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http://aolsvc.digitalcity.com/longisland/news/article.adp?article=959950

Hospital Mistake Kills Newborn
By Barbara J. Durkin


Giovanni and Ana Celina Vargas had never held their newborn baby boy, never seen both his eyes open, when they were summoned to the neonatal intensive care unit at Stony Brook University Hospital on Tuesday morning.

They stood in shock as the doctor who had performed life-saving heart surgery on their son just two days earlier told them 6-day-old Gianni was dead.

"He told me they made a big mistake,” Giovanni Vargas said. "My baby was dead and he didn't understand what happened.”

The couple said Stony Brook officials told them the next day that their son accidentally had been given a lethal dose of intravenous potassium chloride, 10 times more than he should have gotten, apparently because of a missing decimal point on a prescription.

The state Health Department said it is investigating the death, and Stony Brook is conducting its own investigation. David Raimondo, the couple's attorney in Lake Grove, said he would file a notice of their intent to sue today.

"We are sincerely sorry and extend to the grieving family our heartfelt condolences,” Bruce Schroffel, the hospital's director and CEO, said in a written statement. "In spite of numerous safeguards, an error occurred resulting in the tragic loss of a life. We are conducting a thorough investigation of this baby's death to determine what steps are necessary to ensure that this will never happen again.”

The Brentwood couple, both 27, said they were told by hospital officials that a prescription for potassium chloride read 35 instead of 3.5 and nobody picked up on the mistake.

"Everything was checked by professionals at each of three different steps of the process,” Schroffel said. "We have now doubled the number of professionals at each step.”

But the family still doesn't know who wrote the prescription and who administered it. And Schroffel yesterday declined to comment on whether staff were disciplined in the wake of the death.

"They told us what happened but they didn't tell us what failed,” Raimondo said.

Yesterday, in their attorney's office, Ana Celina and Giovanni Vargas, who married last April, struggled for answers.

Giovanni Vargas, an ironworker who had been working at Ground Zero until he was laid off about a month ago, seemed composed as he recounted his son's brief life. Though there were people there to translate her words from Spanish, Ana Celina sat mostly silent in despair.

Early in the pregnancy, doctors had detected that Gianni had a heart valve problem that would require surgery at birth. With a high-risk pregnancy, Ana Celina Vargas went to Stony Brook weekly, where the couple believed she received good care. "I thought we were in good hands,” Giovanni Vargas said. "I guess we were wrong.”

It was a stressful time. "We thought we were going to lose the baby,” Giovanni Vargas said. "I was always asking, Do you think we're going to lose this baby? It was a question I couldn't stop asking.”

Gianni was born by emergency Caesarean section Jan. 30, full-term, weighing nearly 8 pounds. The heart valve problem was not as serious as doctors had believed, Giovanni Vargas said.

"He looked great," said Vargas, describing a little boy with his mother's coloring, ears and nose and his daddy's straight dark hair.

Instead of operating immediately, they put Gianni on medication and scheduled the surgery for Feb. 3.

The surgery was deemed a success and the hospital staff promised the couple they soon would be bringing their son home. The baby was being given potassium chloride because he had a potassium depletion and they needed to regulate his fluids.

The couple stayed with their son until about 8 p.m. Monday. Shortly before they left, Giovanni Vargas saw his son open one eye just for a moment.

That night, Ana Celina Vargas dreamed that something terrible happened to Gianni, she said. Early the next morning, they got the call: their baby had taken a turn for the worse and they should get there as soon as possible.

"Is my baby dead?” Vargas said he asked, to no answer.

Now the couple wants answers: who wrote the prescription, who gave it, why didn't anyone notice that it was far too much for a baby?

A study in 1999 estimated that medical errors kill about 44,000 to 98,000 people in U.S. hospitals each year, with medication errors the most common problem. A report by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, which surveys hospitals across the country, found that potassium chloride was the most frequently implicated drug in medication errors they investigated.

In recent years, there has been much discussion about setting up systems to prevent such errors, said Arthur Levin, who heads the Center for Medical Consumers, a nonprofit advocacy organization in Manhattan.

"If the right system is in place this would not happen,” Levin said. "There's no excuse for it... . Maybe this is an isolated case, but let the hospital tell the public what it's doing [to prevent such cases] and how this happened.”

That's what the Vargas family wants. "I want to make sure this doesn't happen to any other kids,” Giovanni Vargas said.

The couple sat yesterday with a soft purple keepsake box between them. The hospital had given it to them, filled with the outfit Gianni was wearing when he died, a card with his tiny footprints and two photos of him taken after his death. The pictures of him alive had not yet been developed. Too much had happened too fast.

On Tuesday, Ana Celina Vargas held her baby for the first -- and last -- time. She clung to him for more than two hours. Giovanni Vargas didn't want to see his son dead. But by mistake, he turned around and saw him.

"I hugged him for like five, 10 minutes,” he said. No, his sister, gently told him. "It was 45 minutes,” Ivelisse Vargas said. "You didn't even realize it.”
 
I didn't bother to read the whole article, I just hope that the family whos baby dies doesn't try to sue the doctor/hospital.
 
NicolePap said:


DOT whens your baby due?

No later than Wednesday!!! Good luck to you, your wife, and the little one DOT.

HumanShell - Smoke crack this morning? That's the whole point of malpractice insurance. :confused: Sure, the doc's did the best they could... BUT, the family is entitled to $$$, and quite a bit of it.
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If something like that happened to my son, I would go fucking crazy and start dropping doctors/nurses on sight.....
 
It said they were ready to sue.

Sadness turns to anger which translates into revenge which takes form of a lawsuit.

From what I've heard though, you really don't make that much off of a baby or young child. They said they go by "what the persons worth is." Therefore if a scientist who was travelling to France with a cure for AIDS was killed by a drunk driver, a lawsuit in his name would be for much more than a child.

I heard that last year when that kid was killed when the MRI magnetically pulled a metal tank at him and cracked his skull and killed him.
 
HumanShell said:
I didn't bother to read the whole article, I just hope that the family whos baby dies doesn't try to sue the doctor/hospital.

ok bin laden, maybe you should read the whole article. If they don't sue the hospital or doctor, things like this will continue to happen. Haven't you noticed that nothing ever gets done if someone ISN'T getting sued. Whoever was responsible will pay severely. That's the way I look at it. You could blame what happened on many reason, but the most obvious ones are:

1. The doctor's hand writing. They spend so many years in school and they can't even write legibly. What's up with that?

2. The pharmacist didn't bother to double check who this prescription was for. Whether it was a child or not. (The article said that potassium chloride was the most frequently implicated drug in medication errors they investigated, if it's such a known problem it should have been checked on anyway.)
 
I don't know about that whole thing about a life costing more than another...where are the ethics in that. I just believe that to be true. I have to ask my lawyer friends.
 
HumanShell said:
So a doctor/pharmacist isn't allowed to make a mistake? What if everytime you made any mistake you got sued?

What if the doc or pharmacist just kept making mistakes? Then there would be people losing their lives and nothing being done about it. Not suing would be a really good reason for the doc to have a tendency to not be extra careful...because "I won't have anything done to me...so why should I worry?"
 
Hell in my old job if someone made a complaint you got time off wothout pay. Just for looking at them funny. The doc should lose his job. But hell if I was a pediatric nurse I would definately know that the dosage was wrong. Just my two cents but I'm a nursing student. WTF! If it was my child I'd go postal. Then I would claim temporary insanity. It would be!! Having worked in the legal profession for 12 years. I know they value some lives more than others, UNFORTUNATELY!!
 
HumanShell said:
So a doctor/pharmacist isn't allowed to make a mistake? What if every time you made any mistake you got sued?

My mother is a Pharmacist and she understands that it is her responsibility to perform her job correctly, because people's lives ARE at stake. PERIOD.

And as far as doctors, they are allowed to make mistakes yes, that's why they have insurance. My mother had a hysterectomy done and the doctor completely fucked her up. He said that he was board certified, but little did we know it took him 6 fucking times to pass the damn boards. He punctured her bladder in 7 different places during the operation. It was only supposed to take 8 hours and it ended up taking 17. He sewed her up and didn't write anything in the reports about the MISTAKE that he did. He just kept his mouth shut and didn't say ANYTHING TO ANYONE. She TRIED to sue him and he got up in front of that stand and lied his fucking ass off to the judge. Look I shouldn't even be getting into this but my point is that doctors fuck up more than you think and they get away with it. I know they are human, but being human isn't part of being a doctor. They teach you that you have to be perfect. If I was a doctor I would understand that completely, and if I felt that I couldn't perform my profession then I would go into a different field.

Someone was resposible for the baby's death and you just want to write it off as if the parents don't deserve anything. That's just wrong. Sure money will not bring their baby back, but what's the worst way to hurt someone...financially. It's that or you take away their right to practice any type of medicine.
 
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PsychoSkitz said:
It said they were ready to sue.

Sadness turns to anger which translates into revenge which takes form of a lawsuit.

From what I've heard though, you really don't make that much off of a baby or young child. They said they go by "what the persons worth is." Therefore if a scientist who was travelling to France with a cure for AIDS was killed by a drunk driver, a lawsuit in his name would be for much more than a child.

I heard that last year when that kid was killed when the MRI magnetically pulled a metal tank at him and cracked his skull and killed him.

The dollar amount depends on a lot of things.

Deaths don't pay as much as catastrophic injuries, such as paralysis or brain damage. Additionally awards are higher when there are dependents, such as a parent with children.

The nightmare scenario for an insurance company (since that is who pays) would be a 30 year old who made $2million last year in business, with 4 small children, getting paralyzed. That could be a $20 million award.

Sadly, babies are generally awarded several hundred thousand dollars. Not fair, but a number has to be picked. Babies from wealthier families generally result in a higher award.

Brentwood, LI is pretty middle class. it is one of the poorer areas on LI. This will probably end up as about a $500K award.
 
Night Fly said:


What if the doc or pharmacist just kept making mistakes? Then there would be people losing their lives and nothing being done about it. Not suing would be a really good reason for the doc to have a tendency to not be extra careful...because "I won't have anything done to me...so why should I worry?"

Sorry, but this is bs.


Don't you think the doctor/pharmacist realises what a bad mistake they've made?

Not only will they have to cope with the guilt of knowing that their mistake has killed a baby, but also with the pressure from patients, colleagues and the media. Sueing doesn't do any good at all in this situation. I can understand why parents would want to sue, but its not the right thing to do.

Also, there's always going to be human error with any doctor but if anything now, this doctor/pharmacist is going to be better than ever before, they won't make the same mistake again and will continue to help save lives.
 
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nevertoobig said:


Sueing doesn't do any good at all in this situation. I can understand why they'd want to sue, but its not the right thing to do.

Also, theres always going to be human error and if anything now, this doctor/pharmacist is going to be better than ever, they sure won't make the same mistake again and will continue to help save lives.

You're a fucking dumbass.

Doctors pay huge premiums for malpractice insurance. Our entire medical system in this country is predicated on the fact that you can TRUST the care you are going to get. If soemthing does go wrong, you can take at least a little comfort in the fact that you will be financially compensated.

While the dollars awarded won't bring back the baby, it will result in an increase in the doctor's malpractice premiums, and he will be reminded every time he writes the insurance check about the baby he killed. Hopefully the increase will be sufficient to put him out of practice. People like this don't deserve a second chance. They aren't criminals, but they need to be removed from what they do. This is the process for that. Stifle the process. and medical care will deteriorate.

Actions need to have consequences, not "guilt".

"Intent" is a non-issue in these cases. For those cases, we have a criminal justice system.

This is what legal people would call a civil tort, (basically, a non-criminal "wrong", or breach of duty that a party can expect to be performed), and the civil court system is the way we rectify these things.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


You're a fucking dumbass.

Doctors pay huge premiums for malpractice insurance. Our entire medical system in this country is predicated on the fact that you can TRUST the care you are going to get. If soemthing does go wrong, you can take at least a little comfort in the fact that you will be financially compensated.

While the dollars awarded won't bring back the baby, it will result in an increase in the doctor's malpractice premiums, and he will be reminded every time he writes the insurance check about the baby he killed. Hopefully the increase will be sufficient to put him out of practice. People like this don't deserve a second chance. They aren't criminals, but they need to be removed from what they do. This is the process for that. Stifle the process. and medical care will deteriorate.

Actions need to have consequences, not "guilt".

"Intent" is a non-issue in these cases. For those cases, we have a criminal justice system.

This is what legal people would call a civil tort, (basically, a non-criminal "wrong", or breach of duty that a party can expect to be performed), and the civil court system is the way we rectify these things.


Well i disagree with just about everyone of your views here...that's about all i can say.
 
HumanShell said:
I didn't bother to read the whole article, I just hope that the family whos baby dies doesn't try to sue the doctor/hospital.
What? I'd OWN that fucking place. I do have questions though. If they got married, why are their names still diferent? Why, if they are working in NYC, do they need interpeters? Deport their asses and save money.
 
nevertoobig said:


Sorry, but this is bs.


Don't you think the doctor/pharmacist realises what a bad mistake they've made?

Not only will they have to cope with the guilt of knowing that their mistake has killed a baby, but also with the pressure from patients, colleagues and the media. Sueing doesn't do any good at all in this situation. I can understand why parents would want to sue, but its not the right thing to do.

Also, there's always going to be human error with any doctor but if anything now, this doctor/pharmacist is going to be better than ever before, they won't make the same mistake again and will continue to help save lives.

Matt you hit it right in the eye! He is a dumb ass. To begin with this person WILL lose their job and never practice again. I just saw something tonight on NBC4. A girl in Plainfield, NJ gave birth prematurely and you know what the paramedics did. They put the baby in a bio-hazard bag. They put it in fucking BAG while it was still alive!!!! HELLO!!!!! When they were on the radio with the dispatch, they were making fun of the baby and shit saying it's not going to live through this anyway, then the lady on the other end said, it's ok she'll be pregnant again in 6 weeks. They both just laughed. (I'm sure they're really dying inside because of all the guilt that's building up) Then once the baby got to the hospital the doctors just left it in the bag in a room and didn't provide any kind of medical attention to it. The baby was fighting for it's dear life for 6 fucking hours!!! Gee I really hope the mother doesn't sue. FUCK YOU to whoever says that!

EXTRACT!!!!!!!
 
Big Buck said:
If something like that happened to my son, I would go fucking crazy and start dropping doctors/nurses on sight.....

exactly,someone was lazy and didn't read properly
 
PURE EXTRACT said:


Matt you hit it right in the eye! He is a dumb ass. To begin with this person WILL lose their job and never practice again. I just saw something tonight on NBC4. A girl in Plainfield, NJ gave birth prematurely and you know what the paramedics did. They put the baby in a bio-hazard bag. They put it in fucking BAG while it was still alive!!!! HELLO!!!!! When they were on the radio with the dispatch, they were making fun of the baby and shit saying it's not going to live through this anyway, then the lady on the other end said, it's ok she'll be pregnant again in 6 weeks. They both just laughed. (I'm sure they're really dying inside because of all the guilt that's building up) Then once the baby got to the hospital the doctors just left it in the bag in a room and didn't provide any kind of medical attention to it. The baby was fighting for it's dear life for 6 fucking hours!!! Gee I really hope the mother doesn't sue. FUCK YOU to whoever says that!

EXTRACT!!!!!!!

I'n not sure if you told that story completely correctly, but surely you can see the difference between the two cases!?

Someone give me a GOOD answer as to how sueing will help the situation or prevent this kind of thin from happening in future. IT WONT.

There will be such a backlash from the media/public that the hospital will do everything they can to prevent this from happening in future. Sueing a doctor for a mistake isn't going to change anything, and please don't tell me that i don't understand what it feels like to have a mistake by a doctor take the life of a family member...because i do.
 
Kahn said:

What? I'd OWN that fucking place. I do have questions though. If they got married, why are their names still diferent? Why, if they are working in NYC, do they need interpeters? Deport their asses and save money.


FUCK YOU. I can't believe you just said that you fucking piece of shit! Giovanni and Ana Celina Vargas. Spanish Women use both last names you piece of shit! WHere are you from. Don't tell me you don't have family members that DIDN'T come from THIS country.
 
nevertoobig said:


I'n not sure if you told that story completely correctly, but surely you can see the difference between the two cases!?

Someone give me a GOOD answer as to how sueing will help the situation or prevent this kind of thin from happening in future. IT WONT.

There will be such a backlash from the media/public that the hospital will do everything they can to prevent this from happening in future. Sueing a doctor for a mistake isn't going to change anything, and please don't tell me that i don't understand what it feels like to have a mistake by a doctor take the life of a family member...because i do.


I did tell the whole story, I'm not a fucking idiot. Look it up if you want to. Go to nbc.com to find out for yourself. They basically wrote that baby off because it didn't come from a rich neighborhood. Not that Plainfield is that bad to begin with. It's a really fucked up story read it ;) ANd like I said before...SUEING is basically the only way to get things done. OK let me tell you something from personal experience. When my mother decided to settle out of court because she was advised to. Now just because she settled, the bastard can now go to another state and practice again. Sueing does make a difference. It was some bullshit about not going on his record because it was a settlement. And for that bastard Kahn, fuck you again. I really took that shit personally. I'm a natural born citizen, just like ALL Puerto Ricans, but I bet we should all go back form where we came from ha you prick
 
PURE EXTRACT said:



I did tell the whole story, I'm not a fucking idiot. Look it up if you want to. Go to nbc.com to find out for yourself. They basically wrote that baby off because it didn't come from a rich neighborhood. Not that Plainfield is that bad to begin with. It's a really fucked up story read it ;) ANd like I said before...SUEING is basically the only way to get things done. OK let me tell you something from personal experience. When my mother decided to settle out of court because she was advised to. Now just because she settled, the bastard can now go to another state and practice again. Sueing does make a difference. It was some bullshit about not going on his record because it was a settlement. And for that bastard Kahn, fuck you again. I really took that shit personally. I'm a natural born citizen, just like ALL Puerto Ricans, but I bet we should all go back form where we came from ha you prick

Well, like i said before if you are telling that story like it is then surely you can see the difference between these two cases?

And again, no...sueing is not the only way to 'get things done'. Get what done exactly!???
 
A study in 1999 estimated that medical errors kill about 44,000 to 98,000 people in U.S. hospitals each year, with medication errors the most common problem. A report by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, which surveys hospitals across the country, found that potassium chloride was the most frequently implicated drug in medication errors they investigated.

1999...do I really need to say more bro? Did you read my whole post???? Here it is again


Now just because she settled, the bastard can now go to another state and practice again. Sueing does make a difference. It was some bullshit about not going on his record because it was a settlement.

ok?? I'm not making this shit up.
 
scary to think this might have been caused just because the pen the doc used didnt leave a defined enough point

given that the title of the thread was about murdering the doctor in question, i do think people on the thread saying this is wrong is correct.

there 'might' be a possibility this wasnt malpractise. then again, this might and by the sounds of it (i dont particularly trust the media when it comes to health matters) is a case of malpractise somewhere along the line. a fatal dose of KCL was administered....so someone screwed up in the worst way.

the doctor will go before a legal commission. where either an old boys network will come into play; he is disbarred for life or aquitted or media pressure forces a malpractise verdict.

a good way of combatting these kinds of deaths would be to funnel money into getting more doctord etc on wards, higher qualified nurses and reducing the load on junior doctors, but this never seems to get media attention. instead money is thrown at millenium domes, or missle defence systems. health services can rarely strike, and when they do most members dont even turn out due to the responsibilty they feel to the patient

a child did die and that is utterly disgusting to hear, but a series of all night shifts, adminsitering drugs which are all potentially dangerous and a slightly too faint ball point mark...its a mistake im sure that can happen. Why was a doctor who might have been THIS sleep deprived/negligent allowed to be practising at that time?
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
A study in 1999 estimated that medical errors kill about 44,000 to 98,000 people in U.S. hospitals each year, with medication errors the most common problem. A report by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, which surveys hospitals across the country, found that potassium chloride was the most frequently implicated drug in medication errors they investigated.

1999...do I really need to say more bro? Did you read my whole post???? Here it is again


Now just because she settled, the bastard can now go to another state and practice again. Sueing does make a difference. It was some bullshit about not going on his record because it was a settlement.

ok?? I'm not making this shit up.


Do you need to say more?...To convince me that sueing is the best way to go, yes.

I've already said that theres human error involved and doctors are bound to make mistakes, but they don't try to.

Any doctor who's made a mistake of this magnitude in the past will in future be much more cautious and therefore a better doctor.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
dude, what I'm saying is this...if someone makes this kind of simple mistake he shouldn't be allowed to practice.

ye, sure the mistake shouldn't have happened but its gona be pretty hard to find a doctor who can't make mistakes.
 
Some states have a monetary cap for the amount the family can receive from the hospital/state. Florida has one , but I do not know about new york state. I say leave it up to a jury to decide and when they hear this story there will not be a dry eye in the courtroom. If the doctors want to practice medicine they must understand that they are responsible for the actions and if a mistake is made they will be held accountable for their actions.
 
nevertoobig said:



Someone give me a GOOD answer as to how sueing will help the situation or prevent this kind of thin from happening in future. IT WONT.


1. The doctor's malpratice insurance will increase dramatically, perhaps to the point of making it unaffordable.

2. By introducing malpractice in a courtroom, it becomes public record, meaning anyone can look him up on the Internet.

3. HMO's will know about it and be reluctant to include him, for fear of being associated with this person.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


1. The doctor's malpratice insurance will increase dramatically, perhaps to the point of making it unaffordable.

2. By introducing malpractice in a courtroom, it becomes public record, meaning anyone can look him up on the Internet.

3. HMO's will know about it and be reluctant to include him, for fear of being associated with this person.

Will these help the situation?...I don't think so.

Will it stop this kind of thing happening in the future?...I don't think so.

Like I've said beofre, the doctor who made the mistake would be even more careful never to make the same mistake again, resulting in a better doctor.

I still don't see how sueing a guy out of his job is going to help anything. The only real reason behind the family wantiing to sue is revenge although they probably won't admit it.
 
I don't know about the US but here nurses would administer such a drug- KCL(potasium) and in some cases prescribe. But in ITU(where I work) KCL is double checked every time by two RN's.

Making such a mistake is unforgivable an those responsible should be struck off and answer to criminal charges.
 
I don't know about the US but here nurses would administer such a drug- KCL(potasium) and in some cases prescribe. But in ITU(where I work) KCL is double checked every time by two RN's.

Making such a mistake is unforgivable an those responsible should be struck off and answer to criminal charges.

In the Uk both the Dr that wrote up the med and the nurse that administers the drug are equally responsible.
 
Julez said:
I don't know about the US but here nurses would administer such a drug- KCL(potasium) and in some cases prescribe. But in ITU(where I work) KCL is double checked every time by two RN's.

Making such a mistake is unforgivable an those responsible should be struck off and answer to criminal charges.

That avatar messed me up...I thought you were someone else that had a change of heart lol. I don't think they should answer to criminal charges. What they did wasn't a crime but was rather ignorant. Unless they had the intent of killing someone, then you can't bring criminal charges against them.
 
nevertoobig said:


ye, sure the mistake shouldn't have happened but its gona be pretty hard to find a doctor who can't make mistakes.

Shit I'm glad that everyone in the world isn't like you. I guess you don't expect ANYONE to do a perfect job huh? So, you're saying that if this was your son, you would just be like, "Oh don't worry about it, you're a better doctor know because you're guilt is going to make you think twice next time you do something. Don't worry about all the therapy I'll have to go through because of you simple mistake, anyone could have done it." That's basically what you're saying here...I feel sorry for your kids/future children.
 
MOST doctors strive to be perfect...PERFECT. You'll never hear a doctor saying I hope that I do a good job. A good doctor knows he'll do a great job, it's 1,2,3 with these guys. There isn't any guessing with a good doctor. He most certainly doesn't have you on an operating table and say geee it's really hard to find a doctor that doesn't make mistakes, God just listen to what you're fucking saying...
 
Night Fly said:


What if the doc or pharmacist just kept making mistakes? Then there would be people losing their lives and nothing being done about it. Not suing would be a really good reason for the doc to have a tendency to not be extra careful...because "I won't have anything done to me...so why should I worry?"


If a doctor was a chronic mistake maker, then he should loose his job, nothing more.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:

Look I shouldn't even be getting into this but my point is that doctors fuck up more than you think and they get away with it. I know they are human, but being human isn't part of being a doctor. They teach you that you have to be perfect.

And EVERYONE knows that no one can be perfet 100% of the time.


Someone was resposible for the baby's death and you just want to write it off as if the parents don't deserve anything. That's just wrong. Sure money will not bring their baby back, but what's the worst way to hurt someone...financially. It's that or you take away their right to practice any type of medicine.

I could understand the parents not having to pay the medical bill, but the way I see it nothing more is needed. You put trust in a doctor knowing that they've had the training, and they're there to help you. If they mess up, they mess up. If they mess up too much, they loose their license/job. That's all there is too it.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:


Matt you hit it right in the eye! He is a dumb ass. To begin with this person WILL lose their job and never practice again. I just saw something tonight on NBC4. A girl in Plainfield, NJ gave birth prematurely and you know what the paramedics did. They put the baby in a bio-hazard bag. They put it in fucking BAG while it was still alive!!!! HELLO!!!!! When they were on the radio with the dispatch, they were making fun of the baby and shit saying it's not going to live through this anyway, then the lady on the other end said, it's ok she'll be pregnant again in 6 weeks. They both just laughed. (I'm sure they're really dying inside because of all the guilt that's building up) Then once the baby got to the hospital the doctors just left it in the bag in a room and didn't provide any kind of medical attention to it. The baby was fighting for it's dear life for 6 fucking hours!!! Gee I really hope the mother doesn't sue. FUCK YOU to whoever says that!

EXTRACT!!!!!!!


It's nice of you to compare these two situations which are COMPLETELY different. And why are yall starting to call people "fucking dumbasses" for having different views than you?
 
PURE EXTRACT said:

ANd like I said before...SUEING is basically the only way to get things done.


Help, I slipped on ice in your parking lot. I'm sueing you since you didn't warn me the ice was there, yet the streets are completely iced over, it's 10 degress outside, and it just now stopped raining. Since you didn't warn me, you're gonna be financially responsible.


OK let me tell you something from personal experience. When my mother decided to settle out of court because she was advised to. Now just because she settled, the bastard can now go to another state and practice again. Sueing does make a difference.

Yeah...sueing really makes a difference.....
 
PURE EXTRACT said:


That avatar messed me up...I thought you were someone else that had a change of heart lol. I don't think they should answer to criminal charges. What they did wasn't a crime but was rather ignorant. Unless they had the intent of killing someone, then you can't bring criminal charges against them.

Well here it would be called gross neglince. If they where trained health proffesionals than they would know how powerfull a drug KCL is. In fact, believe it is used in the US as the second bolus in lethal injection.
 
RIZZO said:
Some states have a monetary cap for the amount the family can receive from the hospital/state. Florida has one , but I do not know about new york state. I say leave it up to a jury to decide and when they hear this story there will not be a dry eye in the courtroom. If the doctors want to practice medicine they must understand that they are responsible for the actions and if a mistake is made they will be held accountable for their actions.


Yeah, let them be held accountable, FROM THEIR WORKPLACE. If they screw up, reprimand them. If they keep screwing up, disbar/fire them. If Pure Extract put a tomato on your burger when you said no tomatos, I guess you should sue him, and the company he works for right?
 
Julez said:
Making such a mistake is unforgivable an those responsible should be struck off and answer to criminal charges.


So you don't even want to sue them for money, you want them locked up in prison....my god. The person who has saved hundreds of lifes messes up once, and you want him thrown in jail.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
So, you're saying that if this was your son, you would just be like, "Oh don't worry about it, you're a better doctor know because you're guilt is going to make you think twice next time you do something. Don't worry about all the therapy I'll have to go through because of you simple mistake, anyone could have done it."


As I'm sure this question will be asked of me too, I'll answer it before I head off to work. By me taking my child to a hospital for surgery, I know there is a risk that the doctors can screw up. But, there is a better chance of him/her surviving if I take him/her to a hospital instead of me trying to perform surgery at home. There's no way in hell I would tell the doctor not to worry about it. I'm sure I'd be severely upset, but I wouldn't go on a rampage sueing everyone involved.

And as far as your therapy is concerned, wouldn't the hospitals insurance take care of that?
 
HumanShell said:



So you don't even want to sue them for money, you want them locked up in prison....my god. The person who has saved hundreds of lifes messes up once, and you want him thrown in jail.

No.

I am a nurse myself so I think I can offer a better insight into this particular situation than most. I have proffesional indemnity insurance(upto £5mil.). If I made such a mistake I would hope someone would sue me.

As I have said, there are few drugs that have a danger threshold such as KCL(Warfrin is one I can thnk of). Giving 5 times the usual dose is, in my opinion, criminal neglidence n behalf of the Dr that wrote it up and the personnel that administered it.

Here, KCL is regarded as a controlled drug.
 
Stony Brook.


You check in...

...but you don't check out.





Not a surprise.
I used to live in the area and my father worked in the hospital back in the 80's - YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW what goes on in that hospital.



In their defense they do have a good burn unit.

Just don't expect to leave the emergency room with all your organs.
 
HumanShell said:



By me taking my child to a hospital for surgery, I know there is a risk that the doctors can screw up. But, there is a better chance of him/her surviving if I take him/her to a hospital instead of me trying to perform surgery at home. There's no way in hell I would tell the doctor not to worry about it. I'm sure I'd be severely upset, but I wouldn't go on a rampage sueing everyone involved.


Exactly.
 
HumanShell said:



It's nice of you to compare these two situations which are COMPLETELY different. And why are yall starting to call people "fucking dumbasses" for having different views than you?


I said "dumbass” not "fucking dumbass" hehehe .

By me taking my child to a hospital for surgery, I know there is a risk that the doctors can screw up. But, there is a better chance of him/her surviving if I take him/her to a hospital instead of me trying to perform surgery at home. There's no way in hell I would tell the doctor not to worry about it. I'm sure I'd be severely upset, but I wouldn't go on a rampage suing everyone involved.

now...you have to remember the point of why they're suing. The baby was giving a dosage 10x that which he was supposed to receive. We're not talking about an error during surgery here. Someone is responsible for that dumb ass mistake and they will pay and deserve to pay. I really hope that you wouldn't treat your children this way. And the family isn't sueing everyone involved. They're looking for who was responsible. I bet if it was a white family you wouldn't be saying all this lol j/k. I have to lighten up the mood in here.
 
Julez said:


Well here it would be called gross neglince. If they where trained health proffesionals than they would know how powerfull a drug KCL is. In fact, believe it is used in the US as the second bolus in lethal injection.

damn...didn't know that
 
velvett said:
Stony Brook.


You check in...

...but you don't check out.





Not a surprise.
I used to live in the area and my father worked in the hospital back in the 80's - YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW what goes on in that hospital.



In their defense they do have a good burn unit.

Just don't expect to leave the emergency room with all your organs.

Actually it is also an excellent medical school.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
now...you have to remember the point of why they're suing. The baby was giving a dosage 10x that which he was supposed to receive. We're not talking about an error during surgery here. Someone is responsible for that dumb ass mistake and they will pay and deserve to pay. I really hope that you wouldn't treat your children this way. And the family isn't sueing everyone involved. They're looking for who was responsible.


Fuck me....if I would have just read the entire article, it would have saved us a lot of time :) But, it was fun while it lasted. See, I was arguing my point not knowing that he was given a dose 10x greater than what he was supposed to have. I thought it was a case of a doctor messing up during surgery.


I bet if it was a white family you wouldn't be saying all this lol j/k. I have to lighten up the mood in here.

LOL, I didn't even read far enough to know the race of the family.



Now that I've gone back and read the entire post, I don't understand how a dose that is 10x greater than a normal dose could go un-noticed by numerous professionals. But, the article seems to lead to the fact that the family wants to know who the people were that didn't pick up on the mistake. I don't think that's right. The people messed up, but they're working for the hospital, so the hospital as a whole should be held responsible, not the individual doctors.

Please do forgive me. I've jabbed a fork into my left eye to remind me to read eerything completely before taking a stance.
 
Yes KCl (potassium chloride) is used as one of the substances during the lethal injection execution here in the US.

It is not something to f--- around with.
 
Maybe the doctor wrote it correctly and it the Pharmacist misunderstood it. Im sure they Phartmacist didnt have any files on the child and couldve assumed the 35mg dose he was filling probably was for an adult.

I think a good investigation is in order and the family should be compensated accordingly, but giving them any settlement above a million should be totally out of the question.

The money should be spent on ways to prevent something like this rather than give it to a family who doesnt even speak English.


Sorry for my bad taste in humor, i was trying to get RyanH's attention.
 
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