If muscle size is genetic...

[nodiggitydave]

Then what does this mean?

People who are naturally good at gaining had ancestors who were more physical than others?

Or people with genetically broad shoulders had ancestors who used to carry heavy things a lot..???

 

[Cynical Simian]

Holy Lamarckian inheritance, Batman!

 

[SgtSlaughter]

No... I think it's muscle SHAPE that's more genetic than size...

You can't change your bone/skeletal structure. You can't change your muscles insertion points. You can't put muscle on your inner chest.... unless your not a homosapian.

Some people hit puberty and have more favorable hormone levels than others, some never hit puberty (it's true).

this could prove to be an interesting and fun topic

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Holy Lamarckian inheritance, Batman!

LOL...this is the 2nd time you made me look up a word!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

 

[nodiggitydave]

No... I think it's muscle SHAPE that's more genetic than size...

You can't change your bone/skeletal structure. You can't change your muscles insertion points. You can't put muscle on your inner chest.... unless your not a homosapian.

Some people hit puberty and have more favorable hormone levels than others, some never hit puberty (it's true).

this could prove to be an interesting and fun topic

This could be true but I know a lot of lads with huge forearms who have a family history of construction etc.. and i mean just huge forearms and normal everywhere else! I thought muscle size was genetic in the way calves and biceps can be huge on some and miniscule on other people..?

 

[nodiggitydave]

Giraffes stretching their necks to reach leaves high in trees (especially Acacias), strengthen and gradually lengthen their necks. These giraffes have offspring with slightly longer necks.

A blacksmith, through his work, strengthens the muscles in his arms. His sons will have similar muscular development when they mature.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

all interesting points.

Are you looking for a disscusion or a reason to say "screw it, i have crappy genetics" and not do anything about it (bloody bullock reason, IMO)

Genetics is a huge component... but I've seen ALOT of people go from sticks (skinny 120lbs on a ~5'10" frame) to cock diesel mofo's.

Hardwork and dedication can take you very far.

 

[medical]

Giraffes stretching their necks to reach leaves high in trees (especially Acacias), strengthen and gradually lengthen their necks. These giraffes have offspring with slightly longer necks.

A blacksmith, through his work, strengthens the muscles in his arms. His sons will have similar muscular development when they mature.

That is so wrong I can't even begin to explain it. So if I tie a red ribbon around a duck's neck and only allow the ribboned duck to breed then the successful offspring will eventually be born with red featers around their necks" (apologies to Lemarck)
If you have genetics that lead to large muscle size then at some point in your genetic history the culture your line came from had women who tended to fuck guys with larger musculature. Period........

 

[medical]

This needs to be moved to the science forum where we can have an intelligent discussion of genetics and natural selection!

 

[nodiggitydave]

I am having an intelligent discussion.

My reason for asking the question is that my father and myself both naturally have large shoulders, and I wanted a reason for this.

How does a red ribbon give red feathers, there's no comparison between what I said about giraffes necks and that.. what so ever..

 

[wakefib]

Holy Lamarckian inheritance, Batman!

what, you don't believe that the giraffe got its long neck from stretching it to reach for food???

honestly. that was funny as hell

 

[wakefib]

Giraffes stretching their necks to reach leaves high in trees (especially Acacias), strengthen and gradually lengthen their necks. These giraffes have offspring with slightly longer necks.

A blacksmith, through his work, strengthens the muscles in his arms. His sons will have similar muscular development when they mature.

so if i loose an arm in an accident (knock on wood). my offspring might be born without an arm?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

My reason for asking the question is that my father and myself both naturally have large shoulders, and I wanted a reason for this.

Genetics. You are a unique blend of your parents and their ancestors.

 

[medical]

I am having an intelligent discussion.

My reason for asking the question is that my father and myself both naturally have large shoulders, and I wanted a reason for this.

How does a red ribbon give red feathers, there's no comparison between what I said about giraffes necks and that.. what so ever..

That is an exact comparison and is the classic Lemarckian example!
The giraffes necks didn't get longer because they streched for food, they got longer because the shorter necked ones FUCKING STARVED and didn't reproduce!!

 

[SgtSlaughter]

That is an exact comparison and is the classic Lemarckian example! The giraffes necks didn't get longer because they streched for food, they got longer because the shorter necked ones FUCKING STARVED and didn't reproduce!!

lol... survival of the fittest is an angry short necked giraffe.

 

[nodiggitydave]

so really humans are all the exact same.

except i'm 6ft because my ancestors prefered getting food from trees whereas my friend ancestors who are 5ft just managed to get by by eating potatos...


or i'm just a complete mix of people who decided to fuck and then here I am..

 

[SgtSlaughter]

so really humans are all the exact same.
Of the basic composition, yes.
except i'm 6ft because my ancestors prefered getting food from trees whereas my friend ancestors who are 5ft just managed to get by by eating potatos...
Hey, i'm part Irish and happen to like my potatoes... i'm definetly not even close to 5'0"

or i'm just a complete mix of people who decided to fuck and then here I am..
I like this simple conclusion

see red

What we are is "in the puddin'" in our genes... this topic will go no where fast here bro, lol.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

This needs to be moved to the science forum where we can have an intelligent discussion of genetics and natural selection!

Agreed it needs to be moved to another forum.

Nothing about Training involved here.

I have nothing against this topic... Infact I like the topic.

However, it's the wrong place for it.

 

[gjohnson5]

This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a long while.

Maybe if I keep doing pull ups and lat pulldowns , I'll grow wings big enough where I actually can fly???

 

[nodiggitydave]

giraffes necks didnt grow over night.. this is a long process

i don't know why people are assuming I'm thinking this happens with the next offspring

 

[ZGzaZ]

This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a long while.

Maybe if I keep doing pull ups and lat pulldowns , I'll grow wings big enough where I actually can fly???

No, but you will have bat children.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

No, but you will have bat children.

lol

 

[pitbullrocco]

its all about chromosomes, RNA and transcription. clearly this is not something we can "see".

of course, none of this would be possible without peptide bonds. no wonder protein is so damn important.

isn't there a "genetic" or other science type forum?

 

[medical]

its all about chromosomes, RNA and transcription. clearly this is not something we can "see".

of course, none of this would be possible without peptide bonds. no wonder protein is so damn important.

isn't there a "genetic" or other science type forum?

Are you trying to sound smart or being funny? Hopefully the latter.....;-)

 

[b fold the truth]

sgtslaughter is one funny guy...haaaa!!!!

Always remember that mental genetics will carry you a very long way.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

This could be true but I know a lot of lads with huge forearms who have a family history of construction etc.. and i mean just huge forearms and normal everywhere else! I thought muscle size was genetic in the way calves and biceps can be huge on some and miniscule on other people..?

Funny you say that. A friend of mine comes from a family who has been in contruction for a few generations and all the males have big fore arms. Their all sturdy but their fore arms stand out.

 

[nodiggitydave]

Funny you say that. A friend of mine comes from a family who has been in contruction for a few generations and all the males have big fore arms. Their all sturdy but their fore arms stand out.

glad somebody knows what i'm on about!!!

 

[enigma4dub]

Funny you say that. A friend of mine comes from a family who has been in contruction for a few generations and all the males have big fore arms. Their all sturdy but their fore arms stand out.

is it that there genes are good for forearms? or is it that all of the examples in this family have been swinging hammers for years, and therefore they have big forearms? or a combination of the two. but to say that this family has been building homes for 200 years so they have big forearms is hard for me to believe.

 

[b fold the truth]

Funny you say that. A friend of mine comes from a family who has been in contruction for a few generations and all the males have big fore arms. Their all sturdy but their fore arms stand out.

My wife, her brother, her father, and everyone in the family basically was born with biceps and triceps. Of course...most of them are crazy athletes too...they just decided to all grow up and use their brains instead.

 

[Lifting N Tx]

Just following the incorrect Lamarckian beliefs here...my sons are starting to show signs of being more muscular than average, like me. Of course, I wasn't muscular until I started lifting weights. I guess I must have developed the "muscularity gene" when I started lifting and passed it on to my offspring. I couldn't have anything to do with the fact that my boys have also started lifting weights, nah.

Seriously, for those tempted to believe that stuff about "if a father works in construction and gets big forearms the sons will inherit them", read this page . Particularly read the part about 1/3 down the page under the heading "Lamarckism". Partial quote:

An important 19th century error was the theory of *Jean Baptist Lamarck (1744-1829), later called "Lamarckism. " It is the theory of inheritance of acquired characteristics, and was solidly disproved by *August Weismann in 1891, when he cut the tails off of 19 successive generations of rats—and they and their offspring continued to grow tails! Later still, when the inheritance of characteristics was found to depend on the DNA genetic coding and not habits or environmental circumstances, the reason why Lamarckism could not work was then understood.