromasin in pct, on top of the fact it also raises igf levels, which you definitely want in pct...

Thanks man. That was my insight the whole time reading about AI's. It just doesn't make sense to me why people say to wait until sides start showing. If it doesn't kill estrogen and just prevents it from increasing it just seems logical to take it along side any cycle.

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