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IGF-1 with HGH?

swindell7591

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I am bout to run a GH test and eq cycle, with hcg i was wondering what your bros, opinions on taking IGF-1 along with it, what doses are normall for a first timer on IGF-1 and is it pretty safe etc etc. Let me know bros

john
 
swindell7591 said:
I am bout to run a GH test and eq cycle, with hcg i was wondering what your bros, opinions on taking IGF-1 along with it, what doses are normall for a first timer on IGF-1 and is it pretty safe etc etc. Let me know bros

john

Dont know your overall goal, but no reason to take GH and IGF at same time. HGH increases IGF1-1 levels among other things, so if looking for the anabolic effects, use the IGF-1 and forget the hgh. IGF-1 starting at 80mcg/day will give you results far beyond hgh can in 4 weeks.
 
indy69camaro said:
Dont know your overall goal, but no reason to take GH and IGF at same time. HGH increases IGF1-1 levels among other things, so if looking for the anabolic effects, use the IGF-1 and forget the hgh. IGF-1 starting at 80mcg/day will give you results far beyond hgh can in 4 weeks.

agreed, if i was going to take one i would take the IGF, it results in 4 weeks would far outweigh what you would see from HGH.....Although i am taking both combined at this very moment, as i am planning on staying on HGH all year and am throwing in the IGF for a boost!
 
well what about if i run the igf-1 at the very end of my cycle like the last 30 days at 80mcg a day would that be fesable? Doesnt GH have like a rating of 8 or 9 in weight gain? plus if you stack it with test wouldnt this make you get bigger than if you stack with deca or something like that
 
swindell7591 said:
well what about if i run the igf-1 at the very end of my cycle like the last 30 days at 80mcg a day would that be fesable? Doesnt GH have like a rating of 8 or 9 in weight gain? plus if you stack it with test wouldnt this make you get bigger than if you stack with deca or something like that

NO, you are not going to gain weight like that on HGH. HGH needs to be run 6 months for anabolic activity to be noticed. HGH does not cause muscle cells to grow as much as it it causes hyperplasia, which is truley anabolic. Look up the work "anabolic", it's a Greek word that means "To build by complicated means" complicated means is just that, it take a very long time. It's quality, but not quantity, GH should be run 3 months if you are cutting, 6 months if you are looking for anabolic effects. I am just shy of 40 years old and even at higher than normal doses (10-20iu/day) for 6 months, the anabolic effect is MINIMAL. Your age has alot do do with how you respond to HGH also. Since IGF-1 has been available, I have "given" away 100's of iu's of hgh I had. I found it's not worth it cause IGF causes none of the unwanted sides I get from HGH, and it works MUCH faster, MUCH better for anabolic activity. Remember, HGH does many things, anabolic activity is just one of them, and that's done by raising IGF-1 levels being secreted by the liver, go strait to the source, use the IGF-1.
 
I have never done either one, but know people who have, and they did say there gains with the IGF added to the GH where better than GH alone
 
IGF-1 and GH might produce more favorable results than either one along

While it is clear that exogenous GH increased IGF-1 levels.
And while it is clear that IGF-1 is beneficial for fat loss (directly and indirectly)
It is far from being conclusive to say that GH positive effect on fat loss is ONLY due to
increased IGF-1 levels. There may be other mechanisms through which GH may prove beneficial for fat loss.

Intrestingly, one study showed GH administration ALONG with IGF-1 proved more beneficial than either one of them given alone.


"GH and IGF-I given together may enhance fat loss over either given alone."
Effects of human growth hormone, insulin-like growth factor I, and diet and exercise on body composition of obese

postmenopausal women. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology Metabolism. 1998 May. Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center and Medical Service, Veterans Affairs Health Care System.

To determine the effects of GH and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) administration, diet, and exercise on weight loss, body composition, basal metabolic rate (BMR), muscle strength, and psychological status, 33 moderately obese postmenopausal women (67.1 +/- 5.2 yr) participated in a 12-week randomized, double blind study. Participants were placed on a diet that provided 500 Cal/day less than that needed or weight maintenance, and they walked 3 days and strength trained 2 days each week. ubjects also self-injected GH (0.025 mg/kg BW.day), IGF-I (0.015 mg/kg BW.day), a combination of these doses of GH and IGF-I, or placebo (P). Twenty-eight women completed the study, as five subjects dropped out due to intolerable side-effects (e.g. edema). Weight loss occurred in all groups, with the largest decrease occurring in the GH plus IGF-I group (5.6 +/- 1.4 kg). Fat mass significantly decreased in all groups, with the largest losses observed in GH and GH plus IGF-I groups (6.3 +/- 1.8 and 8.4 +/- 2.8 kg, respectively). Despite weight loss, BMR was maintained in all groups. Muscle strength increased with training for all groups, and depression and anxiety scores decreased in groups receiving IGF-I. These data show that obese postmenopausal women can lose weight and fat without compromising fat free mass, BMR, or gains in muscle strength, and that GH and IGF-I given together may enhance fat loss over either given alone.


Regarding dosages for IGF-1, I'd hate to say that the companies selling IGF-1 hide the fact that IGF-1 is probably mutely beneficial at the dosages that people can afford buying IGF-1. For example, the mentioned study above used the following dosages:
GH (0.025 mg/kg BW.day)
IGF-1 (0.015 mg/kg BW.day)
That would translate to an individual weighting 190 pounds (86kg) to use:
2.15mg (8.6iu GH every day) and 1290mcg (!!!!) of IGF-1 everyday.

In another study published 1996 January Division of Endocrinology, Charles A. Dana Research Institute, Harvard-Thorndike Laboratories. The participans used 100mcg/kg bw translating to 8600mcg a day for our individual. I should note that it is unclear which IGF-I brand and type was used in both studies. I've also seen people report IGF-1 levels still within normal range when they inj 50mcg of IGF-1 everyday. To achieve the great results of fat loss and/or mass gain supraphysiological dosages, and i'm talking of real supraphysiological dosages of IGF-1 and GH should be used, and that
is far from the dosage regimn most follow.
 
swindell7591 said:
I am bout to run a GH test and eq cycle, with hcg i was wondering what your bros, opinions on taking IGF-1 along with it, what doses are normall for a first timer on IGF-1 and is it pretty safe etc etc. Let me know bros

john



go for it...60-80mcg day.
 
thats what im saying he prob read that your forhead can grow your arms can grow your heart can grow you can get cancer. But you know what finnfun smoking is probly harder on you than gear, hgh prob not 100% sure but every one i have talked to say that they have had no sides that are really bad like your forehead growing just swelling a little bit in the hands, and numbness were the injected other than that ive heard and seen no bad sides, first hand exp from my friend he gaind 30 pounds and keep 25 of it and had 4percent body fat, after 8 weeks of sust and HgH. No sides what so ever if anything he looked younger.
 
swindell7591 said:
thats what im saying he prob read that your forhead can grow your arms can grow your heart can grow you can get cancer. But you know what finnfun smoking is probly harder on you than gear, hgh prob not 100% sure but every one i have talked to say that they have had no sides that are really bad like your forehead growing just swelling a little bit in the hands, and numbness were the injected other than that ive heard and seen no bad sides, first hand exp from my friend he gaind 30 pounds and keep 25 of it and had 4percent body fat, after 8 weeks of sust and HgH. No sides what so ever if anything he looked younger.

You are referring to aromeglia, its abnormal bone and organ growth.

Think of hGH as a precursor to IGF-1. Better to dose IGF-1 kinda low to avoid any sides (40-60mcg for 25 days). IGF-1 also increases hyperplasia so I think there is no need to do both or mega load one or the other.
 
so run 40mcg day for 25 days along with the HGH, ok but i am already staking it with oral T-bol 16week eq 600mg a week and 16 cyp 600mg a week. Do you think that if i added the igf-1 it would be to much, and my cycle right now is good? Or is adding the igf-1 ok even though i have all the other gear in there.??
 
swindell7591 said:
so run 40mcg day for 25 days along with the HGH, ok but i am already staking it with oral T-bol 16week eq 600mg a week and 16 cyp 600mg a week. Do you think that if i added the igf-1 it would be to much, and my cycle right now is good? Or is adding the igf-1 ok even though i have all the other gear in there.??

Honestly hGH is a waste IMO if you are going to use IGF-1. IGF-1 still gives you the hyperplasia sought out in from hGH. IGF-1 is cheaper, safer and you dont have to run it kinda high for like 6 months.
 
hankes64 said:
Honestly hGH is a waste IMO if you are going to use IGF-1. IGF-1 still gives you the hyperplasia sought out in from hGH. IGF-1 is cheaper, safer and you dont have to run it kinda high for like 6 months.


AGREED !!!
 
ok so what if i run hgh then switch to IGf-1 will this be ok like if i use up the 100ius that i already have then switch to IGF-1? Let me know if this is ok guys also with IGF-1 do you still keep all of your gains. Like with HGH.?? thanx bros you guys are helping alot
 
swindell7591 said:
ok so what if i run hgh then switch to IGf-1 will this be ok like if i use up the 100ius that i already have then switch to IGF-1? Let me know if this is ok guys also with IGF-1 do you still keep all of your gains. Like with HGH.?? thanx bros you guys are helping alot

Ok with this post you really need to do more research. I used some words hoping you would know what they mean but you dont. hGH is a precursor to IGF-1, thats why people use hGH is for IGF-1. Just use IGF-1
 
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