If Barry wins a 2nd term ...

[PICK3]

If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

 

[Mr. dB]

What does it look like if the Bush tax cuts expire?

Also, let's see the prediction if Mittens wins?

 

[PICK3]

What does it look like if the Bush tax cuts expire?

Also, let's see the prediction if Mittens wins?

irregardless

it's still a shit ton of $$$

got to find me an

to get me sum!

 

[-SD-]

What does it look like if the Bush tax cuts expire?

Also, let's see the prediction if Mittens wins?

Probably the same or worse since capital will be fleeing the country for greener pastures to avoid taxes, as it already has been.
People will even renounce their own citizenship to avoid taxes (see FB cofounder)

What the government doesnt understand (nor you I suspect) is that people will not take higher taxes lying down, they will do whatever it takes to avoid higher taxes. People are self interested, as they should be. Its the way of the world and the government doesnt get it.

 

[mrplunkey]

^^^ Damn. Well said.

 

[PICK3]

drones don't grow on trees




just sayin'

 

[PICK3]

oh, yeah



olololol @ Plunkey paying moar!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PICK3]

Pakistan: U.S. Drone Strike Kills 10 In North Waziristan

U.S. Drone Strikes: White House Takes Lead On Drone Process

World News - US drone attack kills 8 suspected militants in northwest Pakistan

 

[Headholio]

Probably the same or worse since capital will be fleeing the country for greener pastures to avoid taxes, as it already has been.
People will even renounce their own citizenship to avoid taxes (see FB cofounder)

What the government doesnt understand (nor you I suspect) is that people will not take higher taxes lying down, they will do whatever it takes to avoid higher taxes. People are self interested, as they should be. Its the way of the world and the government doesnt get it.

Yeah that's why the country fell apart under Clinton when taxes were higher (same level Obama proposes) or why the country failed under Bush senior, or Ford, Nixon, and every other President since the great depression. Right?

 

[Headholio]

If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.

National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/03/19/chart_620_deficit_120319.jpg

Debt increase under Bush 5.6 T to 10.4 T = 78%
Under Reagan 900 billion to 2. 8 trillion = 210% increase.

Republicans are the masters of debt.

The number for Obama remains to be seen. I haven't checked the validity of this estimate yet. But, most of the debt under this administration is the fault of B__ (fill in the blank)
2 wars - Bush
Tax cuts in time of war - Bush
Crashed economy - Bush
TARP - Bush

 

[mrplunkey]

Debt increase under Bush 5.6 T to 10.4 T = 78%
Under Reagan 900 billion to 2. 8 trillion = 210% increase.

Republicans are the masters of debt.

The number for Obama remains to be seen. I haven't checked the validity of this estimate yet. But, most of the debt under this administration is the fault of B__ (fill in the blank)
2 wars - Bush
Tax cuts in time of war - Bush
Crashed economy - Bush
TARP - Bush

I hate to break this to you, but:

Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years

And he had control of both houses of congress and the presidency for the two years leading up to that.

 

[brownbrown]

I hate to break this to you, but:

Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years

And he had control of both houses of congress and the presidency for the two years leading up to that.

Its Called Compromise Plunkster. Give to get.

And He didnt have both houses for any time. The Minority ruled with Filibusters.
Nothing large was allowed to pass. Even the GOP/Obama care was watered down.

 

[mrplunkey]

Its Called Compromise Plunkster. Give to get.

And He didnt have both houses for any time. The Minority ruled with Filibusters.
Nothing large was allowed to pass. Even the GOP/Obama care was watered down.

Oh, you mean like the increase compromises on non-military spending Reagan had to make to get his tear-down-this-wall agenda implemented?

Yeah, I understand how those work. But it doesn't seem to liberals from bitching about Reagan's spending.

 

[brownbrown]

Oh, you mean like the increase compromises on non-military spending Reagan had to make to get his tear-down-this-wall agenda implemented?

Yeah, I understand how those work. But it doesn't seem to liberals from bitching about Reagan's spending.

Yes, When the Republican party was not opposed to Compromise and actually making hard choices and Governing.
Not the GOP of today. Compromise is a Dirty word now.
Prepare for another Government shutdown in the name of "Never Compromise".

 

[mrplunkey]

Yes, When the Republican party was not opposed to Compromise and actually making hard choices and Governing.
Not the GOP of today. Compromise is a Dirty word now.
Prepare for another Government shutdown in the name of "Never Compromise".

I'm just glad we agree that Reagan's debt was the result of a distasteful compromise on his part, as opposed to the misconception that it was his own unilateral spending.

And Barry told me he'd end politics as usual in Washington. We've entered a new era of responsible government, haven't we?

 

[brownbrown]

I'm just glad we agree that Reagan's debt was the result of a distasteful compromise on his part, as opposed to the misconception that it was his own unilateral spending.

And Barry told me he'd end politics as usual in Washington. We've entered a new era of responsible government, haven't we?

I DO NOT agree it was a result of Distasteful compromise.
Compromise but not distasteful. And I also do not agree all of Reagans debt was because he compromised with the Dems.

But I do agree that it was not unilateral on his part.
here's what he proposed and what he got. Its nearly identical

 

[Mr. dB]

And Barry told me he'd end politics as usual in Washington. We've entered a new era of responsible government, haven't we?

I'd say more blame for how things are done in Washington lies at Grover Norquist's feet than Barry Obama's.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'd say more blame for how things are done in Washington lies at Grover Norquist's feet than Barry Obama's.

Barry ran on producing an outcome of a Washington transformation.

He didn't deliver that outcome.

If he had said: "I'll work hard to bring both parties together better than every before", he could debate whether he delivered that promise or not.

But he didn't.

He ran on an outcome, not an effort. And I'd say you agree that the outcome isn't there.

 

[brownbrown]

Barry ran on producing an outcome of a Washington transformation.

He didn't deliver that outcome.

If he had said: "I'll work hard to bring both parties together better than every before", he could debate whether he delivered that promise or not.

But he didn't.

He ran on an outcome, not an effort. And I'd say you agree that the outcome isn't there.

That all you have?
a comment that he said he'll "try" to bring both parties together?
And after that comment We had what?

Mitch McConnel say "Our main goal is to make Obama a one term President"
Not Jobs, Not Deficit, Not The Economy

 

[mrplunkey]

That all you have?
a comment that he said he'll "try" to bring both parties together?
And after that comment We had what?

Mitch McConnel say "Our main goal is to make Obama a one term President"
Not Jobs, Not Deficit, Not The Economy

And when Mitch McConnel is president, we can hold him similarly accountable.

Barry ran on an outcome, not an effort. He didn't deliver the outcome.

Debate the effort all you want. Debate the spirit and intent as well. But don't even try to claim he produced the outcome.

 

[brownbrown]

And when Mitch McConnel is president, we can hold him similarly accountable.

Barry ran on an outcome, not an effort. He didn't deliver the outcome.

Debate the effort all you want. Debate the spirit and intent as well. But don't even try to claim he produced the outcome.

Umm, Mitch runs 1/3rd of the Legislative branch of America (*minority rule by filibuster). A branch that is needed to keep America running. So weather he's president or not. His words carry weight.
Along with Johnny Boener running another 1/3 of the Legislative Branch, and is Aligned with Mitch 100%.

The GOP/Tea Baggers ran on JOBS, but have done nothing of the sort since having control of the house.

So go ahead and play Obamapsychosis game. Hopefully people will see past the idiocy in November.

 

[Headholio]

Richard Simmons you are hopeless.

 

[mrplunkey]

Umm, Mitch runs 1/3rd of the Legislative branch of America (*minority rule by filibuster). A branch that is needed to keep America running. So weather he's president or not. His words carry weight.
Along with Johnny Boener running another 1/3 of the Legislative Branch, and is Aligned with Mitch 100%.

The GOP/Tea Baggers ran on JOBS, but have done nothing of the sort since having control of the house.

So go ahead and play Obamapsychosis game. Hopefully people will see past the idiocy in November.

Please post a quote from a credible source where either Boener or McConnel ran on a jobs outcome.

I don't remember a single time when they said: "Elect me, and I'll shrink the unemployment rate".

But I sure can remember when Barry promised us a new era of hope and change.

Round Brown:

I vehemently disagree with your politics, but I also know you are smart enough to differentiate between running on an outcome and running on effort. That's the part that sticks in your craw. You and I both know I'm right on this point.

 

[brownbrown]

Please post a quote from a credible source where either Boener or McConnel ran on a jobs outcome.

I don't remember a single time when they said: "Elect me, and I'll shrink the unemployment rate".

But I sure can remember when Barry promised us a new era of hope and change.

Round Brown:

I vehemently disagree with your politics, but I also know you are smart enough to differentiate between running on an outcome and running on effort. That's the part that sticks in your craw. You and I both know I'm right on this point.

Im usually not privy to your demands for sources, but I'll throw you a bone

You


Jobs bill blocked in Senate

Jobs bill blocked in Senate

IT's been 2 years since the Tea party Has swept the House. And EVERY ONE of them Ran on Getting Jobs Back. From Al West, Paul Ryan to Eric Cantor. Please dont tell your PHD memory cant remember this.

They said "jobs,job,jobs" , then started pushing bills on Abortion and birth control and Marriage shit.

You're on a redirect trip again Plunkster.
What Barry says and What Barry can do with a few hundred people that Vow to destroy him are two different things.
When the Sane GOP hopefully gets back in office, things should speed up and the partisanship bickering tone down a little.

At this point, The GOP is Bent on Destroying any efforts to Keep the country strong just to get the Negro out of their house.
If millions of peoples lives/lively hood weren't in play it would be amusing. Just because He has been governing as a Moderate Republican or Blue Dog Democrat.

 

[brownbrown]

I rest my case.

 

[machine23]

I DO NOT agree it was a result of Distasteful compromise.
Compromise but not distasteful. And I also do not agree all of Reagans debt was because he compromised with the Dems.

But I do agree that it was not unilateral on his part.
here's what he proposed and what he got. Its nearly identical

Typical liberal... Always blaming everyone else but themselves..

 

[brownbrown]

Typical liberal... Always blaming everyone else but themselves..

Do you know what unilateral means?
You obviously did not read the actual words..
Try reading the thread..

Because I blamed everyone in the post you fucking quoted Retard.

 

[mrplunkey]

Im usually not privy to your demands for sources, but I'll throw you a bone

You


Jobs bill blocked in Senate

Jobs bill blocked in Senate

There isn't a single statement in that video guaranteeing a positive jobs outcome.

IT's been 2 years since the Tea party Has swept the House. And EVERY ONE of them Ran on Getting Jobs Back. From Al West, Paul Ryan to Eric Cantor. Please dont tell your PHD memory cant remember this.

They said "jobs,job,jobs" , then started pushing bills on Abortion and birth control and Marriage shit.

You're on a redirect trip again Plunkster.
What Barry says and What Barry can do with a few hundred people that Vow to destroy him are two different things.
When the Sane GOP hopefully gets back in office, things should speed up and the partisanship bickering tone down a little.

At this point, The GOP is Bent on Destroying any efforts to Keep the country strong just to get the Negro out of their house.
If millions of peoples lives/lively hood weren't in play it would be amusing. Just because He has been governing as a Moderate Republican or Blue Dog Democrat.

The Tea Party ran on blocking Barry's destructive agenda. To that end, they've done most of that. I wish they had blocked more.

 

[Ffactor]

raising taxes won't make a dent. need to slash government. get rid of entitlement programs, slash the epa, osha, dot, fda, irs, cpa. cut defense in half. mission accomplished. we all know that no president, republican or democrat will do that. reagrdless of how much they talk about big government the republicans just won't do it if romney is elected. quit whining! word!

 

[machine23]

Do you know what unilateral means?
You obviously did not read the actual words..
Try reading the thread..

Because I blamed everyone in the post you fucking quoted Retard.

I quoted the wrong post. The statement still holds true tho

 

[machine23]

raising taxes won't make a dent. need to slash government. get rid of entitlement programs, slash the epa, osha, dot, fda, irs, cpa. cut defense in half. mission accomplished. we all know that no president, republican or democrat will do that. reagrdless of how much they talk about big government the republicans just won't do it if romney is elected. quit whining! word!

Who is this? Ron Paul!! Exactly bro.... This country is going down to hell tho man without a real president. Not a president that's owned by the elite

 

[Headholio]

raising taxes won't make a dent. need to slash government. get rid of entitlement programs, slash the epa, osha, dot, fda, irs, cpa. cut defense in half. mission accomplished. we all know that no president, republican or democrat will do that. reagrdless of how much they talk about big government the republicans just won't do it if romney is elected. quit whining! word!

Do you have an example of a country that is great thanks to having a weak government?

The model you and the Tea Party describe is easy to achieve. Its the model of any 3rd world country. Most people poor, a few very rich, no middle class, low taxes, poor people starving in the street with no where to go for assistance. The very few rich elite controlling everything and making rules to benefit themselves, while hoarding money away for the good of themselves and no one else.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? No EPA, FDA or any of those other horrible ideas. Drink the water and get sick; eat the food and get sick. Go to a river and see oil floating on it, buy counterfit products that don't work, see people walking around with severed limbs from their dangerous jobs that have no safety requirements, etc.

The Tea Party wants to be the opposite of progressive, so have devised the most radical and destructive agenda possible. Regressive back to the stone age.

 

[Ffactor]

Do you have an example of a country that is great thanks to having a weak government?

The model you and the Tea Party describe is easy to achieve. Its the model of any 3rd world country. Most people poor, a few very rich, no middle class, low taxes, poor people starving in the street with no where to go for assistance. The very few rich elite controlling everything and making rules to benefit themselves, while hoarding money away for the good of themselves and no one else.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? No EPA, FDA or any of those other horrible ideas. Drink the water and get sick; eat the food and get sick. Go to a river and see oil floating on it, buy counterfit products that don't work, see people walking around with severed limbs from their dangerous jobs that have no safety requirements, etc.

The Tea Party wants to be the opposite of progressive, so have devised the most radical and destructive agenda possible. Regressive back to the stone age.

Good points and yes I have been to "3rd world" country's and guess what, they don't look so "3rd world" anymore. my point is, if people are really concerned about reducing govn. debt, they must understand it would be impossible to reduce $15 trillion in debt by simply raising taxes and i'm all for people in wealthier brackets paying more taxes. by the way, i hate the tea party but i do admire ron paul. run of the mill tea party people are obstructionists and traitors and in general not very pleasant to look at.

 

[brownbrown]

Good points and yes I have been to "3rd world" country's and guess what, they don't look so "3rd world" anymore. my point is, if people are really concerned about reducing govn. debt, they must understand it would be impossible to reduce $15 trillion in debt by simply raising taxes and i'm all for people in wealthier brackets paying more taxes. by the way, i hate the tea party but i do admire ron paul. run of the mill tea party people are obstructionists and traitors and in general not very pleasant to look at.

No one is saying "only" raising taxes is the way to decrease the deficit. IT is part of the equation. Revenue AND Cuts.
It would be impossible to reduce the debt with just cuts.

And 3rd world is third world. And your blanket statement that they dont look 3rd world anymore is pointless. The fact that you didn't say where you were is a tell tale that you haven't been.

 

[Ffactor]

No one is saying "only" raising taxes is the way to decrease the deficit. IT is part of the equation. Revenue AND Cuts.
It would be impossible to reduce the debt with just cuts.

And 3rd world is third world. And your blanket statement that they dont look 3rd world anymore is pointless. The fact that you didn't say where you were is a tell tale that you haven't been.

agree with first part, disagree with 2nd. have been to india, thailand, vietnam and scheduled to go to nepal in a few weeks.

 

[brownbrown]

agree with first part, disagree with 2nd. have been to india, thailand, vietnam and scheduled to go to nepal in a few weeks.

Sitting in the Tourist district doesnt count.
I've been to India and its looks 3rd world... People shitting in the streets. Cows shitting in the streets, The smell is fucking bad. And people living in shacks like in Juarez and Tijuana

 

[Ffactor]

Sitting in the Tourist district doesnt count.
I've been to India and its looks 3rd world... People shitting in the streets. Cows shitting in the streets, The smell is fucking bad. And people living in shacks like in Juarez and Tijuana

i've seen the same here.

 

[Headholio]

No one is saying "only" raising taxes is the way to decrease the deficit. IT is part of the equation. Revenue AND Cuts.
It would be impossible to reduce the debt with just cuts.

And 3rd world is third world. And your blanket statement that they dont look 3rd world anymore is pointless. The fact that you didn't say where you were is a tell tale that you haven't been.

Yes revenue is an important part of the equation. The best way to increase revenue isn't to raise taxes but to grow the economy. Austerity has been a disaster in Europe. Reduced spending cuts jobs and hurts people, which reduces revenue more. Its a vicious circle. Taxes can be used to fund programs that put people to work. Their paychecks are spent in the economy and provide more demand. That's what will work.
The debt is revenue problem more than a spending problem.

Here's a good article about spending:

Business - Derek Thompson - Obama: Most Fiscally Conservative President in Modern History? - The Atlantic

 

[brownbrown]

Good post double H

 

[ismaele00]

agree with first part, disagree with 2nd. have been to india, thailand, vietnam and scheduled to go to nepal in a few weeks.

Puerto Príncipe (Port-au-Prince) in Haití is pretty cool... 95% of Haitians living in the most terrible powerty isn't...

You shoudln't talk about India, Thailand or Vietnam knowing them as a tourist when the 60, the 54 and the 83% of its population (for India, Thailand and Vietnam) live with less than US $ 100 per month.

IMO I'd like that Democrats win, my parents and brothers are americans so...

 

[Ffactor]

don't know what world you guys are living in sometimes, The World?s Largest Economies 2012 ‹ The Richest People In The World 2012, india is the 4th largest economy in the world barely trailing behind japan, it's true there are many poor people in india due to population density but examples like poop and smell are irrelevant, china will surpass the u.s. economy in 5 years, india in 10. this is part of a normal cycle. no reason to be intimidated by it.

 

[javaguru]

Umm, Mitch runs 1/3rd of the Legislative branch of America (*minority rule by filibuster). A branch that is needed to keep America running. So weather he's president or not. His words carry weight.
Along with Johnny Boener running another 1/3 of the Legislative Branch, and is Aligned with Mitch 100%.

The GOP/Tea Baggers ran on JOBS, but have done nothing of the sort since having control of the house.

So go ahead and play Obamapsychosis game. Hopefully people will see past the idiocy in November.

1/3rd? It's been about 20 years since I've had a poli sci class but I was taught the Senate and House constitute the legislative branch?

PS Barrycare was passed via simple majority vote....just sayin'.

 

[javaguru]

Yeah that's why the country fell apart under Clinton when taxes were higher (same level Obama proposes) or why the country failed under Bush senior, or Ford, Nixon, and every other President since the great depression. Right?

1. Capital gains taxes decreased dramatically under Clinton; Which benefitted Wall Street over highly paid professionals.

2. while interest rates were artificially low which pushed the tech bubble which eventually created the recession.

Monetary policy has just been pushing the economy from one recession to the next. Look at the economy and spending since the United States went fully fiat in 1973; A 1973 dollar can buy about 5 cents worth of goods today...That's the hidden tax.

3. Can we bury the myth of the Clinton balanced budget? Government accounting is designed to obfiscate what is actually happening. Americans assume a balanced budget means that revenues match expenditures...that's common sense; Which also implies no need to borrow money.

The US Treasurey website will verify this data cause it's where I got it...
The last column is the deficit...2000 was close but no cigar, pun intended.
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

 

[javaguru]

Yes revenue is an important part of the equation. The best way to increase revenue isn't to raise taxes but to grow the economy. Austerity has been a disaster in Europe. Reduced spending cuts jobs and hurts people, which reduces revenue more. Its a vicious circle. Taxes can be used to fund programs that put people to work. Their paychecks are spent in the economy and provide more demand. That's what will work.
The debt is revenue problem more than a spending problem.

Here's a good article about spending:

Business - Derek Thompson - Obama: Most Fiscally Conservative President in Modern History? - The Atlantic

Germany may be on the verge of a real estate bubble and their economy is booming while they are promoting austerity. Yes, austerity is terrible for the med members of the euro zone which have economies tied to a currency that is over valued but the Germans are benefitting from an undervalued currency for their economy. If Germany still had the Mark...their exports wouldn't be competitive.

 

[javaguru]

Do you have an example of a country that is great thanks to having a weak government?

The model you and the Tea Party describe is easy to achieve. Its the model of any 3rd world country. Most people poor, a few very rich, no middle class, low taxes, poor people starving in the street with no where to go for assistance. The very few rich elite controlling everything and making rules to benefit themselves, while hoarding money away for the good of themselves and no one else.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? No EPA, FDA or any of those other horrible ideas. Drink the water and get sick; eat the food and get sick. Go to a river and see oil floating on it, buy counterfit products that don't work, see people walking around with severed limbs from their dangerous jobs that have no safety requirements, etc.

The Tea Party wants to be the opposite of progressive, so have devised the most radical and destructive agenda possible. Regressive back to the stone age.

The United States, we had some hiccups with the brutal dictator Lincoln and other statists, but the United States surpassed the English Empire in GDP by 1890 with a relatively weak central government. It's an amazing tale, going from a colony to the most powerful economy in the world in less than a century, it has never happened before in human history which refutes the statist mercantilism of England as the best way to grow an economy.

Everywhere property righst are protected by the government the people flourish; The third world you are referencing tend to be socialist.

 

[brownbrown]

don't know what world you guys are living in sometimes, The World?s Largest Economies 2012 ‹ The Richest People In The World 2012, india is the 4th largest economy in the world barely trailing behind japan, it's true there are many poor people in india due to population density but examples like poop and smell are irrelevant, china will surpass the u.s. economy in 5 years, india in 10. this is part of a normal cycle. no reason to be intimidated by it.

Look at the GDP per Capita. Also the average income per capita...

 

[javaguru]

Look at the GDP per Capita. Also the average income per capita...

why?

GDP is a silly metric and GDP per capita is even sillier but I guess it depends on what you want to measure for your political purpose; The fact you are so uninformed about how those numbers are created makes me feel sad for humanty.

 

[brownbrown]

Puerto Príncipe (Port-au-Prince) in Haití is pretty cool... 95% of Haitians living in the most terrible powerty isn't...

You shoudln't talk about India, Thailand or Vietnam knowing them as a tourist when the 60, the 54 and the 83% of its population (for India, Thailand and Vietnam) live with less than US $ 100 per month.

IMO I'd like that Democrats win, my parents and brothers are americans so...

You're right Ish

 

[javaguru]

You're right Ish

Why?

 

[brownbrown]

The President

The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the legislation created by Congress.

 

[javaguru]

The President

The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the legislation created by Congress.

Yes, the POTUS is the executive branch..,,I learned that early. I'm waiting for your explanation of the 1/3 rule of it being part of the legislative branch...school me...

 

[Ffactor]

Look at the GDP per Capita. Also the average income per capita...

Completely irrelevant. Same as China, you'll get that for overpopulated country's. It will normalize in the next few years. China and India are competing amongst thmeselves and with the U.S. Goldman Sachs next 11 country's will follow soon. Europe is done, with the collapse of the Eurozone it will be interesting to see what happens. Question is, why does this intimidate you?

 

[brownbrown]

Completely irrelevant. Same as China, you'll get that for overpopulated country's. It will normalize in the next few years. China and India are competing amongst thmeselves and with the U.S. Goldman Sachs next 11 country's will follow soon. Europe is done, with the collapse of the Eurozone it will be interesting to see what happens. Question is, why does this intimidate you?

Irrelevant?
It hasn't normalized in India. Its Been decades since they've become a power, and they still live in squalor.
China the same. The money is there but concentrated to a small amount of people.
And its hapoening here. The top OS getting stronger and rhe middle and bottom poorer.


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[Ffactor]

Irrelevant?
It hasn't normalized in India. Its Been decades since they've become a power, and they still live in squalor.
China the same. The money is there but concentrated to a small amount of people.
And its hapoening here. The top OS getting stronger and rhe middle and bottom poorer.


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The way it should be. People don't deserve $20/hr to screw in a bolt. Don't think class difference will ever reach those proportions here.

 

[brownbrown]

The way it should be. People don't deserve $20/hr to screw in a bolt. Don't think class difference will ever reach those proportions here.

Don't think? It's already happening. the Top 20% of America has 86% of its wealth.

Who are you to Judge the validity of someone work?
I don't think people that push paper should get $2 million dollars a year.
Oddly enough, You dont understand that countries that have such income disparity are on the Bottom of the barrel of success. America was strongest when it had a Strong Middle class.

 

[Ffactor]

Don't think? It's already happening. the Top 20% of America has 86% of its wealth.

Who are you to Judge the validity of someone work?
I don't think people that push paper should get $2 million dollars a year.
Oddly enough, You dont understand that countries that have such income disparity are on the Bottom of the barrel of success. America was strongest when it had a Strong Middle class.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one but a large part of why this economy is failing and jobs are going overseas is because of uions and paying people $20/hr. to screw in a lightbulb. In fact I do understand these contry's probably as much as you do because my firm does business in these country's and I travel quite a bit. How much do you think entrepreneurs, innovators, silicon valley and Wall Street executives should make, $20/hr? Should we roll back to communism and Soviet era economics? Do you have any idea what these "paper pushers" do. I have a pretty good idea of how to screw in a bolt or a lightbulb or work on an auto assembly line simply because I have witnessed these first hand.

 

[brownbrown]

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one but a large part of why this economy is failing and jobs are going overseas is because of uions and paying people $20/hr. to screw in a lightbulb. In fact I do understand these contry's probably as much as you do because my firm does business in these country's and I travel quite a bit. How much do you think entrepreneurs, innovators, silicon valley and Wall Street executives should make, $20/hr? Should we roll back to communism and Soviet era economics? Do you have any idea what these "paper pushers" do. I have a pretty good idea of how to screw in a bolt or a lightbulb or work on an auto assembly line simply because I have witnessed these first hand.

If you honestly believe that 6% of the workforce being Union is what caused the mass exodus of jobs. Then you are truly Jaded. No Matter what, A Bowl of Rice will always be cheaper than a BigMac.
The Exous of Jobs was a calculated move. Legislation that made it Cheaper to import is the cause.
You've "seen first hand" manual labor. Good for you. It doesn't mean you can do it.
Yes I know what paper pushers do.. And it's not "hard work" . Stressful, but not hard.
So you're telling me that The Police and Firemen need to get paid less? They are Union.

 

[mrplunkey]

If you honestly believe that 6% of the workforce being Union is what caused the mass exodus of jobs. Then you are truly Jaded. No Matter what, A Bowl of Rice will always be cheaper than a BigMac.

It's unions, the EEOC, DoL, out of control torts, vilification of success and our ridiculous tax code that creates the mass exodus of jobs.

The Exous of Jobs was a calculated move. Legislation that made it Cheaper to import is the cause.

Tariffs and trade wars don't work.

You've "seen first hand" manual labor. Good for you. It doesn't mean you can do it.
Yes I know what paper pushers do.. And it's not "hard work" . Stressful, but not hard.

It is hard because so few people (relatively speaking) can do it. If you think it isn't hard, go do it for a while and crank-out a few million (or billion) dollars. Think about how much good you could do giving all that cash away.

So you're telling me that The Police and Firemen need to get paid less? They are Union.

Ahhh... the old police and fireman argument. So I guess you 100% oppose any defense cuts too, right? Or do you want to see our soldiers in harm's way without bullet proof vests and tourniquets?

 

[-SD-]

Supply and demand
The demand for executive level "paper pushers" will always be more than the supply of people capable of holding thise positions.
The demand for lightbulb screwers is low because there are so many people capable of it.

Artificially inflating a light bulb position to $20/hr doesnt do anyone any good long term.

In capitalism economy you just cant get around the old supply and demand no matter what government tinkering is applied

 

[Headholio]

Don't think? It's already happening. the Top 20% of America has 86% of its wealth.

Another way to break it down, maybe even more shocking, 40 of Americans have less than 1% of the wealth.
Meanwhile Republicans say taxing the rich doesn't generate enough money, yet they whine about how half the people don't pay tax. Like no one can notice the hypocrisy of trying to get a slice of 1 percent of the total instead of a slice of 86%. Half the country has nothing, but republicans like Orin Hatch think that's who we need to tax to get more revenue.

Screw the average American, protect the rich.

 

[Headholio]

1. Capital gains taxes decreased dramatically under Clinton; Which benefitted Wall Street over highly paid professionals.

2. while interest rates were artificially low which pushed the tech bubble which eventually created the recession.

Monetary policy has just been pushing the economy from one recession to the next. Look at the economy and spending since the United States went fully fiat in 1973; A 1973 dollar can buy about 5 cents worth of goods today...That's the hidden tax.

3. Can we bury the myth of the Clinton balanced budget? Government accounting is designed to obfiscate what is actually happening. Americans assume a balanced budget means that revenues match expenditures...that's common sense; Which also implies no need to borrow money.

The US Treasurey website will verify this data cause it's where I got it...
The last column is the deficit...2000 was close but no cigar, pun intended.
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

- No one mentioned Clinton balanced budget so....?
- It doesn't matter that that Clinton dropped the Capitol Gains tax. It was still higher then than it is now, as was the top tax rate for ordinary income.
You seem to have missed the point, which was that the supposed negative impact of Obamas logical proposal to increase tax on the rich is easily debunked by the historical record.

 

[Headholio]

The United States, we had some hiccups with the brutal dictator Lincoln

Yeeee haaa!!!!!

Everywhere property righst are protected by the government the people flourish; The third world you are referencing tend to be socialist.

They tend to be oligarchies or fascist. In the third world, people have nothing. They don't own the means of production or benefit from it. People don't work for the betterment of society, they work for a scrap of bread and to further enrich the elite. Therefore, my analogy of the tea party ideals to third world ideals is valid; trashing public programs, and pandering to the rich.

 

[layddually]

Obama is just a puppet who has done absolutely nothing. Glad I didn't vote for him. Funny watching you guys argue over Obama, bush etc they are all crooks and stealing our freedom people wake the fuck up....

 

[brownbrown]

Obama is just a puppet who has done absolutely nothing. Glad I didn't vote for him. Funny watching you guys argue over Obama, bush etc they are all crooks and stealing our freedom people wake the fuck up....

You're welcome to move out when ever you want. That freedom is open still. Maybe you've have more freedom in Mexico.
Thanks for your valuable input to the thread.

 

[brownbrown]

raising taxes won't make a dent. need to slash government. get rid of entitlement programs, slash the epa, osha, dot, fda, irs, cpa. cut defense in half. mission accomplished. we all know that no president, republican or democrat will do that. reagrdless of how much they talk about big government the republicans just won't do it if romney is elected. quit whining! word!

 

[mistaballoonhands]

All this bitching back and forth is giving me a Hardon.

Plz continue

 

[smurf2]

lol

 

[oxymoron]

It's all how you want to spin the numbers....I'm paraphrasing an old article but the content says the debt during Bush’s eight years in office increased from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion... 4.9 trillion over eight yearsor $610 billion per year which is crazy. But from taking office to spring of 2011 the debt had increased from $10.6 trillion to $14.2 trillion which is 3.6 trillion increase in about 27 months. Obama is increasing the debt by 1.6 trillion per year, three times as fast as Bush. These are national treasurey figures.

Due to the industry i'm in I didn't vote for him. But I liked what obama had to say during his '08 campaign and wasn't bothered by his election but I have never been more let down in my life and when the issues are addressed by him its diversion and mis-direction. He will not answer straight up questions only talk away from the point for literally 10 min and then... uhhh next question. All politicians do this I know but shit get him out of there and let someone else try something. I watched him the other day talking about jp morgan cheating the common man and they will be investigated but i flipped over from msnbc to cnn and they had a story how the ceo of jp morgan had been to the white house 16 fucking times for dinner in the last 3 yrs lol. maybe a mormon will live up to his values and try and do what right.

 

[Headholio]

It's all how you want to spin the numbers....I'm paraphrasing an old article but the content says the debt during Bush’s eight years in office increased from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion... 4.9 trillion over eight yearsor $610 billion per year which is crazy. But from taking office to spring of 2011 the debt had increased from $10.6 trillion to $14.2 trillion which is 3.6 trillion increase in about 27 months. Obama is increasing the debt by 1.6 trillion per year, three times as fast as Bush. These are national treasurey figures.

The debt is increasing as you say, but that's not Obama. Before Obama took office, the January 6, 2009 CBO forcast was a 1.2 trillion dollar shortfall for the coming year. If it was known before Obama took office, how could it be Obama's fault? Subsequent years have been the same problem. The debt is due to lack of revenue caused by Bushes blunder with the economy, and the 2 wars, and Bushes Medicare part D, and Bushes tax cuts. You can blame Obama for spending the stimulus money, but he needed to to save this country, and would not have had to spend it if Bush hadn't destroyed the economy.

Due to the industry i'm in I didn't vote for him. But I liked what obama had to say during his '08 campaign and wasn't bothered by his election but I have never been more let down in my life and when the issues are addressed by him its diversion and mis-direction. He will not answer straight up questions only talk away from the point for literally 10 min and then... uhhh next question. All politicians do this I know but shit get him out of there and let someone else try something. I watched him the other day talking about jp morgan cheating the common man and they will be investigated but i flipped over from msnbc to cnn and they had a story how the ceo of jp morgan had been to the white house 16 fucking times for dinner in the last 3 yrs lol. maybe a mormon will live up to his values and try and do what right.

As for JP Morgan, it is true that Obama, and all politicians are too cozy with the Banksters, but if you think Romney will handle bankers better because of his "Mormon values" you are crazy. He is king of the Banksters. He thinks they are the only humans who matter.

 

[Headholio]

Javaguru, do you call Lincoln a brutal dictator because you are pro-slavery? Just curious.

 

[mrplunkey]

The debt is increasing as you say, but that's not Obama. Before Obama took office, the January 6, 2009 CBO forcast was a 1.2 trillion dollar shortfall for the coming year. If it was known before Obama took office, how could it be Obama's fault? Subsequent years have been the same problem. The debt is due to lack of revenue caused by Bushes blunder with the economy, and the 2 wars, and Bushes Medicare part D, and Bushes tax cuts. You can blame Obama for spending the stimulus money, but he needed to to save this country, and would not have had to spend it if Bush hadn't destroyed the economy.

If Barry's entire four years were going to be squashed by your so-call "Bush Blunders', then why did he sell a on that crapload of "Hope and Change" and "A Different Kind of Washington"? If the die had had already been cast for our next four years, then Barry has to be one of the most disingenuous liars on the planet.

 

[Headholio]

If Barry's entire four years were going to be squashed by your so-call "Bush Blunders', then why did he sell a on that crapload of "Hope and Change" and "A Different Kind of Washington"? If the die had had already been cast for our next four years, then Barry has to be one of the most disingenuous liars on the planet.

You have to remember Plunkey, that the campaign for the 2008 election began before the crash. The agenda for the candidates was not about saving the world from a depression during most of the campaign season (Dow Jones October 2007 over 14,000; on inaugeration day, less than 8,000). The things Obama wanted to do had to take a back seat to saving the world.

The other problem with changing Washington has been the evil obstructionist shananagens of the Republican party. They will let people starve and lose jobs rather than see the country improve under Obama.

 

[-SD-]

Screw the poor they dont do shit lol

 

[mrplunkey]

You have to remember Plunkey, that the campaign for the 2008 election began before the crash. The agenda for the candidates was not about saving the world from a depression during most of the campaign season (Dow Jones October 2007 over 14,000; on inaugeration day, less than 8,000). The things Obama wanted to do had to take a back seat to saving the world.

The other problem with changing Washington has been the evil obstructionist shananagens of the Republican party. They will let people starve and lose jobs rather than see the country improve under Obama.

GorillaHung:

Surely you don't believe that.

That's as ridiculous as me saying that if it weren't for George Bush, we'd all be under Taliban rule here in the us by now.

 

[-SD-]

GorillaHung:

Surely you don't believe that.

That's as ridiculous as me saying that if it weren't for George Bush, we'd all be under Taliban rule here in the us by now.

What you didnt know? A few upticks in unemployment and lowered property values beckon the end of the world. Slamming airliners into downtown NY and the pentagon, killing thousands and untold economic damage? Not so much

 

[mrplunkey]

What you didnt know? A few upticks in unemployment and lowered property values beckon the end of the world. Slamming airliners into downtown NY and the pentagon, killing thousands and untold economic damage? Not so much

Apparently so.

 

[Headholio]

What you didnt know? A few upticks in unemployment and lowered property values beckon the end of the world. Slamming airliners into downtown NY and the pentagon, killing thousands and untold economic damage? Not so much

Oh yeah that was Bushes fault too. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Headholio]

GorillaHung:

Surely you don't believe that.

That's as ridiculous as me saying that if it weren't for George Bush, we'd all be under Taliban rule here in the us by now.

What that the world needed to be saved? Apparently GW thought so. Don't you remember him stammering and shaking like a scared little girl in September 08 telling the country we need to donate 1 trillion dollars to the banksters today- sorry it can't wait til Monday or the earths economy will collapse? That's the situation we were in.

 

[mrplunkey]

Oh yeah that was Bushes fault too. Thanks for reminding me.

Slick Willy decided to get hummers in the oval office and ride the $5 trillion internet bubble instead of protecting us from Osama and Al Queda.

Bush's wars were Willie's messes. The difference is Bush didn't spend his eight years whining about his predecessor like Barry does.

Instead Bush took the war to them which Barry obviously agreed with it since he supersized the war in Afghanistan.

 

[Headholio]

Slick Willy decided to get hummers in the oval office and ride the $5 trillion internet bubble instead of protecting us from Osama and Al Queda.

Bush's wars were Willie's messes. The difference is Bush didn't spend his eight years whining about his predecessor like Barry does.

Instead Bush took the war to them which Barry obviously agreed with it since he supersized the war in Afghanistan.

Bush got an intelligence report 1 month before 9-11 about a plot to use planes as weapons. He ignored it.
Nice try blaming Clinton.

Afganistan is another Bush blunder. I had no problem going in there. That's where Bin Laden was living after all. But he took his eye off the ball. He bungled the war. He never got Bin Laden, he never got Mullah Omar. He disbanded the CIA department dedicated to finding Bin Laden. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Of course Obama had to "supersize" the war in Afganistan. Just like he had to reestablish the CIA priority for finding Bin Laden. Just two more Bush Blunders Obama had to fix. Thanks for bring them up.

As for Bush, there is something you righties need to get into your heads. The financial disaster and bungling of wars was his fault. Is his fault. Will always be his fault. Blame doesn't expire. He owns the blame and always will. Its in the history books, in permanent ink.

 

[dred757]

WHERE ARE THE SO CALLED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION??????? THE FUCKN WHOLE REASON WE SUPPOSEDLY WENT TO WAR FOR ANYWAY!!!!!! I GOT TOO MANY FRIENDS AND FELLOW SERVICEMEMBERS THAT PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE FOR THAT STUPID MTFKRS DECISIONS!!!!

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[machine23]

Hey bro, it's the same with Iran...

 

[mrplunkey]

Bush got an intelligence report 1 month before 9-11 about a plot to use planes as weapons. He ignored it.
Nice try blaming Clinton.

Afganistan is another Bush blunder. I had no problem going in there. That's where Bin Laden was living after all. But he took his eye off the ball. He bungled the war. He never got Bin Laden, he never got Mullah Omar. He disbanded the CIA department dedicated to finding Bin Laden. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Of course Obama had to "supersize" the war in Afganistan. Just like he had to reestablish the CIA priority for finding Bin Laden. Just two more Bush Blunders Obama had to fix. Thanks for bring them up.

As for Bush, there is something you righties need to get into your heads. The financial disaster and bungling of wars was his fault. Is his fault. Will always be his fault. Blame doesn't expire. He owns the blame and always will. Its in the history books, in permanent ink.

And being able to convince weak minds that "It's All Bush's Fault" is the only hope Barry has in getting re-elected. He sure as hell isn't going to run on his record.

 

[mrplunkey]

Oh... and as far as history goes:

1) Clinton will go down as the guy who got hummers while militant islam armed themselves.

2) Bush will go down as the guy who should have done more to burst the subprime mortgage bubble sooner.

3) Obama will go down as the guy who bankrupted and ruined health care forever, divided Americans more ways than ever and permanently damaged (probably irreparably) our tax base.

 

[Headholio]

And being able to convince weak minds that "It's All Bush's Fault" is the only hope Barry has in getting re-elected. He sure as hell isn't going to run on his record.

And weak minds are exactly where my comment was targeted.


Facts are facts. The truth isn't a hard sell.

 

[Headholio]

You are killing me with your simple minded talking points

Oh... and as far as history goes:

1) Clinton will go down as the guy who got hummers while militant islam armed themselves.

Armed themselves with what? An American Airlines jet? If you are talking about the arms that Donald Rumsfeld and Ronny Reagan gave to Bin Laden, it was long before Clinton.
You are like Hannity or something, trying to blame Clinton just because he was a democrat. But Bush is the one who failed. Why try to defend him? Because he is in "your" party?

2) Bush will go down as the guy who should have done more to burst the subprime mortgage bubble sooner.

He wishes that was the only knock against him. And if he did do that, it would have pissed off all you so called "free market" righties. Are you suggesting banks need more regulation? Or can't you make the connection?

3) Obama will go down as the guy who bankrupted and ruined health care forever, divided Americans more ways than ever and permanently damaged (probably irreparably) our tax base.

Maybe you should turn off the radio and read something. Obama hasn't made a dent in healthcare. And if the radical Supreme court doesn't destroy it, Healthcare reform will save 250 billion dollars by 2021 according to the CBO.
And if we had a real social medicine program like EVERY other developed nation, our healthcare costs would be about 9% of GDP instead of 18% of GDP, which would save us 300 billion every year! The Republican plan on the other hand, is let the CEO's continue to make 100 million a year or more, and well, that's about it.

You are really having trouble understanding divided America. I suggest you do some research on; fake concerns over real birth certificates, racism, republicans threatening to bankrupt the country instead of compromising, fear mongering about socialism, and daily lies broadcast by Fox news. Do some reading. It will help you.

 

[mrplunkey]

You are killing me with your simple minded talking points


Armed themselves with what? An American Airlines jet? If you are talking about the arms that Donald Rumsfeld and Ronny Reagan gave to Bin Laden, it was long before Clinton.
You are like Hannity or something, trying to blame Clinton just because he was a democrat. But Bush is the one who failed. Why try to defend him? Because he is in "your" party?


He wishes that was the only knock against him. And if he did do that, it would have pissed off all you so called "free market" righties. Are you suggesting banks need more regulation? Or can't you make the connection?



Maybe you should turn off the radio and read something. Obama hasn't made a dent in healthcare. And if the radical Supreme court doesn't destroy it, Healthcare reform will save 250 billion dollars by 2021 according to the CBO.
And if we had a real social medicine program like EVERY other developed nation, our healthcare costs would be about 9% of GDP instead of 18% of GDP, which would save us 300 billion every year! The Republican plan on the other hand, is let the CEO's continue to make 100 million a year or more, and well, that's about it.

You are really having trouble understanding divided America. I suggest you do some research on; fake concerns over real birth certificates, racism, republicans threatening to bankrupt the country instead of compromising, fear mongering about socialism, and daily lies broadcast by Fox news. Do some reading. It will help you.

Oh, so the CBO is the absolute standard for assessing the cost of Barrycare?

Then you need to turn-off MSNBC and watch the real world for a bit. Here's the LATEST CBO estimate.

CBO: ObamaCare Price Tag Shifts from $940 Billion to $1.76 Trillion - Yahoo! News

The program hasn't even kicked-in and it's off the original estimate by $820 Billion. It isn't saving a damn dime. It's COSTING $820 billion. And that's with $500B in fake Medicare cuts and another $500B in fake "doc fix" assumptions that will never, ever, never, never, never, ever be implemented. So in reality, the 10-year cost is at least $820B + $500B + $500B = $1.82 Trillion dollars. Good luck paying that with Barry running-off every high-end taxpayer in the country. This should work out just peachy.

Or is the CBO suddenly wrong?

 

[Mr. dB]

The program hasn't even kicked-in and it's off the original estimate by $820 Billion. It isn't saving a damn dime. It's COSTING $820 billion. And that's with $500B in fake Medicare cuts and another $500B in fake "doc fix" assumptions that will never, ever, never, never, never, ever be implemented. So in reality, the 10-year cost is at least $820B + $500B + $500B = $1.82 Trillion dollars. ...

Or is the CBO suddenly wrong?

Well, as far as cost overruns go, almost double isn't too bad for government work. Compared to, say, the cost of Afghanistan and Iraq...

Good luck paying that with Barry running-off every high-end taxpayer in the country. This should work out just peachy.

Yeah, that near-historical-low top marginal rate is chasing off all the rich people...

 

[mrplunkey]

Well, as far as cost overruns go, almost double isn't too bad for government work. Compared to, say, the cost of Afghanistan and Iraq...

Haha... we've gone from how Barrycare will "save us money" to "isn't too bad for government work".

The original Medicare estimate was off by a factor of 10. Right now beneficiaries suck-out $3 in cost for every $1 they paid in. If the government had to account for it's unrecognized liabilities, last year's deficit would be $5 trillion dollars.

Barrycare will be much worse and still only covers an additional 16M people.

 

[mrplunkey]

Where's our token liberals?

 

[Ffactor]

And being able to convince weak minds that "It's All Bush's Fault" is the only hope Barry has in getting re-elected. He sure as hell isn't going to run on his record.

I'm gonna have to disagree on this one Plunker's. I'm no liberal but I think at the end of the day Obama did pretty much what he said he was going to do during his election campaign.

 

[Spartacus]

WHERE ARE THE SO CALLED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION??????? THE FUCKN WHOLE REASON WE SUPPOSEDLY WENT TO WAR FOR ANYWAY!!!!!! I GOT TOO MANY FRIENDS AND FELLOW SERVICEMEMBERS THAT PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE FOR THAT STUPID MTFKRS DECISIONS!!!!

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forty four posts and you express in all caps
Spartacus doesn't use alters
because Spartacus is Spartacus
and I'm a captalist
leech

 

[Spartacus]

what Spartacus is saying is that everyone can be a captialist.

bodybuilding is the finest form of captalism
and you see how well most do
take your social welfare/communism and shove it

 

[Spartacus]

posit going to the gym and doing 40 sets
and 15 go to those on the sofa
fuck you weaklings

 

[Spartacus]

you disgust me
you cops,pigs,bus drivers, DMV workers etc. et.al.
you are not going to get that retirement package
I'm not paying for it
try getting your retirement package out of thin air

 

[Spartacus]

we'll work on the details about how do properly spell captitlism
after we purge the nancy weights
lazy that make babies
whiners
hippos
etc.

 

[Spartacus]

you want a Porsche
embalm a thousand people as i did
and even that was due to my finacial acumen and not
fuck you
lazy muthafucks
a thousand at least
and i was the best

 

[Spartacus]

I might could count to 2 the number of posters/usernames here who defend and/or champion the teachings of Christ
instead it's a sandbox of "I'm bigger than you" you look like a fool what drugs can I do to get high without compromsing my body
and I'll drink piss

 

[Spartacus]

oh but you 're so smart
the standard of living from decade to decade is increasing..how do I measure it
yet most of you bellyache and complain and want better
a thousand years ago there were no flushing toilets

 

[bigpokey]

*Barry wins a 2nd term...

fixed ur thread title, carry on fagfuktardngrshts