IGF-R3 Long and short Cycles

[648]

Can anyone with some knowledge on R3 Long help me out or tell me if either of these would be good cycles?

This is a 2 week cycle? This would be used as a 2 week on 3 week off cycle
1-2 500mg Test Prop a week
1-2 100mg Winny a day
1-2 100mcg IGF-R3 Long a day
3-5 clean

and the cycle starts over

or would it be better to run fina at 150mg a day instead of the R3 Long and use the R3 Long during the off time for 3 weeks?

1-2 500mg Test Prop a week
1-2 100mg Winny a day
1-2 150mg Fina a day
1-2 1mg liquidex a day
3-5 100mcg IGF-R3 Long

and the cycle starts over
648

 

[ultragainz]

why not front load on day 1..some people like to do that...and some people do 2 weeks on 4 weeks off and on the 4 weeks off they hit igf....but i never did short cycles...take igf for 4 weeks...start it on the last week before you take 3 weeks off and hit igf-1 for 4 weeks then start over with the roids..just my .02

 

[648]

Can you give me a front load schedule for the cylces that I listed.

 

[ultragainz]

i dont know bro iam not that good with short cycles but try this...
day1 front load prop dont know at lets say 200-300mgs...
day2-12 take prop ed and d-bol fina should be good too...hit arimidex on the cycle and on the off weeks too...see its 14 days is 2 weeks but take day 13-14 off to get everything out of your system..like if you end with d-bol on a normal cycle you would wait about 2 days then hit clomid...but you wont be needing clomid...so test prop,d-bol,fina...and igf on the off weeks..

 

[ultragainz]

iam not 100% sure what will be better but you can try 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...or 2 weeks on 4 weeks off....if you do 4 weeks off hit igf-1 on the 4 weeks off...same with the 2 weeks off....igf for 2-3 weeks...just my .02 cents..

 

[ultragainz]

i would say do the cycle for about 6-10 weeks...count the weeks on for 6-10 weeks not the weeks off...so you be on for a couple of months...dont have to hit fina everytime....test prop and d-bol should be fine...also if you hit 2 on 4 off you can hit clomid on the weeks off i would still hit arimidex on and off weeks and on the off weeks with clomid at 50mgs ed or eod should be fine...so its really a 12 day cycle not 14 because you take off the last 2 weeks which are 13,14 to get everything out of your body..i could be wrong but i think iam saying everything right

 

[ultragainz]

you dont have to add fina..i would stick with d-bol or winny..maybe fina is not a good choice on short cycles...could be wrong because i always see people hitting anadrol,d-bol,prop,susp,winny on short cycles...maybe you can hit fina not 100% sure..

 

[648]

Do you think that taking arimidex during the IGF-R3 will reduce its efficency. I thought since estrogen seems to increase igf-1 that decreasing it would hender gains. Please let me know if I am wrong.

 

[ultragainz]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............lets see...........<thinking>.....<thinking>......i would say you should be fine when hitting arimidex with igf...BUT i could be wrong..i think iam right...i should be.. not 100% sure

 

[Zyglamail]

Im pretty much with ultra here. I myself am not real keen or knowledgable on short cycles. I does seem to me though that they would put a bit more stress on the system due to the constant drastic changes in hormones than a flat 6-10 weeks lets say.

As for IGF-1, I would probably save that for between cycles as well to try and save some gains. Estrogen is one component of the feedback loop for igf-1 output but in the case of exogenous igf-1 I dont think anastrozole will have any impact at all. In studies on normal (ie not on cycle people) anastrozole reduced IGF-1 levels by about 18% while at the same time raising test levels approx 56%. I believe the reduction in IGF-1 as well as the increase in test is due to lack of estrogen which of course is a promary feedback for LH/FSH.

 

[whodaman]

Nolvadex will negatively effect natural Igf-1 production....I don't believe arimidex will have an effect though.

 

[The Iron Game]

As for IGF-1, I would probably save that for between cycles as well to try and save some gains. Estrogen is one component of the feedback loop for igf-1 output but in the case of exogenous igf-1 I dont think anastrozole will have any impact at all. In studies on normal (ie not on cycle people) anastrozole reduced IGF-1 levels by about 18% while at the same time raising test levels approx 56%. I believe the reduction in IGF-1 as well as the increase in test is due to lack of estrogen which of course is a promary feedback for LH/FSH.

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[The Iron Game]

whodaman, anything that will restrict estrogen will have some effect on igf1 production