If Chicks Get Abortions Should they Automatically be Nutered?

[curling]

I know there is alot of people that think abortion is a ok. Not me. I think it is wrong to take the life of a baby that didn't do squat because two people were not responsible when it came to sex.

So lets not debate that. But I think most people agree that abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control. So the way I look at it if you have an abortion you don't like kids much so you shouldn't be able to have another one. So how about a new law that if a chick has an abortion she will also be permantly nutered preventing her from having future children.

You say curling that is mean and cruel well I think pulling a kid out of a womb with salad forks because a woman opened her legs before the dude put on a rubber is pretty mean and cruel too.

I think this law would do two things it would first stop women that use abortions as birth control and it would aslo make a chick be alot more forceful on a guy putting on a rubber. I mean if the chick says you don't get any of this until you put on one of those. Believe me the guy will put one on.

Oh, the (ssocalled piece of crap) daddy should be nutered too.

It is not that hard to be responsible when having sex especially at the expense of killing an innocent person for your libido sake.

Also this would also help in sexually transmitted diseases too.

 

[saint808]

i think women with multiple abortions should be killed providing that the abortions were used as birth control.

 

[notoriousQQ]

In order to be equitable to all parties involved, what sort of consequences would be involved to the male party if he is spreading his seed and has "fathered" multiple abortions.

 

[Testosterone boy]

notorious....the guy who spreads his seed is given stud status in out society.

I think something drastic should be done after a couple abortions. Its all a huge mess all together.

 

[curling]

In order to be equitable to all parties involved, what sort of consequences would be involved to the male party if he is spreading his seed and has "fathered" multiple abortions.

They should be nutered too. Dang that way they and the slutty chicks can do it like rabbits and it won't hurt anyone.

 

[GinNJuice]

I think this should not apply to kids under....say.... 18..... who are not mature enough to make responsible decisions.

It's too bad that humans hit puberty before we are old/experienced enough to be responsible about sex and parenting.

I hate to hear about girls who get knocked up at age 15....... but I don't think that they should be nurtered.

 

[mekannik]

I agree.

Any women that would get an abortion because of complications that are endangering her life - out with her uterus! Let's not give someone a second chance at being a mother just because of some genetic mistake or life threatening condition.

In fact let's go the next logical step. Only hot chicks can reproduce (to keep the species good looking). Figure Ashcroft would make a fine judge for deciding the look of the next generation.

 

[Temple]

I am sitting here
trying to imagine what it is like
to live in your head.....

 

[theoak01]

Ive said it once and will say it again abortions are only ok if the girl was raped,I know then many girls will claim they were raped but Im talking if the girl reported it to the cops and is now pregnant

If I had it my way everyone would be on something to prevent reproduction until they passed a test proving they were ready and responsible enough to have kids

and for all you people who will scream thats taking our rights away,to fucking bad because there are to many fucking kids up for adoption or in foster homes because dick head parents

 

[Warik]

This brings me to a moral conflict.

I do believe abortion as a form of birth control is wrong.

I believe people have the right to personal privacy as well, which includes freedom from having sterilization forced on them.

I do, however, believe that convicted criminals lose these rights to personal privacy.

Conclusion? Forced sterilization should only be forced on people who are convicted criminals. Convicted of what crime? Abortion as a form of birth control.

Abortion needs to be criminalized. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional.

-Warik

 

[2Thick]

I see nothing wrong with abortions.

Once you have witnessed a few, you realize that it is a traumatic experience and not something a woman wants to do more than once.

With that being said, I would like to see more abortions and less useless people.

Is it not funny how conservatives complain about the poor people that eat up all of the social services and at the same time condemn abortion (which removes most of those people).

 

[TNH]

I agree, nothing big about an abortion. I'd rather be aborted as a fetus than live a crap life.

I think tons of people need to be sterilized, no just people who get abortions. I volunteer to have myself sterilized in fact.

 

[Warik]

Is it not funny how conservatives complain about the poor people that eat up all of the social services and at the same time condemn abortion (which removes most of those people).

No, it's not funny, because it makes sense.

Poor people have a right to live.

Fetuses who are going to be aborted have a right to live.

People have the right to not have their dollars confiscated to support someone else.

The problem with poor people eating up social services is not that they are alive - it's that they're eating up social services.

TNH: Crap lives are brought on by the people living them and not life itself. There is no such thing as fate.

So typical.

-Warik

 

[the nature boy]

lol @ temple

abortions are a necessary evil. an unwanted, unloved child grows up to become a monster.

Who is going to take care of these unwanted children? the foster care system? I hope not. The government? Is it the governments job to take care of unwanted children?

To protect society, abortions are needed.

 

[curling]

I agree.

Any women that would get an abortion because of complications that are endangering her life - out with her uterus! Let's not give someone a second chance at being a mother just because of some genetic mistake or life threatening condition.

All the more reason. If the aborted kids almost kills that the next one probably will to.

In fact let's go the next logical step. Only hot chicks can reproduce (to keep the species good looking). Figure Ashcroft would make a fine judge for deciding the look of the next generation.

This actually is not a bad idea(I mean hunters do it with deer) except I should be the judge not Ashcroft.

 

[theoak01]

lol @ temple

abortions are a necessary evil. an unwanted, unloved child grows up to become a monster.


.

I really dont think so

Im living proof that someone who's parents dont care about can have morals and values

the people who are monsters blame everyone else for their problems and use it for a excuse for all their fuck ups

 

[lil k]

i am pro choice plain and simple...

i do agree that abortion as a form of birth control is way wrong, but i tell you something...i would rather people go in for abortions than to have tons of kids sucking off society...

for me i guess its about the people themselves...if a woman is raped...or a under aged child gets pregnant and doesnt want their life to be ruined...i am fine with this....

however...you cant make it legal for some and not for others so i say keep abortion legal......its a humans right to choose....

gotta say that in my opinion...most men that are against abortion might change their position if they were women...i could be worng however...

just my opinion.....

 

[curling]

i am pro choice plain and simple...

i do agree that abortion as a form of birth control is way wrong, but i tell you something...i would rather people go in for abortions than to have tons of kids sucking off society...

for me i guess its about the people themselves...if a woman is raped...or a under aged child gets pregnant and doesnt want their life to be ruined...i am fine with this....

however...you cant make it legal for some and not for others so i say keep abortion legal......its a humans right to choose....

gotta say that in my opinion...most men that are against abortion might change their position if they were women...i could be worng however...

just my opinion.....

Kronkette this thread wasn't about if abortion is wrong or not. It is should the parents(I can't even believe I called them that) I mean the irresponsible parties should be nutered after having an abortion. In otherwords kill a kid no more kids for you unless you adopt which would be poetic justice and cure for the people that decide to have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really think this would be a good law the more I think about it.

 

[lil k]

Kronkette this thread wasn't about if abortion is wrong or not. It is should the parents(I can't even believe I called them that) I mean the irresponsible parties should be nutered after having an abortion. In otherwords kill a kid no more kids for you unless you adopt which would be poetic justice and cure for the people that decide to have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really think this would be a good law the more I think about it.

ok then...well i disagree with you....

the parents should still be allowed to have children in the future....lets say this as an example...

lets say you have a daughter and she is 12 years old...she is violently raped and gets pregnant....to ashamed to tell you she gets an abortion done so that she may save her childhood and life and not be reminded of the violant raping she went through....

would you want her to be "nutered" on the spot and never allow her to have children???

now you may say that it could never happen to you, but you would be wrong...children get aborations all over the place...heck they will go to underground doctors to get this done...

i understand your stance as it is a relegious one...however...i personally do not agree with this idea of not allowing people to have children anymore if they have an abortion...heck...they let people have 20 kids and eat up welfare and thats legal!!!!

 

[curling]

ok then...well i disagree with you....

the parents should still be allowed to have children in the future....lets say this as an example...

lets say you have a daughter and she is 12 years old...she is violently raped and gets pregnant....to ashamed to tell you she gets an abortion done so that she may save her childhood and life and not be reminded of the violant raping she went through....

Rape is a tough one. And I don't think the girl should be nutered(penatized) for something she didn't do intentially. But she would have to report the rape and prosecute the guy that raped her to fullest extent of the law to avoid the nutering phase of the abortion process.

i understand your stance as it is a relegious one...however...i personally do not agree with this idea of not allowing people to have children anymore if they have an abortion...heck...they let people have 20 kids and eat up welfare and thats legal!!!!

You understand that my idea will help with the welfare problem because alot of people will still have abortions that will want kids later in life that will adopt as the only method of getting one.

 

[big_bad_buff]

they should nuter every rapiest and cathlic priest

 

[notoriousQQ]

THAT IS TERRIBLEy funny

 

[theoak01]

they should nuter every rapiest and cathlic priest

rapiest yes preist no

yes some catholic priests did things that are horrifying,it has sadened the chruch greatly and the members,but to point out all for the actions of few is like saying all muslims are terrorists

 

[notoriousQQ]

Sorry, this is bothering me. Yes, I'm an a-hole, blahblah, but the proper spelling is as follows:

NEUTER


or the classy and chic term for it is castrate or castration.

 

[curling]

Sorry, this is bothering me. Yes, I'm an a-hole, blahblah, but the proper spelling is as follows:

NEUTER

Man, I knew should have consulted webster.

 

[Silent Method]

abortions are a necessary evil. an unwanted, unloved child grows up to become a monster.

So your philosophy is kill the baby's before they harm us huh?

Who knows which kid, who's parent may have chosen an abortion but couldn't, will grow up to be monsters? Certainly some will and some will not. However, this is no different that with every human being.

Yes, the childhood circumstances of that child who may have otherwise been aborted probably lend to a greater probability that he or she will be what the majority of us consider a less than an ideal person. But can you rightly say that it is better to kill first and ask questions later?

Assume the child has been born into an unwelcoming, unloving family. Why shouldn't we kill that child if the probability them growing up to be "bad" is higher than the average person? Just because the child was squeezed out of the mother some magic happens that changes the value of the life?



As far as sterilization for the those who use abortion as a form of birth control, I think it's an idea with merit in theory, but purely punitive. I don't like making laws to punish people for doing what the law allows. In addition, just as my objection or acceptance of abortion is conditional, so would my objection or acceptance of a sterilization policy.

If killing babys as a means of ducking responsibility was made illegal, the sterilization argument would be useless anyway.

 

[big_bad_buff]

rapiest yes preist no

yes some catholic priests did things that are horrifying,it has sadened the chruch greatly and the members,but to point out all for the actions of few is like saying all muslims are terrorists

well don't they take a life long vow of abstinence anyways? what's the difference?, just a little insurance. the whole catholic thing is a colt anyways.

 

[curling]

silent method good post. But my neutering phase is a punishment for doing something that shouldn't be done. But you are right if they are made illegal it is a mute point. I guess I was just trying to help the situation the way the law is now. But to overthrow them dumbass judges that made legal in the first would be the most ideal solution.

 

[Randy_Spears]

I love abortion! That way I get to fuck every bitch I feel like and then they go get an abortion if they get pregnant. They think they are using abortion in order to have lots of power over men, but not so, it just means I get to fuck all I want and not worry about paying child support. Nice try bitches! I get to get laid stress free! Hahahahahhaha

 

[Rockafella Skank]

If and only if the man who impregnated her gets clipped, too. I answer this way, not because of any anti-choice sentiment, but because the hypothesis assumes the female is the only person responsible for the pregnancy.

And ... if we're using terms lifted from the veterinary community, a female isn't neutered, a male is. A female is spayed.

 

[Silent Method]

I spelled babies wrong. And I give people shit for misspelling schizophrenia.

well don't they take a life long vow of abstinence anyways? what's the difference?, just a little insurance. the whole catholic thing is a colt anyways.

Technically, they are a cult. What's your definition of cult? I think the priests should be free to marry btw.


Randy_Spears, you post lacked any sense of humor. Do over.

 

[ariolanine]

How about neutering anyone that gets pregnant under the age of 25 without a college degree.

 

[big_bad_buff]

[B
What's your definition of cult? [/B]

i consider any religion a cult, jesus himself was against religion. christianity is one thing, but to take the truth, and ad what you want to it, and water it down, make up your own chants, religious acts Etc, makes it nothing more than a cult.

 

[Silent Method]

i consider any religion a cult, jesus himself was against religion. christianity is one thing, but to take the truth, and ad what you want to it, and water it down, make up your own chants, religions acts Etc, makes it nothing more than a cult.

Good enough for me.

 

[spongebob]

I agree.

Any women that would get an abortion because of complications that are endangering her life - out with her uterus! Let's not give someone a second chance at being a mother just because of some genetic mistake or life threatening condition.

In fact let's go the next logical step. Only hot chicks can reproduce (to keep the species good looking). Figure Ashcroft would make a fine judge for deciding the look of the next generation.

actually he said as a punishment for women using abortion as a form of birth control, not because of other circumstances like complications possibly harming the mother.

and the hot chick idea is actually really good. i dont think there is anything wrong with having just hot chicks around.

 

[spongebob]

Is it not funny how conservatives complain about the poor people that eat up all of the social services and at the same time condemn abortion (which removes most of those people).

yes, it is not funny. i didnt think the two issues were that related.

how about instead of killing them before they can live off our tax dollars we ask them to work when they are old enough.

 

[the nature boy]

So your philosophy is kill the baby's before they harm us huh?

Who knows which kid, who's parent may have chosen an abortion but couldn't, will grow up to be monsters? Certainly some will and some will not. However, this is no different that with every human being.

Yes, the childhood circumstances of that child who may have otherwise been aborted probably lend to a greater probability that he or she will be what the majority of us consider a less than an ideal person. But can you rightly say that it is better to kill first and ask questions later?

Assume the child has been born into an unwelcoming, unloving family. Why shouldn't we kill that child if the probability them growing up to be "bad" is higher than the average person? Just because the child was squeezed out of the mother some magic happens that changes the value of the life?

okay then, how do you feel about capital punishment and the chance that innocent people are put to death?

 

[Silent Method]

okay then, how do you feel about capital punishment and the chance that innocent people are put to death?

I don't like it, for just that reason - the chance of putting the wrong person to death.

Now, how did you mean for this to tie in here? I think your justification of abortion being a "necessary" evil because "an unwanted, unloved child grows up to become a monster" is like using capital punishment before any crime has been committed.

 

[theoak01]

i consider any religion a cult, jesus himself was against religion. christianity is one thing, but to take the truth, and ad what you want to it, and water it down, make up your own chants, religious acts Etc, makes it nothing more than a cult.

you have a opinion just as I have which are opposing,we could argue all day and nobody would win,although I wouldnt put down religion in general

I never use to have a religion until I established my won beliefs with no influence and my beliefs are teh closest to catholic than anything else

 

[juicetothegills]

i have two differents views on abortions i think there i ok because they do do alot to cut back on the population in the usa but i think they are bad because a child does not deserve to killed for there parents mistakes and i dont think its the parents dont like kids its because they arn't ready

 

[big_bad_buff]

you have a opinion just as I have which are opposing,we could argue all day and nobody would win,although I wouldnt put down religion in general

I never use to have a religion until I established my won beliefs with no influence and my beliefs are teh closest to catholic than anything else

everyone has the right to believe what they want. i don't want to put anyone down.....i believe in the holy bible. if any religion contradicts the words in this book, then it is false teaching, a cult, etc. doesn't everything branch of the bible anyways?

 

[Mandinka2]

My particular take

I guess this thread rose out of the superb(and unanswered) post made by Curling on the subject over crack mothers and spanking children.

First of all , we need to discuss why we have laws - and the philiosophical answer is to protect the masses. This is a very important point and often forgotten in modern society. Because we have abortion on demand we permit the killing of unborn kids to allow us to continue with our lives. But if you look at the experience of societies which do not have such an abortion regime (Ireland for example) what do you see? - LOWER teenage pregnancy , lower levels of unwanted pregnancy etc., etc.,Why? Cos they have a greater disincentive to risk it. Sure there are exceptions that will suffer but it is my view that this is the lesser of two evils - hurt a few is better than hurting many.

 

[curling]

MAndinka2,

Did I forget to answer something? I will go back and look and try to answer if I did. I am a little confused on you post are you saying you agree with me? Or are you saying abortion should be illegal like in Ireland.

I have heard one of the reasons the pro choice people fight so hard to keep killing babies legal is because there is big money in it for the butchers that do it.

 

[Temple]

Curling, out of curiousity do you think that the IUD should not be legal as a form of birth control as well???

 

[Mandinka2]

Curling

MAndinka2,

Did I forget to answer something? I will go back and look and try to answer if I did. I am a little confused on you post are you saying you agree with me? Or are you saying abortion should be illegal like in Ireland.

I have heard one of the reasons the pro choice people fight so hard to keep killing babies legal is because there is big money in it for the butchers that do it.

No , we are in perfect agreement , Ireland is an interesting case as although abortion is now technically legal there , the IMO (Irish medical organisation) delists any doctor involved in the performance of the procedure unless there is a direct (read not some bullshit suicide threat) medical threat to the life of the mother. BTW I think that to neuter the males is pretty damn fair too , although you haven't allowed for the case where the male wishes to havethe kid whereas the mother doesn't. What then , o sage?

 

[curling]

Curling, out of curiousity do you think that the IUD should not be legal as a form of birth control as well???

If I remember right, doesn't an IUD prevent the sperm from reaching the egg? IF that is the case I see no problem with it.

 

[curling]

Mandinka2,

In that case I guess the guy shouldn't be nuetered but would have to donate $3,000 to unwed mothers fund and teach abstinence classes once a week for a year.

 

[Silent Method]

Curling, out of curiousity do you think that the IUD should not be legal as a form of birth control as well???

I'd rank the IUD near abortion, well below barrier methods and traditional hormonal birth control.

 

[Mandinka2]

Curling

Fair enough , I like the idea for many reasons.
1. It makes money so you won'T have people goin' - oh these surgeries cost so much tax dollars etc.,
2. It would scare the shit outta a lot of guys (me included).

 

[Temple]

If I remember right, doesn't an IUD prevent the sperm from reaching the egg? IF that is the case I see no problem with it.

Some do that but they also prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

 

[curling]

Some do that but they also prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

Well if the egg is fertilized(meaning the sperm reached the egg) then I don't like IUD either. Why wouldn't the lady just use some other form of birth control or the guy use a condom. I mean you can't even feel those lamb skin condoms. And why don't guys just PULL OUT it doesn't feel that MUCH better compared to all the problems that come with an unwanted pregnacy now does it.

Mandinka2,

Actually my secretary came up with the donation and teaching the class thing. It would scare me too.

 

[Mandinka2]

Mandinka2,

Actually my secretary came up with the donation and teaching the class thing. It would scare me too.

Great girl your secretary I always said.

 

[Silent Method]

If I remember right, doesn't an IUD prevent the sperm from reaching the egg? IF that is the case I see no problem with it.

Some do that but they also prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

If they block sperm it is a combination of a traditional IUD and a barrier device.

The traditional IUD prevents a fertilized egg from implanting. I have mixed feelings on these. And would have to get into the biology a bit deeper. My feeling is that once the genomes of each cell combine, just a couple of cells or not, it is neither father nor mother - it's a new organisim.

 

[Temple]

Well if the egg is fertilized(meaning the sperm reached the egg) then I don't like IUD either. Why wouldn't the lady just use some other form of birth control or the guy use a condom. I mean you can't even feel those lamb skin condoms. And why don't guys just PULL OUT it doesn't feel that MUCH better compared to all the problems that come with an unwanted pregnacy now does it.

Mandinka2,

Actually my secretary came up with the donation and teaching the class thing. It would scare me too.

The "PULL OUT" method...now there is an effective form of birth control.

I must say that it is interesting how much influence folks on a chat board can have on a person. I used to be a staunch right wing conservative. Then I read a few posts by Curling and now I would describe myself as a flaming liberal.

 

[curling]

I just wanted to say this board has some very cool and smart people on it. I thought I would get flamed to no end for posting this idea when in fact most of you like it. I have been to other discussion board where they are so liberal it makes you sick. You know kill babies but eliminate the death penalty they are so odd. Elite kicks ass!

 

[Silent Method]

I used to be a staunch right wing conservative. Then I read a few posts by Curling and now I would describe myself as a flaming liberal.

You're right on track as a liberal. Latch on to the few flawed details in someone's statements that have no bearing on the core argument, and dismiss that core argument all together...

 

[Temple]

You're right on track as a liberal. Latch on to the few flawed details in someone's statements that have no bearing on the core argument, and dismiss that core argument all together...

LOL
Well, the core argument here is that if a woman has an abortion she should then be sterilized.
Personally I think that since vasectomies are easily reversable all males should be legally required to have one around the age of 12 and then when they can prove emotional, psychological and financial fitness to be a parent they can then have it reversed.

 

[Silent Method]

LOL
Well, the core argument here is that if a woman has an abortion she should then be sterilized.
Personally I think that since vasectomies are easily reversable all males should be legally required to have one around the age of 12 and then when they can prove emotional, psychological and financial fitness to be a parent they can then have it reversed.

Because you had made your response after having referenced curling's quote:

Well if the egg is fertilized(meaning the sperm reached the egg) then I don't like IUD either. Why wouldn't the lady just use some other form of birth control or the guy use a condom. I mean you can't even feel those lamb skin condoms. And why don't guys just PULL OUT it doesn't feel that MUCH better compared to all the problems that come with an unwanted pregnacy now does it.

I had assumed that you were referring to the content contained within that quote. The core arguments within the statement is that he believes the purposeful termination of a fertilized egg is wrong and that the parties involved should find alternative means of birth control.

I don't agree with what may be taken as the implied premise that it's the lady's sole responsibility to find adequate means of birth control. Nor do I agree that the "pull out" method is a realistic solution. Therefore, I don't agree with the "few flawed details" in the statement, but I do agree with the core of it.

 

[Temple]

Because you had made your response after having referenced curling's quote:
I had assumed that you were referring to the content contained within that quote. The core arguments within the statement is that he believes the purposeful termination of a fertilized egg is wrong and that the parties involved should find alternative means of birth control.

I don't agree with what may be taken as the implied premise that it's the lady's sole responsibility to find adequate means of birth control. Nor do I agree that the "pull out" method is a realistic solution. Therefore, I don't agree with the "few flawed details" in the statement, but I do agree with the core of it.

Gotcha. Actually the only part of that post that I was referencing was the pull out silliness. The rest of it was directed at the sum total of Curling's posts not only those on this thread.

 

[curling]

The "PULL OUT" method...now there is an effective form of birth control.

I must say that it is interesting how much influence folks on a chat board can have on a person. I used to be a staunch right wing conservative. Then I read a few posts by Curling and now I would describe myself as a flaming liberal.

Flaming huh?

 

[Norman Bates]

On the Curling Scale, where 1 is perfectly sane and 10 is nuke a few cities and genocide the whole middle east, this is clearly a 3.
Curling , you are getting old.

 

[curling]

Gotcha. Actually the only part of that post that I was referencing was the pull out silliness.

It might be silliness to you but it has worked for me for over 19 years. You just got to know when to yank it.

 

[Silent Method]

It might be silliness to you but it has worked for me for over 19 years. You just got to know when to yank it.

Maybe your man seed just can't sweat it up the canal. Pulling out has a very high falure rate among those who rely on it.

 

[curling]

Maybe your man seed just can't sweat it up the canal. Pulling out has a very high falure rate among those who rely on it.

No I just know my orgasm feeling. And if you pull out before pre cum I think the method works fine. If it is my man seeds are weak swimmers that is fine with me too.

 

[Silent Method]

No I just know my orgasm feeling. And if you pull out before pre cum I think the method works fine. If it is my man seeds are weak swimmers that is fine with me too.

If you near orgasm, you've already put some semen into your girl.

 

[GYSER]

I just did a paper on this...here it is....

Taking a stand…



On August first 2002 a 27 year old man filed a lawsuit to stop his ex-girlfriend from having an abortion. In the suit, John Stachokus contends that his girl friend is being pressured by her mother to have the procedure. He Is willing to take on full or partial custody of the child. ( “Judge orders woman to wait on abortion over law suit by father.” online. LexisNexus.1st Aug 2002)
There are many reasons for abortion these days, for instance rape, incest, children having children, fathers not wanting their child, or the parents both think it’s a bad idea at the time. Woamns rights allow this topic to have an open field. The same laws that protect a woman's parental choice also allows her to either, deprive a man of his right to become a parent, or force him to become one against his will.
Let’s take Jane, (the woman) and Jake (the male) here we have a fictitious couple to help illustrate the two major issues men deal with, when a woman uses these laws for their own personal gain.
1st scenario; Jake feels the love is dwindling, and he is unhappy with the relationship. He lets Jane know how he feels and tells her the two of them need to break away. Two months down the road Jake receives a phone call from Jane who is hysterical crying telling him that she is pregnant. Jake let’s Jane know immediately that he does not want any part of the pregnancy. At the time Jake is a college student whose net worth per year is about enough to do a load of laundry every two weeks. He explains to Jane that he is not financially ready to take on the responsibilities as a father, and he would pay for the abortion. 5 years down the road Jake is struggling to find a job, newly out of college with no leads, when he is sent a court subpoena for being a dead-beat dad. The judge orders Jake to pay all past child support, and he will also garnish Jakes wages now for the next 13 years, until the child becomes 18 years old. Jake is given visitation rights only on conditions.
2nd scenario; Jake and Jane break up after having a five year relationship. Jake knows that Jane is pregnant, but he is 100% willing to take on all the responsibilities of becoming a parent. Jane on the other hand is in shambles, the man she loves no longer wants her. Jane tells Jake that she has up too three months to make a solid decision to abort or not, because anything over three months could lead to complications for her own health. Jane lets Jake know that the only way she would have the child is if he would stay with her. He tells her that would not be fair to them, nor the child. Jane decides that she would call Jake everyday for the next three months and let him know how much time he has left to change his mind before she aborts the child. Jake tried everything he could to let Jane know how badly he wanted the child, but to Jane that was not good enough she wanted Jake and if she could not have him then she will abort the child. This went on for three months and each day grew harder and harder for Jake knowing that he begged and cried and pleaded with Jane, but no matter what he said to her it was not what she wanted to hear. Jake let her know that he would take the child if she did not want it, he also let her know that if she wanted to visit she could, and with out child support. Jake tried all he possibly could to have a child he truly wanted. Two days prior to the three month mark he received the last phone call from Jane, asking him if he had changed his mind on getting back with her, soon after he said no she ended the phone conversation. Later that day she slid the doctors’ bill under his door with a note reading; hey what can I say it’s a woman’s right.
I strongly believe in a woman’s right to choose, but I also believe that men also share in this right. I am not totally against abortion. I believe that it should be more controlled and something that can be as a service for the extreme cases such as rape, incest, or if the mother/unborn child’s health/life is at risk. I am totally against abortion out of convenience. The same laws that protect a woman's parental choice also allows her to either, deprive a man of his right to become a parent, or force him to become one against his will. These issues should be addressed, and woman’s rights should be re-written.

THIS WAS AN ESSAY WRITEN BY ME FOR COLLEGE..LAST WEEK..