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if you could be both genders...

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strongchick

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...would you?

I DON'T mean with both genitalia - you'd could presto chango - and flip 'members' - and be genuine male or female, depending on your mood that day.

I'll be the first to say hell yes.
 
what sci-fi is that then? the type you get in the back of porno mags? ;)

to be honest if i could get past losing my peeper (i dont think i ever could)....then being female has its advantages. women get away with a hell of a lot, but also have to put up with a whole lot too

but no....ive grown up as a man so my behaviour will always be manly...i dont think i could adequately adapt to being a woman and the cocktail of emotions the change in hormones would bring
 
gotta think about it. SOunds interesting, I would try it for like 1-2 weeks but then I'm sure I would want to be a full time male.
 
no way in hell..the only male body i can bare to look at is my own...and the though of having a sweaty hairy guy on top of me...:sick: :bawling: ...hell no, no way...
 
MrMuscle said:
no way in hell..the only male body i can bare to look at is my own...and the though of having a sweaty hairy guy on top of me...:sick: :bawling: ...hell no, no way...
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nah dude, be lesbian.....much better....four boobs to look at :D
 
danielson said:
what sci-fi is that then? the type you get in the back of porno mags? ;)

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NOOOO. Although a good porn flick might be a good idea tonight...

..I"ve been reading stuff by Octavia Butler. A couple of her novels have a character that can take slip inside of a person's body,male or female.

I also read "Friday" by Heinlein. Main character is hot female with a decidedly male personality. I think I'm like her sometimes.

Now don't go translating this to penis envy...it isn't about the dick, sometimes!!
 
If you had complete control over it, then it would be fun as hell. You're banging a chick and then poof!, you're a girl. Get her to go down on you, have a couple of orgasms, then poof! You're back to a guy. Resume banging and blow your load all over her.

It's all so very romantic.
 
Yeah sure, I'd give it a shot. I like the way I look in high heels, and it might be cool to actually wear some in public.

PS. Octavia Butler is great author, I think. Waaaaaay better than Heinlein.
 
strongchick said:


NOOOO. Although a good porn flick might be a good idea tonight...

..I"ve been reading stuff by Octavia Butler. A couple of her novels have a character that can take slip inside of a person's body,male or female.

I also read "Friday" by Heinlein. Main character is hot female with a decidedly male personality. I think I'm like her sometimes.

Now don't go translating this to penis envy...it isn't about the dick, sometimes!!
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so when would you be male? peeing definately....but what else

diagnosis of strongchick: total penis envy :D
 
MrMuscle said:


cant..love my dick too much
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it would be a little wierd wouldnt it.
 
Nah...I like being a woman.

I have been accused of having brass balls before..Does this count? Humph, the nerve of some weak men,huh?
 
strongchick said:


can some astute psycho define 'penis envy', please?
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Happy to oblige.

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strongchick said:


can some astute psycho define 'penis envy', please?
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lol just kidding :)

so u think im an astute psycho huh?....... ;)

to be perfectly honest i think a woman would be just as creeped out having a weiner as a man would not having one and having all his dangly bits on the inside.

the only advantages i can see are you have less chance of infection and shit like that (health wise).
 
Actually, penis envy is also called the Electra Complex and is similar to the boy's Oedipus Complex, which is essentially a castration anxiety. The young female sees that she ain't got one, falls in love with her father (wanting his penis) and blames her mother for her lack, accusing her of castrating her. Weirdly, as I recall, Freud said the Electra Complex never reached full resolution whereas the Oedipus Complex may.

In Lacan's famous "return to Freud," women are said to have a "missing phallus." Fascinating theory -- an absence that becomes a presence.
 
wow....Musclebrains has become the Elite photographer.....Although, the one above is a little hefty, isn't it?

Ryan.
 
Nope, I love women way too much. I guess I could be a lesbian, but then I would still have to put up with men. I would end up killing someone if I had to put up with some of the stuff my female friends put up with.
 
frorider6 said:
Whut did he'uns say?
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LOL...to put it differunt, imagine this tragic monologue: "Diddy, lookit you got a penis, it's cool, I wont one, how come mama cut mine off? I lub you diddy. I hate you mama."

Now, one result of this I didn't mention is that the girl supposedly suppresses the clitoris as the primary erotic agent and displaces eros to the vagina, I assume because she 'posed to want to have diddy's baby, mama having ripped off her weenie while she was sleeping.

Freud theorized that lesbians, or "maculine women," never effectively gave up their penis envy.
 
strongchick said:


Glad SOMEONE can admit it.
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admit what :)

men aren't the only ones that cause 24/7 headaches ya know!





as for 'vagina envy'....hemaphrodites sometimes have their sex chosen for them at birth or at infancy and the choice on sexual organs is made based on the sexual characteristics thy exhibit the most (i.e. m or f) but as they grow up and mentally develop its common the wrong choice was made so i guess they can hate their weiners and want cha-cha's :)

then there's fantom limb sybndrome. and transexuals or women born as men
 
strongchick said:


Glad SOMEONE can admit it.
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Hey, I admit there are some serious idiots out there who give men a bad name.

At the same time there are some good decent men in this world.:)
 
strongchick said:
Is there a such thing as 'vagina envy'?
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Nope, and that annoys the hell out of feminist psychoanalysts, of course. You see, the lack of a penis in the female is taken as a wound to her narcissism. whe comes to feel inferior, allying with men themselves in their belief that women are inferior.

The man, being a man, believes everyone has a penis and, while it is a shock to him to discover a gender that misses one, he immediately views the female as inferior. His own complex, in fact, is shattered simply by the terror that his father will tear off his penis in order to reclaim his wife, who has become the son's love object.

This is just theorizing. Freud knew it occurred on a spectrum. Still, he was ultimately misogynistic, though not as entirely as he's represented. He wrote this: " We must not allow ourselves to be deflected from such conclusions by the denials of the feminists, who are anxious to force us to regard the two sexes as completely equal in position and worth; but we shall, of course, willingly agree that the majority of men are also far behind the masculine ideal and that all human individuals, as a result of their bisexual disposition and of cross-inheritance, combine in themselves both masculine and feminine characteristics, so that pure masculinity and feminity remain theoretical constructions of uncertain content."

Lacan, brilliantly, degenderized the phallus to become a principle -- though one with an anatomical signifier. It preserves the centrality of the phallus in the organization of the psyche but doesn't really privilege the possession of the penis itself.

In case you wondered, my dissertation is on the phallus.
 
big4life said:



Hey, I admit there are some serious idiots out there who give men a bad name.

At the same time there are some good decent men in this world.:)
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And us good decent men have to become demolition experts and break down these huge walls.;)
 
RyanH said:


back in da day he wasn't so bad.......
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Please. He's horrible. I was pumping gas at a place in West Hollywood and he drove up in his limo. He looked like some overly tanned Vegas creep encased in polyurethane. "I love your movies, Mr. STryker," I said. "Mmmph," said he.
 
musclebrains said:


Please. He's horrible. I was pumping gas at a place in West Hollywood and he drove up in his limo. He looked like some overly tanned Vegas creep encased in polyurethane. "I love your movies, Mr. STryker," I said. "Mmmph," said he.
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LOL.....I agree, but when he was younger, you must admit, that he had quite a tool....but that was about it.
 
musclebrains said:


Nope, and that annoys the hell out of feminist psychoanalysts, of course. You see, the lack of a penis in the female is taken as a wound to her narcissism. whe comes to feel inferior, allying with men themselves in their belief that women are inferior.

The man, being a man, believes everyone has a penis and, while it is a shock to him to discover a gender that misses one, he immediately views the female as inferior. His own complex, in fact, is shattered simply by the terror that his father will tear off his penis in order to reclaim his wife, who has become the son's love object.

This is just theorizing. Freud knew it occurred on a spectrum. Still, he was ultimately misogynistic, though not as entirely as he's represented. He wrote this: " We must not allow ourselves to be deflected from such conclusions by the denials of the feminists, who are anxious to force us to regard the two sexes as completely equal in position and worth; but we shall, of course, willingly agree that the majority of men are also far behind the masculine ideal and that all human individuals, as a result of their bisexual disposition and of cross-inheritance, combine in themselves both masculine and feminine characteristics, so that pure masculinity and feminity remain theoretical constructions of uncertain content."

Lacan, brilliantly, degenderized the phallus to become a principle -- though one with an anatomical signifier. It preserves the centrality of the phallus in the organization of the psyche but doesn't really privilege the possession of the penis itself.

In case you wondered, my dissertation is on the phallus.
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Are the female pschyoanalysts annoyed by those theories?
 
gymnpoppa said:


Are the female pschyoanalysts annoyed by THAT theory?
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By Lacan's theory? They are quite divided. The dumb ones are offended. The brilliant ones, like my diss chair, are not. It's such a hot issue -- Lacan dominates the academy (even at RyanH's school) -- that my diss chair hasn't even come out as a lesbian, because the big skirts believe it is impossible to be both a Lacanian and a dyke. That's changing but slowly.

People take Freud way too literally and Lacan is unintelligible until you've restructured your brain by reading him a year.
 
I wasn't exactly offended.

Just wondering why a piece of meat hanging above skin covered, sticky, wrinkly balls under a muff of hair is supposed to make me envious, on their own.

Balls are hideous, IMO.

I wonder if anyone has a big schlong and nice tiny, neat balls.



Breasts are enough of an inconvenience!
 
oh man this reminds me of grad school suddenly (room starts to spin)

Lacan & Kristeva – VAS500A – Jacques Lacan and Julia Kristeva draw from both Freud’s notions of the development of the self and critique this notion as it applies to the formation of language and independence and its relationship with gender. Drawing from Jacques Lacan’s reading of the Freudian mirror stage of the development or construction of language (which forces freedom the child from his/her mother), Kristeva expands this linkage to Freud into a discourse of desire. This places Kristeva in the position of situating another triangulation between desire, language and vision onto Freud’s triangulated theory of self, which in part features sexuality and vision but, according to Kristeva, lacks a discussion of language.
Drawing upon the notions of semiotics and psychoanalysis, Kristeva focusses on the development of the infant before language, or pre-language, in order to assess what she perceives to be the time before which the patriarchy of language has no influence upon the infant. At this time, the development of the infant is such that he/she responds to colour, and shape more than any linguistic cue, although the mother imitates the noises of the infant. Of importance is that linguistics has no equivalent for colour, and since colour is beyond linguistic logic in the sense that psychoanalysis is beyond metaphysical logic, at this stage in development there can be no censorship of the senses by this logic of language. Further, this linkage of the irrational physical body to being essential to the logical construct of language places tension upon the notion of Kantian categorization of the senses which further emphasize the metaphysical self guaranteeing the self. Further, the incorporation of the undifferentiated stage from the pre-language level allows Kristeva to utilize the notion of language as being gendered, entering desire into the discourse of language.
Kristeva describes this sort of relationship within Giotto, a painter who placed art on the cusp of a new language development in painting just prior to the Renaissance through a new emphasis on colour and the technique of perspective. Kristeva describes this emphasis on colour and technique in Giotto’s preeminent work as a way of, in a sense, “having it all”. In this interpretation, Kristeva claims Giotto has claimed both the indulgence of the repressed through the making of the artwork itself, yet revisited the infantile stage where colour is predominant and mother and child are not yet separated through the emphasis on unusually brilliant colour and shapes.
Through this incorporation of the “mirror stage” concept by Freud as interpreted by Lacan, Kristeva links the desire of the body to language in order to create a secondary triangulation in order to expand upon Freud. This enables an examination of the repressed pre-language stage as described through the example of Giotto. This return leads to a discussion of gender when the discussion of the freedom of the mother from language is introduced – the mother being outside of language due to its patriarchal inception. This painful loss of desire from the mother must be repressed but, as evidenced within Giotto, can be revisited through art processes. Desire from the pre-language stage may be lost, however according to Kristeva, this pain will be suppressed and will be revisited through artistic endeavours.
 
strongchick said:
I wasn't exactly offended.

Just wondering why a piece of meat hanging above skin covered, sticky, wrinkly balls under a muff of hair is supposed to make me envious, on their own.

Balls are hideous, IMO.

I wonder if anyone has a big schlong and nice tiny, neat balls.



Breasts are enough of an inconvenience!
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Come on Stronchick, nothing like big, full balls....women have their tits, us men have our nuts.......they just give us more to work with. NOthing wrong with that.
 
I like my big tits.
I like mens balls.
Especially if they're shaven.
Nothing like a silky sack.
Also, as long as the dick is average in size, I'm happy.



So Ryan, do you shave your sack? :)
 
MommaKin said:
I like my big tits.
I like mens balls.
Especially if they're shaven.
Nothing like a silky sack.
Also, as long as the dick is average in size, I'm happy.



So Ryan, do you shave your sack? :)
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Yup.....except during exams, but when going out or if I know I'll be fucking....always.

Also, nice to hear a lady admit that size does matter.
 
strongchick said:
I wasn't exactly offended.

Just wondering why a piece of meat hanging above skin covered, sticky, wrinkly balls under a muff of hair is supposed to make me envious, on their own.

Balls are hideous, IMO.

I wonder if anyone has a big schlong and nice tiny, neat balls.
Breasts are enough of an inconvenience!
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Hey, you don't have to get snippy and bitchy just because you don't got what we got.
 
strongchick said:
I wasn't exactly offended.

Just wondering why a piece of meat hanging above skin covered, sticky, wrinkly balls under a muff of hair is supposed to make me envious, on their own.

Balls are hideous, IMO.

I wonder if anyone has a big schlong and nice tiny, neat balls.



Breasts are enough of an inconvenience!
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you ever seen inside a womans vaginal cavity? from the inside out (i assume youve seen the outside)

it aint exactly the most beautiful sigt ive seen. true....you dont see that view from the outside world, but when you chop a womans pelvis in half and start prodding around it aint exactly art ;)

also why people find beauty in the female form so much. we were built for functionality :)
 
danielson said:


you ever seen inside a womans vaginal cavity? from the inside out (i assume youve seen the outside)

it aint exactly the most beautiful sigt ive seen. true....you dont see that view from the outside world, but when you chop a womans pelvis in half and start prodding around it aint exactly art ;)

also why people find beauty in the female form so much. we were built for functionality :)
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so you're gay?
 
Good question to danielson.....well?

And Warik still hasn't responded to my question about why the size of a penis is so important to him..
 
Sushi X said:
i'd do the switch gender thing for one reason, to have sex with some really hot lesbians.:)
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Straight men seem to have a fascination with lesbians and many straight women also seem to have a fascination with homosexuals. I guess one always wants want he or she cannot have.
 
musclebrains said:


Well, Stryker's famous movie line was "Tighten up that butt."

So, if it's small for you, you know what to do now.
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Amusing.

-Warik
 
RyanH said:


Warik, confess: are you a size queen? Your secret is safe with us.
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Size queen? I'm not sure what that is, but I'm sure I'm not one.

I'm simply commenting on the fact that it looks rather miniscule in comparison to my massive phallus in response to your opinion of its size.

I have no interest in any penis but my own.

I hope that clears things up.

-Warik
 
Warik said:


Size queen? I'm not sure what that is, but I'm sure I'm not one.

I'm simply commenting on the fact that it looks rather miniscule in comparison to my massive phallus in response to your opinion of its size.

I have no interest in any penis but my own.

I hope that clears things up.

-Warik
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LOL.......Thank you for answering our question.....Back to the discussion at hand.:)
 
musclebrains said:


so you're gay?
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no

just pointing out that she's comparing a dumbstick to the beauty of a bodily orafice teeming with bacteria

women look amazing from the outside ;) my weiner dosnt have eyes. hence im not gay :D
 
ryan, i see your point on the straight men/lesbian straight women/homsexual thing. but some lesbians are up for experimentation.:p

speaking as a straight man, the idea of having sex with a lesbian is a fantasy for one reason: the idea of 3 way, you, her and her girlfriend(or another bi or lesbian women, or one who is curious). that's my reason. i can't speak for straigh women though.
 
RyanH said:


Straight men seem to have a fascination with lesbians and many straight women also seem to have a fascination with homosexuals. I guess one always wants want he or she cannot have.
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I listened to TWO -- count them, TWO, not one -- dreams of straight men today about lesbian sex. For a moment, I felt I was on Elite and wanted to move my fingers instead of speak.
 
Sushi X said:
ryan, i see your point on the straight men/lesbian straight women/homsexual thing. but some lesbians are up for experimentation.:p

speaking as a straight man, the idea of having sex with a lesbian is a fantasy for one reason: the idea of 3 way, you, her and her girlfriend(or another bi or lesbian women, or one who is curious). that's my reason. i can't speak for straigh women though.
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But...but..they don't WANT you. They are lesbians. How about a three way with you, another woman and another man?
 
I would do it, so long as I was a really good looking man so I could get with really good looking women...it's harder to when you're a girl.......;)
 
so if this guy changed into this really fit girl, your idea of perfection, would you have sex with him/her ;)

i wonder what the responses will be
 
MB, well i know they don't want me but that's why it's a fantasy. as for me, a girl and another guy, no way man. that's not my game.

**misses talking to SC**
 
Hmmm...if I could be both genders

Hey ryan, looks to me like you and strongchick are getting ready to do the onld "in-out, in-out". Good to see your finally getting your nozzel wet bro'. Just make sure to wash your cock afterwards, I hear tunafish dick is 10X worse than deca-dick. You didnt hear that from me though BRo.
 
**bangs head against the wall**

of course i do, how could i forget?

**continues to bang head against the wall**
 
Re: Hmmm...if I could be both genders

TheYork said:
Hey ryan, looks to me like you and strongchick are getting ready to do the onld "in-out, in-out". Good to see your finally getting your nozzel wet bro'. Just make sure to wash your cock afterwards, I hear tunafish dick is 10X worse than deca-dick. You didnt hear that from me though BRo.
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another queer boy wishing he could be versatile...and get the best of both worlds. :D
 
strongchick said:


sounds like a case of vagina dentata complex?
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:D

i have no idea what your talking about. :D

but i like my dumbstick thank you very much. its an annoyance in contact sports but otherwise its very nice ;)

(cant believe i almost didnt edit that one ;) )
 
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