so if I keep running the test with the tren then I will continue to make solid gains and be able to keep them instead of having a bigger look from water retention or what??? My strength is phenomenal and everyone says I look greatly shaped and pretty big but I want to be jacked!!! Could I just run a longer cycle like 12 or 13 weeks with test and end the tren at week 10 to get big or do you think I have made it as far as I can in this cycle? What more can I expect with 8 or 9 weeks on this cycle? Don't lecture me on the length of tren because I have 0 side effects and I get my liver values checked regularly. I don't know, could I add some thing else that will make me a little bigger but without all the water? I was thinking of one of the following: NPP, anavar but damn$$$!, oral turinabol, m1t, or what else? I was expecting more of a weight gain with this cycle. I love the strength, hardness, and shapeness of this cycle but this is nothing compared to a test and d-bol cycle. I better keep my gains on this one or I'll be pissed!