I WILL BE MAKING AND USING FINA FOR 1st TIME

[bbkingpin]

I have been unable to work out for about 1 month. I have also gained a lot of fat (I dont look fat with clothes but I have a gut and love handles now again -- my 34" waist pants are snug.) I have a 4g kit and the pellets of Fina. I was thinking about picking up 500x5mg Ox. Maybe some deca too. Would you lose the fat first and train natural for a while to get back in shape and then take the juice? Or would you start right back up with Fina and something else to make gains while the fat is still a problem? Or would you cut up with an anabolic like Deca and/or Ox and throw in the Fina when the fat is gone after, say, 6 weeks?

I don't want to waste the Fina. I don't want to waste anything for that matter. Any help?

 

[BBBodie]

What's your bodyfat percentage? That makes all the difference.

As for the most beneficial way to train, if you're adding Deca, you need to eat a lot and will gain BF again anyhow.....so I'd save the Fina for the last 6 to 7 weeks of the cycle and cut, cut, cut during that time.

My 2 cents,

bo

 

[bbkingpin]

What's your bodyfat percentage? That makes all the difference.

As for the most beneficial way to train, if you're adding Deca, you need to eat a lot and will gain BF again anyhow.....so I'd save the Fina for the last 6 to 7 weeks of the cycle and cut, cut, cut during that time.

My 2 cents,

bo

I don't know my bf %. In July I was 195 lbs and cut at 5'11". Now Im probably 215 lbs. So, maybe 15% bf -- I'm just guessing. I never had it measured before. I just go by the mirror -- "cut" -- "smooth" -- or "fat". IMO, I am "fat." But, like I said, I don't look like a fat person in clothes. I'm talking by our (bb'ing) standards. Thanks for your input.

 

[Grainger]

get in shape first, it is the way to go for sure!!!

 

[bbkingpin]

get in shape first, it is the way to go for sure!!!

That is what I'm thinking too. Thanks. Any more opinions.

 

[Tim_Bass]

Well before I ever started training, I weighed 235 at 6'2''. Unfortunately, I went on a serious diet, and went all the way down to 150 in 6 months. Now I am bulking again, I am 165 and anxiously awaiting my 1st cycle.

Anyways, I think you should establish what you want to look like. It already sounds like you're pretty muscular, now if you could keep that and become lean then maybe that would be good.

But if you are like the rest of us, and you will never get big enough, then bulk away. Eat like a madman the first few weeks. Bulk first, cut last. The Fina would be great at the end of the cycle if you stack it with another fat burner, maybe some Clen. Right now I am beginning my first cycle, it is pretty similar to this one. I am taking Sust 250 at first with anti-Es (eating about 6k a day), finishing with Fina, clen, (eating to lose weight and preserve muscle)and completing everything with HCG and clomid. Hope this helps.

 

[bbkingpin]

Well before I ever started training, I weighed 235 at 6'2''. Unfortunately, I went on a serious diet, and went all the way down to 150 in 6 months. Now I am bulking again, I am 165 and anxiously awaiting my 1st cycle.

Anyways, I think you should establish what you want to look like. It already sounds like you're pretty muscular, now if you could keep that and become lean then maybe that would be good.

But if you are like the rest of us, and you will never get big enough, then bulk away. Eat like a madman the first few weeks. Bulk first, cut last. The Fina would be great at the end of the cycle if you stack it with another fat burner, maybe some Clen. Right now I am beginning my first cycle, it is pretty similar to this one. I am taking Sust 250 at first with anti-Es (eating about 6k a day), finishing with Fina, clen, (eating to lose weight and preserve muscle)and completing everything with HCG and clomid. Hope this helps.

THANKS!

 

[hayesjones]

personally, I would get in shape first while using the fina. Mentally, I will help you stay more aggressive and dedicated to your dieting and working out.

 

[Iceburg]

Don't use the fina and deca together .... unless you want d-cup size man boobies

 

[bbkingpin]

Thanks to all!

 

[billyd0812]

Listen to Iceberg. You are takiing a good risk of progsterone type gyno taking deca and fina togethor.MOST people would advise this way. Nolva will be of no use and you have not mentioned covering this base.

Don't use the fina and deca together .... unless you want d-cup size man boobies

 

[dsco]

would it be cool if you used bromo with the deca/fina combo

 

[bbkingpin]

Listen to Iceberg. You are takiing a good risk of progsterone type gyno taking deca and fina togethor.MOST people would advise this way. Nolva will be of no use and you have not mentioned covering this base.

I always use Nolvadex. 60x20mg for $22...Why not ALWAYS use it? Does Bromo really prevent prog gyno? When I looked up Brom, it said that Bromo prevented the pituitary from making prolactin. But I think that fina affects the progesterone receptor. So, e.g., nolva binds at the receptor but does not prevent aromatization, yet is still very effective because it STOPS estrogen from binding at the receptor. But, if Bromo does not bind to the receptor but only stops the pituitary from producing ENDOGENOUS prolactin, how can it prevent circulating trenbolone from binding to the progesterone receptors? Or does progesterone receptor trigger the release of prolactin so that, maybe, Bromo does work? THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BILL LLEWELLYN!!!

 

[bbkingpin]

BUMP

 

[billyd0812]

BROMO(parlodel)

I take nolva if Im taking test but it will not help with fina or deca. I took bromo with my fina last cycle at 1 tab in the morning, but could not deal with it because of it killing my appetite to bad and general nausia and fatigue. BUT thats me .To get a good understanding on bromo check out these two excellent threads on it. 182629 and 175523 good luck........billyd

 

[bbkingpin]

Re: BROMO(parlodel)

I take nolva if Im taking test but it will not help with fina or deca. I took bromo with my fina last cycle at 1 tab in the morning, but could not deal with it because of it killing my appetite to bad and general nausia and fatigue. BUT thats me .To get a good understanding on bromo check out these two excellent threads on it. 182629 and 175523 good luck........billyd

Thanks. I tried Bromo 4 years ago because of the raised levels of prolactin from GHB/GBL. I saw no side effects. But I wasn't taking it for training, so I wasn't worried about my appetite. But it didn't make me tired. I didn't notice any sides.