I'm going to be controversial here and ask, your opinion.

[redguru]

All you copy and pasted, columbia58, is vaild, but it was slavery, not geography that was making the division in congress, even in the territories.
My post was a very very general summary, but it boiled down to slavey, something the poor guys fighting and dying, didn't own.


Oh, it washes just fine...
If we were to compare examples of people getting out of fighting in wars. buy using family influence or money, as comapared to common men who had to fight as conscripts, I'd out number your examples 17693726592 to 1. Those are good exceptions, but exceptions don't set a standard to disassemble a argument.

I redded all you homos back.

Here is why i gave you red.

When I hear stories like that, It's American soldiers doing the dragging and rapping.

Really nice thing to say on the Fourth of July when there are soldiers who volunteered dying so you can say ludicrous thing like that on a bulletin board.

nah, it's about money. power words sell the fairytail to the poor lower class schmoes that gotta do the fighting and dying.

Our army today is all-volunteer. Not a single soldier today is a conscript. You said people with money don't serve, I showed you three people in a matter of minutes, who all could have opted out of service but did, and were scarred or killed for it.

For me, the Navy was a pathway to college, I served in the First Gulf War without hesitation of reservation. Why, do you ask? Because I swore I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

 

[Lumberg]

The only point I am trying to make is that the selfless service is what deserves recognition; we shouldn't withold our highest accolades until a person is dead.

However to people who don't see it that way, I understand sometimes it takes the tragedy fo death to really bring home what it's all about.

 

[HiDnGoD]

I served in the Canadian Armed Forces in the early eighties. I joined because I had no direction in life, my Great Uncle had been an armoured soldier in WWII and my best friend had just joined.
I served proudly, I learned discipline & perseverence. When the political situation in Europe went for a shit (beginning of the end for USSR), & bases were getting car bombed I never once thought about the motivation of the people doing these things. I never once thought about quitting.
One time, sitting in our tanks, in the trees, in the middle of the Schwarzwald, (with a full loadout which had never been done before) all I remember thinking was, I hope I can help my friends stay alive & make my family proud.
I have the greatest respect for everyone in Uniform today. It's not an easy thing.

A soldier or cop is a special circumstance because they are the ones protecting you. Sure it's their job, but it's a special job, a miserable job, & you have to respect that they died so you could live. So you're not speaking another language (unvoluntarily), your kids aren't inundated even more with drugs rapists. etc.

Think of it this way. Somewhere out there there is a shady character that wants your son to stick a needle in his veins, & wants to put his ****in your daughter's *****. There's a guy that wants to kill us all because we don't believe in the same God, or have too successful an economy.

These people are the only thing stopping them.

 

[Mr. dB]

Our army today is all-volunteer. Not a single soldier today is a conscript.

Oh, so all those reservists and guys who are still serving even though their contracts are up, are there of their own free will?

 

[redguru]

Read your contractual clauses, those reservists when finished with thier active reserve time, have to complete a period of inactive time. Sucks that they ended their tour during time of conflict but....

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Here is why i gave you red.

It's cool. I'll trade red with my 89 vs your 11 any day

Really nice thing to say on the Fourth of July when there are soldiers who volunteered dying so you can say ludicrous thing like that on a bulletin board.

LOL. More where that came from. I hate everybody

Our army today is all-volunteer. Not a single soldier today is a conscript. You said people with money don't serve, I showed you three people in a matter of minutes, who all could have opted out of service but did, and were scarred or killed for it.

Today didn't/doesn't change what happened yesterday.
Ofcourse people with money can serve, if they want to... but every one on that list coulda bought their way out, not fought, and enjoyed the same freedom as everyone else without fighting, or even putting their martini down...

For me, the Navy was a pathway to college, I served in the First Gulf War without hesitation of reservation. Why, do you ask? Because I swore I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I hear the Boy Scouts spew the same shit

 

[from zero]

I don't think death is tragic at all, regardless of who it is.

Smartest guy on the thread.

 

[Mr. dB]

I don't think death is tragic at all, regardless of who it is.

Yeah, human life is one of the cheapest commodities on this planet.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Yeah, human life is one of the cheapest commodities on this planet.

I agree. There is so many, I don't see why people get in a dissy when a few thousand die here and there. If you didn't know them, who cares?
Shit loads of people die every day; old age, cancer, car wrecks, war, etc.... lose the emotion and think with logic, human life is not worth a whole lot.
With regards to over population in some areas, human life can have a negitive value.

 

[gonelifting]

Life is all an illusion. People tend to be swayed in different directions and to different actions by these illusions.