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I think this is the cycle, what do you think?

rfowler

rfowler

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After doing more research than I ever did in college and corresponding with some great guys on this board. This is what I am thinking about for my first cycle in years, and actually the first cycle I will have done the right way.

250mg test e wk 1-4
500 mg test e wk 5-12
50mg proviron ed wk 1-12
1/2 mg dostinex sun, thursday wk 1-12
PCT nolva 20mg ed
aromasin 20mg ed

I was thinking about throwing in 20mg dbol ed in am wk 1- 3, and then reintroduce same dosage wk 7-10 just because I have extra. Feedback appreciated.
 
rfowler said:
After doing more research than I ever did in college and corresponding with some great guys on this board. This is what I am thinking about for my first cycle in years, and actually the first cycle I will have done the right way.

250mg test e wk 1-4
500 mg test e wk 5-12
50mg proviron ed wk 1-12
1/2 mg dostinex sun, thursday wk 1-12
PCT nolva 20mg ed
aromasin 20mg ed

I was thinking about throwing in 20mg dbol ed in am wk 1- 3, and then reintroduce same dosage wk 7-10 just because I have extra. Feedback appreciated.
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rfowler said:
After doing more research than I ever did in college and corresponding with some great guys on this board. This is what I am thinking about for my first cycle in years, and actually the first cycle I will have done the right way.

250mg test e wk 1-4
500 mg test e wk 5-12
50mg proviron ed wk 1-12
1/2 mg dostinex sun, thursday wk 1-12
PCT nolva 20mg ed
aromasin 20mg ed

I was thinking about throwing in 20mg dbol ed in am wk 1- 3, and then reintroduce same dosage wk 7-10 just because I have extra. Feedback appreciated.
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hey bro, why dont you just run 500mg the entire 12 weeks? i dont see anything wrong with that. and Im not sure why you want the dost in there, I would stick to aromasin or get you some AIFM .
Also for PCT, clomid would probably be better than nolva alone. hcg would also be a plus.
 
GymIntensity said:
hey bro, why dont you just run 500mg the entire 12 weeks? i dont see anything wrong with that. and Im not sure why you want the dost in there, I would stick to aromasin or get you some AIFM .
Also for PCT, clomid would probably be better than nolva alone. hcg would also be a plus.
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Im really freaked about gyno had the surgery because I was uneducated when I messed with gear as a younger guy. From my research dostinex works well with libido, and mental clarity. Can you get hcg in oral form?
 
rfowler said:
Im really freaked about gyno had the surgery because I was uneducated when I messed with gear as a younger guy. From my research dostinex works well with libido, and mental clarity. Can you get hcg in oral form?
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HCG is intramuscular or SUB Q bro.

The dostinex is mainly for Prolactin issues, such as using Progestagenic AAS like Deca and tren. if running test only you shouldn't need any dost. you only need an AI such as aromasin, or aifm, or if you have severe cases of gyno, you can keep letrozole on hand. Bruce has used dost before and said the sexual benefits were not near as good as proviron. You can run proviron and that should keep your libido hoppin. I would just get AIFM to run during cycle and post cycle. if you cant get hcg i would definately recommend getting clomid rather than nolva only. you can also take clomid and nolva both.
 
GymIntensity said:
HCG is intramuscular or SUB Q bro.

The dostinex is mainly for Prolactin issues, such as using Progestagenic AAS like Deca and tren. if running test only you shouldn't need any dost. you only need an AI such as aromasin, or aifm, or if you have severe cases of gyno, you can keep letrozole on hand. Bruce has used dost before and said the sexual benefits were not near as good as proviron. You can run proviron and that should keep your libido hoppin. I would just get AIFM to run during cycle and post cycle. if you cant get hcg i would definately recommend getting clomid rather than nolva only. you can also take clomid and nolva both.
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how do you feel about the liquid ai's and such just as good as caps?
 
rfowler said:
how do you feel about the liquid ai's and such just as good as caps?
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well with that i honestly havent had alot of experience. there is some slight debate with liquids being as accurate, but if you ask most bros who have tried both, the majority will say the liquid AI's are just fine. Ive yet to try the liquids, but i will try liquid aromasin for my next cycle. either way long as you have a good rep for liquids and caps, you should be fine.
 
I don't think the reverse front load thing you have going on is going to help stabilize blood levels one bit...probably mess them up more and create a better enviroment for the sides to creep up. Just go 500mg/wk IMO. On the Dbol towards the end of the cycle, I'd run it 12-14 so it stops the day before PCT. Fast orals are cool like that. Take the guess work right outta PCT timing
 
rfowler said:
so run 500 test e
50mg proviron
dbol 12-14
then start the pct with nolva/clomid or nolva/arimidex?
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dbol is used more effectively as a kickstart bro. I would run dbol 1-4 , at about 30 to 50mg. dont run it at the end.


pct with nolva/clomid or nolva/clomid/(aromasin if you need it)
 
GymIntensity said:
dbol is used more effectively as a kickstart bro. I would run dbol 1-4 , at about 30 to 50mg. dont run it at the end.


pct with nolva/clomid or nolva/clomid/(aromasin if you need it)
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True. I was only telling you how to do it at the end if you wanted it at the end also, rfowler.
 
Im just thinking out loud here but this what I think I am going to run after the new insight.

test e 250mg weeks 1-4
dianabol 20mg ed am weeks 1- 4
test e 400mg weeks 5-10
proviron 50mg ed weeks 1-10 ( this is sufficient AI correct? )

PCT starting week 12
clomid 100mg ed weeks 1&2
nolva 40mg ed weeks 1&2
clomid 50mg ed weeks 3&4
nolva 20mg ed weeks 3&4

Chime in fellas.......any experienced bros that started out soft please shoot me your email so I can send you my before pics and get your feedback. Thanks
 
Get a real AI, such as aromasin, AIFM or letro, on hand in case proviron isn't adequate. Proviron isn't really an AI, it merely suppresses AI activity with DHT. I'm not sure whether it helps at all with sulfatase activity.

You might or might not need HCG at the end.
 
why the proviron?? my libido was blazing on 250mg's ew test e alone, no proviron. i did have hairloss coming off the cycle too. couldn't imagine adding another drug to make me go bald.

just my 2ml's.
 
If your maternal grandfather had hair problems then likely you will, too. Otherwise, likely not but no guarantees.
 
blut wump said:
If your maternal grandfather had hair problems then likely you will, too. Otherwise, likely not but no guarantees.
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I already fucked in the baldness area. A good bro was telling me that pro is nice will help with gyno sides and I will have the adex on hand just in case probably letro as well. Thanks for all the insight fellas, looks like I am gonna end up moving up in weight class with this cycle...Im stoked bloodwork tuesday.
 
Do not stagger the amounts for test bro, there is no need. Start with 500mg ew and stay on that for the cycle. I think that the liquids work just fine, I have experience with both. Run the dbol the first 4 weeks not the last 4, and I would up the dosage to 40mg ed. Yeah you can throw on some serious size with a good basic cycle like this one. GL bro.
 
dsh89 said:
Do not stagger the amounts for test bro, there is no need. Start with 500mg ew and stay on that for the cycle. I think that the liquids work just fine, I have experience with both. Run the dbol the first 4 weeks not the last 4, and I would up the dosage to 40mg ed. Yeah you can throw on some serious size with a good basic cycle like this one. GL bro.
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What are your thoughts on running just 250 per week with the dbol first 4 weeks? is 250 per week a waste. I havent been on in around four years.
 
rfowler said:
What are your thoughts on running just 250 per week with the dbol first 4 weeks? is 250 per week a waste. I havent been on in around four years.
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250 is not a waste. i gained 25lbs and kept 20 on 250 per week and loved it.
 
I'm not saying you cannot run 250 per week, I just wouldn't personally. I thinkn you would be much happier if your ran 500mg per week the entire cycle.
 
ok after some final tweaking I think this is where I am starting at.
test e 500mg 1 dose per week, wk 1-10
privoron 50mg ed wk 1-10
dbol caps 10mg ed wk 1-3
letro 1.25mg eod until gyno is gone
pct wk 12-16
clomid 100mg ed wk 12 and 13
nolva 40mg ed wk 12 and 13
clomid 50mg ed wk 14 and 15
nolva 20 mg ed wk 14 and 15
dbol 10mg am wk 12-16

once the letro does the job on my tiny gyno is it cool in your opinion to switch to adex the rest of the way?
 
For someone who is gyno-prone, I think adex is too weak although it might be worth taking it between cycles at a low dose to help out with AI activity. Either stick with letro or move over to aromasin or AIFM.

You can adjust the dose of letro downwards if you decide to stick with letro. I've not run letro as my main AI but I know that some guys do but usually on much stronger cycles.
 
blut wump said:
For someone who is gyno-prone, I think adex is too weak although it might be worth taking it between cycles at a low dose to help out with AI activity. Either stick with letro or move over to aromasin or AIFM.

You can adjust the dose of letro downwards if you decide to stick with letro. I've not run letro as my main AI but I know that some guys do but usually on much stronger cycles.
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so do you think the 1.25mg eod is sufficient to run through the cycle, my hope is that the test and proviron will eliminate the libido side from letro. do other gyno prone guys just run aromasin through their cycles instead of letro?
 
It's probably overmuch at that dose of test. As I mentioned, take your joints as a rough and ready guide: if they start aching then the dose will be too high and you should reduce it. It can take three or four days to notice a change from changing the dose, though. Letro is very strong.

I don't use arimidex anymore, it just doesn't do enough and much prefer aromasin or AIFM, with AIFM being the cheaper option for me at the moment. I keep letro on hand in case of need.
 
blut wump said:
It's probably overmuch at that dose of test. As I mentioned, take your joints as a rough and ready guide: if they start aching then the dose will be too high and you should reduce it. It can take three or four days to notice a change from changing the dose, though. Letro is very strong.

I don't use arimidex anymore, it just doesn't do enough and much prefer aromasin or AIFM, with AIFM being the cheaper option for me at the moment. I keep letro on hand in case of need.
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thanks bro. you have been helpful with great advice. I will keep you posted. any other critques on the cycle.
 
I think you'll prefer splitting your 500mg of test e into two shots through the week. It will definitely keep blood levels more balanced compared with a single shot once per week which, for most people, reduces the likelyhood of sides. Some ignore the days of the week and just shoot E3D or E4D.
 
What kind of test you gonna use? (Test enanthate/cyp or Sostenon?)

-I'll just assume it is Test Enanthate....

I'm gonna make this easy for you:

Weeks 1-12: Test @ 500mg per week.....preferably 250mg every 3 days.
Weeks 1-5: Dbol @ 30mg/d.
Weeks 1-12+: Proviron.
Weeks 1-12: AIFM (2 sprays in the morning and 2 sprays at night).

PCT:
HCG may not be needed with this cycle so this is how I would do it:

Week 14,15,16+: Clomid @ 50mg/d.
Weeks 12-14: AIFM same dosage as during cycle.

Weeks 15-16: AIFM at 2 pumps per day (1 morning & 1 Night).
Weeks 17+: AIFM as needed at lowered dosages if needed.

Notes: I wouldn't even bother with the Nolva. If you wanted, you could run it with the AIFM during the Dbol weeks. Proviron may not be needed as well...unless you have weiner problems...lol. Proviron is not really an established method to lower estro levels. It is very weak in this regard.

Keep Nolva and letro on hand if needed.

I wouldn't waste your nmoney on Arimidex......it's weak.

BMJ
 
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