IGF - Would you do it?

[dugie65]

After all the information released about the compound, would you still consider doing IGF with all the risks involved?

According to some research there is a property which allows it to alter genes controlling a lot of terminal illness diseases, just wondering if any one else has considered it but turned it down after looking at all the health risks?

Cost aside, I was willing to start up a cycle but I didnt want to put myself in that kind of long term danger... any one else feel this way?

 

[i am what i am]

used it, love it, and using it now.

 

[dugie65]

used it, love it, and using it now.

any other changes besides muslce mass?

How is storing/mixing/keeping it (it seems like a pretty delicate compound) ?

 

[Prizz]

After all the information released about the compound, would you still consider doing IGF with all the risks involved?

According to some research there is a property which allows it to alter genes controlling a lot of terminal illness diseases, just wondering if any one else has considered it but turned it down after looking at all the health risks?

Cost aside, I was willing to start up a cycle but I didnt want to put myself in that kind of long term danger... any one else feel this way?

What studies you talking about that is alters genes? I've seen a study where it can speed up cancerous growths, but not alter genes that control terminal illness..... Can you post these studies?

rizz

 

[dugie65]

What studies you talking about that is alters genes? I've seen a study where it can speed up cancerous growths, but not alter genes that control terminal illness..... Can you post these studies?

rizz

speeding up the growth of tumors is correct mainly because IGF does not know the difference between muscle cells, organ cells, tumor cells... etc.

It sounds like an extremely powerful drug...

Give me a second I will try to find the study or at least the site I got it from...

 

[i am what i am]

speeding up the growth of tumors is correct mainly because IGF does not know the difference between muscle cells, organ cells, tumor cells... etc.

It sounds like an extremely powerful drug...

Give me a second I will try to find the study or at least the site I got it from...

They haven't solidified any of these accusations. If this were true, HGH would cause the same thing to happen since it basically stimulates IGF production. DR's would not put their clientale on this for hrt's knowing that IGF could cause cancer cells to grow. These are all just possibilities.

 

[i am what i am]

any other changes besides muslce mass?

How is storing/mixing/keeping it (it seems like a pretty delicate compound) ?

increase in vascularity
increase in muscle mass
increase in strength
better quality sleep

i used acetic acid to reconstitute it. store it in the fridge. no problems. don't shake it or drop it.

 

[dugie65]

They haven't solidified any of these accusations. If this were true, HGH would cause the same thing to happen since it basically stimulates IGF production. DR's would not put their clientale on this for hrt's knowing that IGF could cause cancer cells to grow. These are all just possibilities.

Doctors are perscribing IGF now?

I didn't know the medical community had a hold of the drug yet?

 

[Prizz]

Doctors are perscribing IGF now?

I didn't know the medical community had a hold of the drug yet?

No, he was refferring to HGH....

 

[i am what i am]

No, he was refferring to HGH....

thank you.

 

[dugie65]

thank you.

But theoretically if IGF causes cell replication/production in every form then if one had an existing tumor it would cause it to grow. Whether or not it is malignant is the issue but the tumor would grow along with every thing else.

 

[LT3]

it CAN speed up cancer growth ONLY IF you have it. it will NOT cause cancer. and yes i would use it, but at 200mcgs and up. lower than that its not worth it IMO.

 

[dugie65]

it CAN speed up cancer growth ONLY IF you have it. it will NOT cause cancer. and yes i would use it, but at 200mcgs and up. lower than that its not worth it IMO.

So the genetic altering properties are limited to non-cancerous genes?

At 200mcg per day??? Are you crazy?

 

[i am what i am]

But theoretically if IGF causes cell replication/production in every form then if one had an existing tumor it would cause it to grow. Whether or not it is malignant is the issue but the tumor would grow along with every thing else.

theoretically, yes. but they have yet to document any cases regarding this, thus, it is all theory. and yes, theoretically, hgh would do the same.

but you would need to have a tumor already

 

[dugie65]

theoretically, yes. but they have yet to document any cases regarding this, thus, it is all theory. and yes, theoretically, hgh would do the same.

but you would need to have a tumor already

It's too bad the drug is so new... we have nothing to go off of other than speculation.

 

[Prizz]

I agree that 200mcg per day is a bit extreeme, but to each his own..... Personally I have only done a 50mcg per day cycle, cause it was all I could afford at the time..... I have a PCT coming up, where I'll be doing 100mcg per day, so I'm looking foward to it..... If youre comfortable doing HGH, I don't see why IGF would scare ya.....

rizz

 

[dugie65]

I agree that 200mcg per day is a bit extreeme, but to each his own..... Personally I have only done a 50mcg per day cycle, cause it was all I could afford at the time..... I have a PCT coming up, where I'll be doing 100mcg per day, so I'm looking foward to it..... If youre comfortable doing HGH, I don't see why IGF would scare ya.....

rizz

IGF just seems a bit more extreme. Sure HGH increases IGF levels, but using the pure IGF compound just scares me a bit if you know what I mean.

I am looking to do 40mcg per day for 50 days or 80mcg per day for 4 weeks.

I do not need the gut to increase(currently at 26'' waist) mainly because it would look disproportional to my body type.

 

[i am what i am]

It's too bad the drug is so new... we have nothing to go off of other than speculation.

lot of guys taking the stuff. thats basically how all the information comes about. trial and error bro.

 

[Beachboy6294]

If I could afford it I would give it a shot!

 

[dugie65]

If I could afford it I would give it a shot!

If you know where to look it's really not too bad. About as affordable as a Test E cycle.

 

[Beachboy6294]

If you know where to look it's really not too bad. About as affordable as a Test E cycle.

I must not know where to look because I haven't seen it anywhere close to a Test E cycle unless your doing like a gram a WK!

 

[i am what i am]

I must not know where to look because I haven't seen it anywhere close to a Test E cycle unless your doing like a gram a WK!

hahaha...poor guy

 

[dugie65]

any one else with personal experiences concerning IGF-1 LR3?

 

[Roc86]

most run it 4 weeks on, 4 off. Not any longer than that ... correct me if im wrong.

 

[dugie65]

most run it 4 weeks on, 4 off. Not any longer than that ... correct me if im wrong.

I have read that it's effectiveness starts to drop at about the 4-5 week mark, but not many people have tried the low dosage for long periods route.

 

[Prizz]

I must not know where to look because I haven't seen it anywhere close to a Test E cycle unless your doing like a gram a WK!

Yeah, me neither..... If you got a cheap source, can you hook some brothers up? It's not illegal or anything, so I don't see a problem.... PM if you can bro.... Thanks....

rizz

 

[dugie65]

Yeah, me neither..... If you got a cheap source, can you hook some brothers up? It's not illegal or anything, so I don't see a problem.... PM if you can bro.... Thanks....

rizz

unfortunately most sources who sell IGF sell other products as well...

 

[taoiron]

I run it at 40-60mcg in conjunction with AAS. Standard 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

I bump that to 100-120mcg during PCT.

 

[Prizz]

unfortunately most sources who sell IGF sell other products as well...

Yeah I see your point.....

 

[dugie65]

I run it at 40-60mcg in conjunction with AAS. Standard 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

I bump that to 100-120mcg during PCT.

Would running it alone at 60-80mcg not be enough?

 

[Roc86]

That would be fine bro. Its common knowledge not to exceed 150 a day.

 

[taoiron]

Would running it alone at 60-80mcg not be enough?

There is a ton of debate on that issue…. Many will say 40mcg is plenty while just as many prefer 80-100mcg..

I have run it alone at 100mcgper day.. I gained 4 solid pounds in 4 weeks. I did notice a slight increase in vascularity and pumps..

I will likely bridge with it also… I guess I like this stuff!!

 

[dugie65]

There is a ton of debate on that issue…. Many will say 40mcg is plenty while just as many prefer 80-100mcg..

I have run it alone at 100mcgper day.. I gained 4 solid pounds in 4 weeks. I did notice a slight increase in vascularity and pumps..

I will likely bridge with it also… I guess I like this stuff!!

Would a 4 week on 4 week off set of cycles be subject to intestinal growth?

 

[Prizz]

There is a ton of debate on that issue…. Many will say 40mcg is plenty while just as many prefer 80-100mcg..

I have run it alone at 100mcgper day.. I gained 4 solid pounds in 4 weeks. I did notice a slight increase in vascularity and pumps..

I will likely bridge with it also… I guess I like this stuff!!

Well, I used 50mcg per day since it was all I could afford.... I didn't really gain any scale weight, but I was on a diet at the time.... I got signifigantly leaner, stronger, and more vascular..... I would like to have used more, but I did notice results on 50mcg per day....

rizz

 

[taoiron]

Would a 4 week on 4 week off set of cycles be subject to intestinal growth?

I have not had any adverse reactions or issues (that I know of)!!
I am very conscious of my health and get 2 complete physicals per year.
Over the past two years I have done 4, 12-14 week cycles. Last year I added the IGF and nothing changed in any of my medical tests!!

But who knows my brotha!!

I am out of here.. See you on the flip side!!

 

[taoiron]

PS… Not that it belongs here and so sorry for the hijack…. I get to train with Mr. O again this year!! Check out the picks from last year’s event in my profile!!.

Yep… I am the Nuggar standing to his left in the H.O.P. tank..

 

[nuthnbutfords]

Anybody have experience with using igf spot specific? I've heard it's used that way a lot.

I'm planning on running a igf/gh cycle soon. It's said that using the two together can make "each other" twice as powerful as taking them seperatly. That's what I read in Building the Perfect Beast-so don't hold me to it.

keep this thread goin, it's a good one, as I'm taking a extended break from AAS, but am not ruling out igf,gh,slin,t3...etc....(things that don't suppress your natty test, or can they???)

 

[LT3]

the reason why i would run it at such a high dose is because i see no reason to run it for mediocre results. in the future i would run igf at 200mcg, gh at 20ius, slin at 10ius and gear 4G. that should produce some freaky results.

 

[maldorf]

I used 80mcg per day for two 4 week cycles. I used it along with insulin. For packing on mass the insulin is better than IGF, but the IGF gives you nice vascularity and I believe it made me leaner. I didnt seem to gain any weight using the IGF, but I think I lost some fat and replaced its weight with muscle. For the price, I really feel like IGF isnt worth it.

 

[Prizz]

I used 80mcg per day for two 4 week cycles. I used it along with insulin. For packing on mass the insulin is better than IGF, but the IGF gives you nice vascularity and I believe it made me leaner. I didnt seem to gain any weight using the IGF, but I think I lost some fat and replaced its weight with muscle. For the price, I really feel like IGF isnt worth it.

Yeah, that's a good point about the price Mal...... However, the detail about IGF that makes me think it MIGHT be worth the money is that it isn't AAS, and doesn't supress Natty Test.... Making it a perfect bridge drug..... So, I can end my cycle, get on IGF during my PCT, and not lose a pound, or maybe gain a lil more, then start the next cycle..... That detail is worth some cash IMO, but it is over priced for the results it gives.....

rizz

 

[dugie65]

the reason why i would run it at such a high dose is because i see no reason to run it for mediocre results. in the future i would run igf at 200mcg, gh at 20ius, slin at 10ius and gear 4G. that should produce some freaky results.

Safety would be my only conern with dosages over 120mcg...

Maybe if you were a olympia BB and were only concerned with results sure those dosages would be alright.

I wouldn't fuck with insulin either, way too much danger especially when 99% of people don't know enough about it.

IMO that cycle is the worst idea I could think of.

 

[maldorf]

Yeah, that's a good point about the price Mal...... However, the detail about IGF that makes me think it MIGHT be worth the money is that it isn't AAS, and doesn't supress Natty Test.... Making it a perfect bridge drug..... So, I can end my cycle, get on IGF during my PCT, and not lose a pound, or maybe gain a lil more, then start the next cycle..... That detail is worth some cash IMO, but it is over priced for the results it gives.....

rizz

Great point here. I havent personally used the IGF during PCT but have heard good things. I have used Insulin during PCT and it helps a lot. A mod over on anabolicreview reccomends using Insulin for 4 weeks then IGF for 4 weeks and then back to the Insulin to repeat the cycle. This is nice becuase you always have something flowing through your veins.

 

[LT3]

Safety would be my only conern with dosages over 120mcg...

Maybe if you were a olympia BB and were only concerned with results sure those dosages would be alright.

I wouldn't fuck with insulin either, way too much danger especially when 99% of people don't know enough about it.

IMO that cycle is the worst idea I could think of.

depends on goals bro. i wanna be a freak. i want to get as big and shredded as my genes allow, so i dont mind running doses that high in the future. it might be stupid to you, but not to me.

 

[dugie65]

depends on goals bro. i wanna be a freak. i want to get as big and shredded as my genes allow, so i dont mind running doses that high in the future. it might be stupid to you, but not to me.

how old are you bro? I'm not questioning your maturity I just think your ideas of health need to be checked - You won't live too long if you think the ends justify the means.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

depends on goals bro. i wanna be a freak. i want to get as big and shredded as my genes allow, so i dont mind running doses that high in the future. it might be stupid to you, but not to me.

Trust me, IGF1 is not the answer..

 

[LT3]

how old are you bro? I'm not questioning your maturity I just think your ideas of health need to be checked - You won't live too long if you think the ends justify the means.

19. like i said bro, it all depends on goals. i wish i wouldnt have to run those doses, but if i have to i will. unless it compromises my health.

Trust me, IGF1 is not the answer..

O i know bro, i never said it was. i just said. IF i was to use igf, i wouldnt run small doses.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

the reason why i would run it at such a high dose is because i see no reason to run it for mediocre results. in the future i would run igf at 200mcg, gh at 20ius, slin at 10ius and gear 4G. that should produce some freaky results.

You need to relax a little..20ius of gh and 10ius of slin? Your just asking for trouble.. You must not have researched slin enough, its overrated and dangerous.. One, you could become diabetic, or even worse death! IGF1 isnt even approved and probably never will be! Ive used it, and its a waste of money! Im just waiting for the reports to come back on this stuff 5-10 years from now, and I dont think it will be good..

 

[dugie65]

You need to relax a little..20ius of gh and 10ius of slin? Your just asking for trouble.. You must not have researched slin enough, its overrated and dangerous.. One, you could become diabetic, or even worse death! IGF1 isnt even approved and probably never will be! Ive used it, and its a waste of money! Im just waiting for the reports to come back on this stuff 5-10 years from now, and I dont think it will be good..

Why do you think so?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Why do you think so?

Go ahead and do it, and let me know how it works out for ya..

 

[nuthnbutfords]

19. like i said bro, it all depends on goals. i wish i wouldnt have to run those doses, but if i have to i will. unless it compromises my health.



O i know bro, i never said it was. i just said. IF i was to use igf, i wouldnt run small doses.

4g/week, and all that growth and igf would-with no doubt-cause concerns for health risks. Intestinal growth would inevitable-maybe not one cycle, but stopping after one cycle doesn't seem like something you have in mind. I'm sure you plan on running the gear at 12+ weeks. Multiple cycles of 4g/week would shut you down HARD, especially over the course of years, something possibly pct couldn't bring back. When you get shitty blood test back like I have, and I have run nothing even close to what your talking about, would make you put things in perspective. When I was 19, I didn't give a shit either, and that is why there's a good chance AAS could not be in my future, and it bums the fuck out of me! I'm not trying to flame, but just be careful. Having kids and having long term health should be something that you value.

 

[dugie65]

Go ahead and do it, and let me know how it works out for ya..

Well do you have any backup behind that accusation or is it just an intuition??

 

[dugie65]

guess not.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Why dont you read up on insulin, and get back to me.. I know all about it, diabetes runs in my family!

 

[Prizz]

You need to relax a little..20ius of gh and 10ius of slin? Your just asking for trouble.. You must not have researched slin enough, its overrated and dangerous.. One, you could become diabetic, or even worse death! IGF1 isnt even approved and probably never will be! Ive used it, and its a waste of money! Im just waiting for the reports to come back on this stuff 5-10 years from now, and I dont think it will be good..

All I can say is that if you didn't get results from IGF, it was prob fake stuff..... There are alot of fakes out there, and if you take into account the whole Indy scam, it increases the probability..... The stuff works, and you don't really need much for results....

rizz

 

[bootneck]

I def would if i knew where to get it from! No-one seems to have heard of it over here, so prob wont ever touch it due to this, growth is the latest thing here.

 

[bootneck]

Oh, im not askin for a source, so dont get the wrong idea!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

All I can say is that if you didn't get results from IGF, it was prob fake stuff..... There are alot of fakes out there, and if you take into account the whole Indy scam, it increases the probability..... The stuff works, and you don't really need much for results....

rizz

Highly doubt it! It was gropep and came from a reliable source..

 

[NYBodyguard]

why not do slin + gh then

 

[drrman]

the reason why i would run it at such a high dose is because i see no reason to run it for mediocre results. in the future i would run igf at 200mcg, gh at 20ius, slin at 10ius and gear 4G. that should produce some freaky results.

bro...you are a fucking moron....why post shit like that.......

anyways....for the rest of you

IGF works pretty well and i have used it successfully a few times now

60mcg minimum i would suggest
80-average dosage
100mcg maximum


this guy on 200 is a fucking moron....bad karma to him for such shitty advice

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

bro...you are a fucking moron....why post shit like that.......

anyways....for the rest of you

IGF works pretty well and i have used it successfully a few times now

60mcg minimum i would suggest
80-average dosage
100mcg maximum


this guy on 200 is a fucking moron....bad karma to him for such shitty advice

Finally another bro, backing me! I know we dont agree on the IGF1, but doing stupid shit like 200mcg/day, 20ius rHGH, and 10ius slin is ridiculous.. The dude is like 20 years old..

 

[drrman]

19. like i said bro, it all depends on goals. i wish i wouldnt have to run those doses, but if i have to i will. unless it compromises my health.



O i know bro, i never said it was. i just said. IF i was to use igf, i wouldnt run small doses.

so you have never run IGF at all and you are giving advice on it....also you dont' think 4g of juice a week will compromise your health at all????

you have not tried, experienced, researched any of the shit you are talking about.....so why even bring it up?

 

[drrman]

Finally another bro, backing me! I know we dont agree on the IGF1, but doing stupid shit like 200mcg/day, 20ius rHGH, and 10ius slin is ridiculous.. The dude is like 20 years old..

This fucker has no business even posting advice/ideas like this when he doesn't even know what he is talking about.....im sure he has no clue as to how to even use insulin, much less insulin WITH igf

guess he doesn't know the IGF will make the insulin twice as potent at 100mcg...so at 200mcg with 10ius of insulin he would most likely die!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

This fucker has no business even posting advice/ideas like this when he doesn't even know what he is talking about.....im sure he has no clue as to how to even use insulin, much less insulin WITH igf

guess he doesn't know the IGF will make the insulin twice as potent at 100mcg...so at 200mcg with 10ius of insulin he would most likely die!

Like I said bro, I know about insulin. And when I see people posting stupid shit and giving advice like that, it pisses me off. Let the a*swipe do what he wants to himself, dont advise others todo the same..especially when he has never even used it.

 

[dugie65]

Go ahead and do it, and let me know how it works out for ya..

Still waiting for why you think IGF will compromise your health further down the line.

 

[drrman]

Still waiting for why you think IGF will compromise your health further down the line.

i think he was referring to the guy that mentioned taking all the slin/hgh/igf and 4g gear bro....telling him to go ahead and try his combo...not speaking to you about trying igf

 

[dugie65]

You need to relax a little..20ius of gh and 10ius of slin? Your just asking for trouble.. You must not have researched slin enough, its overrated and dangerous.. One, you could become diabetic, or even worse death! IGF1 isnt even approved and probably never will be! Ive used it, and its a waste of money! Im just waiting for the reports to come back on this stuff 5-10 years from now, and I dont think it will be good..

\\

I was refferring to this comment.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Still waiting for why you think IGF will compromise your health further down the line.

Heard of the condition, diabetic? There is your answer..

 

[Phys PhD]

it CAN speed up cancer growth ONLY IF you have it. it will NOT cause cancer. and yes i would use it, but at 200mcgs and up. lower than that its not worth it IMO.

This is ridiculous. If you guys want to know about the effects of IGF-1, check out "www.pubmed.com" and enter "IGF-1" "skeletal muscle." This research has been going on for years. Locally injected IGF-1 has an extremely short half-life and putatively will not have systemic effects.

As far as the cancer properties go, this gets a bit dicey--it activates hypertrophic signals within skeletal muscle cells (specifically, the PI3 kinase-Akt pathway) and down-regulates degradation pathways (FoxO among others). To get at your question, from what I've seen no research has been done on local IGF-1 administration and increased risk of cancer.
I speculate that IGF-1 will induce proliferation in other cell types within the muscle that is being injected--fibroblasts, muscle pre-cursor cells, etc.--such a cancer risk is possible. However, your body produces local IGF-1 after heavy lifting and I have yet to hear about an association between weightlifting "muscle tumors." Nor have I heard of professional bodybuilders being diagnosed with tumors in their muscles. This is anecdotal evidence, but there is nothing else out there currently.

Oh, and by the way, we have cancer cells in our bodies ALL THE TIME. Our immune systems recognize these cells and destroy them--this is going on everday. So, saying "only if you have cancer" is not a viable argument.

 

[dugie65]

This is ridiculous. If you guys want to know about the effects of IGF-1, check out "www.pubmed.com" and enter "IGF-1" "skeletal muscle." This research has been going on for years. Locally injected IGF-1 has an extremely short half-life and putatively will not have systemic effects.

Is this IGF-1 LR3 or just IGF-1?

 

[supra5469]

Is this IGF-1 LR3 or just IGF-1?

According to this I beleive he is reffering to IGF-1

The most effective form of IGF is Long R3 IGF-1, it has been chemically altered and has had amino acid changes, which cause it to avoid binding to proteins in the human body and allow it to have a much longer half-life, around 20-30 hours. "Long R3 IGF-1 is an 83 amino acid analog of IGF-1 comprising the complete human IGF-1 sequence with the substation of an Arg(R) for the Glu (E) at position three, hence R3, and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N terminus. This analog of IGF-1 has been produced with the purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF peptide."

"Long R3 IGF-1 is significantly more potent than IGF-1. The enhanced potency is due to the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF's."

 

[Phys PhD]

Is this IGF-1 LR3 or just IGF-1?

Stricltly IGF-1...From what I understand IGF-1 LR3 has a much longer half life, ~7 hrs. Is this what you're taking?

 

[Phys PhD]

"Long R3 IGF-1 is significantly more potent than IGF-1. The enhanced potency is due to the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to all known IGF binding proteins. These binding proteins normally inhibit the biological actions of IGF's."[/QUOTE]

This is incorrect--although one or two IGF binding proteins are known to increase the activity of IGF-1, some show inhibitory effects--by in large, we have very limited knowledge of what IGF binding proteins actually do.

 

[dugie65]

Stricltly IGF-1...From what I understand IGF-1 LR3 has a much longer half life, ~7 hrs. Is this what you're taking?

si it is what I was considering.

 

[Phys PhD]

si it is what I was considering.

Best of luck with that, man. If I was to take IGF-1, I would take the short-acting IGF-1. I guess given the fact that IGF-1 activates cell proliferation and/or cell growth in so many different cell types would make me think before taking a long-acting version of IGF-1.

Bottom line is we have no idea what supra-physiological doses of IGF-1 will do to other organs in the body. Testosterone is so well-researched that I am not too worried about long-term effects, especially given that I get checked out by a doctor when I'm on. But taking a drug that hasn't been researched as well for purely aesthetic reasons is pretty brave.

 

[LT3]

bro...you are a fucking moron....why post shit like that.......

anyways....for the rest of you

IGF works pretty well and i have used it successfully a few times now

60mcg minimum i would suggest
80-average dosage
100mcg maximum


this guy on 200 is a fucking moron....bad karma to him for such shitty advice

bro, first off, i am NOT on 200. i have yet to do AAS for over a gram a week. i said, in the future i might. secondly, i didnt give anyone advice. i didnt say "you should run it" i said "i would run it". so chill buddy, nothing to get upset over. like i said earlier, i would prefer not running those dosages at all, but if it comes to it in the future, i might. we'll see. as far as health goes, im perfectly healthy, i havent gotten any test results back that showed anything out of the norm. and i would not compromise my health in any event. if i can handle 4G of gear, then i'll run it, but if i cant, then i wont. and like i said before, these are my goals, and im NOT suggesting this to anyone else. im saying "personally I would". lol take it ez guys, nothing to be angry over. we have different goals and different opinions on certain things. thats all.

 

[itlnstln]

it CAN speed up cancer growth ONLY IF you have it. it will NOT cause cancer. and yes i would use it, but at 200mcgs and up. lower than that its not worth it IMO.

I used it at 40mcgs (20/2x day) for 8 weeks and I got MAD gains from it. LOVED it I'm on HGH now and I am thinking of adding it to it


Shit's great - period

 

[Beachboy6294]

Yeah, that's a good point about the price Mal...... However, the detail about IGF that makes me think it MIGHT be worth the money is that it isn't AAS, and doesn't supress Natty Test.... Making it a perfect bridge drug..... So, I can end my cycle, get on IGF during my PCT, and not lose a pound, or maybe gain a lil more, then start the next cycle..... That detail is worth some cash IMO, but it is over priced for the results it gives.....

rizz

I agree that is when I would like to run it right at the end of my cycle! We just need to find a cheap hook up like bro's are talking about!

 

[bbkingpin]

I used it at 40mcgs (20/2x day) for 8 weeks and I got MAD gains from it. LOVED it I'm on HGH now and I am thinking of adding it to it


Shit's great - period

What brand, Stallion?
I used it from fusionlabsupplies.com and I thought it was some freaky ass shit. Have you tried Omega? I'd like to get some more so long as I knew it was legit.

 

[maldorf]

The IGF I ran was omega, and the gains were nothing like some of you describe. I think the gains you experience depend on the level of development you already have, just like AAS. This IGF is no silver bullet, and to be truthful you get much better results out of running different AAS. I dont think I will mess with the IGF again, just not worth the hastle and price.

 

[itlnstln]

What brand, Stallion?
I used it from fusionlabsupplies.com and I thought it was some freaky ass shit. Have you tried Omega? I'd like to get some more so long as I knew it was legit.

it was Omega - Omega's up and running STRAIGHT GREAT shit right now.
It's all-good if you know what you're doing.

I always had great results taking 20mcgs right before my workout, and the other 20 right before my dextrose-laiden Protien Shake 1/2-45min after my workout.

within 3 days the pumps were f-in ***nice***