I need Help!!!!

[beasterrrr]

Hello everyone, I am a new member to this discussion forum. I need some help with starting a cycle of 1-ad. I have read a whole lot on stacking 1-ad with a 4ad product and I like what I hear, but for my first cycle want to use only the 1-ad and see what my results are. What my questons are, what would be a good dosage to start at, I was thinking somewhere in the area of 300 to 400mgs a day and in my 2nd or 3rd week move up some on my day-to-day dosage, If someone that has more expeirience and knowledge could please maybe type me out a 4 to 6 week cycle I could use I would so very much appreciate it. And one more queston. I have heard you should take a anti-estrogen product like 6-oxo from ergopharm, When should you start taking this? The day after the cycle is over or before your even off the cycle? Thank you all so much

Beaster

 

[beasterrrr]

I appologize for posting that twice, It was a mistake.

 

[ThePizmo]

Hey try this for your FIRST cycle...

week 1 - 300 mg per day
week 2 - 300 mg per day
week 3 - 400 mg per day
week 4 - 400 mg per day
week 5/6 - 500-600 mg per day

Ive noticed from others and experienced it first hand, that for your first cycle, you kinda want to keep the dosages in a lower range. If you take dosages too high, then your body will require that same dosage the next time or the results wont be as good. (I.E.) You cant take 300mg per day everyday for the whole cycle...you have to go up. The same for your next cycle (if you choose to do another). Next time up the dosage about 100mg a week (compared to the dosages I typed above).

To "UP" your gains, you must "UP" the dosage. (But not too much) Understand??

Anyway, for your first cycle, i think those mg's are relatively NOT TOO LOW, nor are they TOO HIGH...

 

[ThePizmo]

Oh yeah, and BTW...for your first time id also suggest that you DONT take the 4-ad stack with it...Becuase if you do, then you wont know whats giving you the gains...try the 1-ad alone and see how it works by itself.

Also, 1-ad has anti-estro agent in it, it is NOT REQUIRED to take 6oxo as post cycle, BUT...It wouldnt hurt neither!!

Hope Ive helped...

Piz

 

[beasterrrr]

Pizmo thank you for your help, but just a few more questons for ya. When I'm taking the dosages you prescribed above, would you suggest to take them in increments of lets say(first week) 1/1/1 1 pill three times daily or all at once, and as you increase the dosages through the cycle. like week 4 at 400mgs. a day 1/2/1 ? thank you

Beaster

 

[Lumberg]

Yep 1/1/1 for 300 mgs/day.

WHen you get into the uneven dosing you want to take the biggest dose immediately after workout with your carb/whey shake.

On non-wo days I would do the high dose immediately prior to bed.

Also I did a 600mg/day cycle as a rookie and it went fine.

 

[beasterrrr]

Thank you everyone for your replys. I have yet one more queston. When you do a cycle for exanple a week one, should you go 4 weeks off? What do you think?

 

[beasterrrr]

I mean a 4 week on, and should you go 4 weeks off?

 

[LifterCA]

how ever long your cycle is, you want that exact recooperation time period.

 

[Lumberg]

To be safe Dr. Franco Columbu says time off should equal 2x time on, that's what I go by.

 

[d3track]

time off= minimal time on
i did 1/1/1 my first time and it worked well, if you respond to low levels why waste the money popping 8 pills a day?
and from my experience I would still use the 6oxo ( think 6oxo is a good product anyway)

my 2 cnts

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Ok, this is a little off topic, but a very serious questoin. If you are willing to use compounds that alter your endocrine system, why play with something as ineffective as a prohormone, which may or may not be converted by the liver into a usful androgen, and even if it does so, is not likely to elevate free testosterone signifigantly beyond that which you already have? Why not just use the read thing, and start using steroids? The mentality behind the use of pro-hormones totally eludes my comprehension. What is your logic for chosing them over real steroids? They have potential side effects, are less effective and cost more than steroids. Where is the pay off? Actually, anyone who uses pro-hormones regularly, please post an answer.

 

[LifterCA]

Actually Prohoromones are safer than steroids as the fact you don't have to take all the extra bs that comes with roids. Plus, I had great gains off my 1-AD, with an added bonus of not having ANY side effects. Like it is stated somewhere else: Side effects happen on different people, they are not the same. Some people have them, some don't.
I have actually found PH's to be cheaper than roids.

 

[ZKaudio]

uneducated statement preceding...
I think most people just dont' want to deal with the illegality and inaccessibility of roids. There are always those great minds out there who think the government knows what's right and wrong.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Actually Prohoromones are safer than steroids as the fact you don't have to take all the extra bs that comes with roids. Plus, I had great gains off my 1-AD, with an added bonus of not having ANY side effects. Like it is stated somewhere else: Side effects happen on different people, they are not the same. Some people have them, some don't.
I have actually found PH's to be cheaper than roids.

1) steroids are the same way in that side effects vary and some people have very few, if any, on pretty high doses of some roids.

2) steroids are not that dangerous for the most part, so prohormones being safer sounds rather silly.

3) prohormones are overpriced. Your steroid source is raping you if he charges more for them.

4) a little knowledge of science tells me that pro-hormones shouldn't give you gains, outside of a placebo effect.

ZK, agreed. For the hardcore, it doesn't mater though. Then again, to make decent gains even on steroids one must train and eat in a manner that is far beyond that of the average person at any gym I've been too. So its unlike the prohormone crowd will achieve much.

LifterCA, what type of gains have you made? Do you have pics or stats?

 

[LifterCA]

I was on 1-AD for 1.5 weeks and made significant progress in strength.

Stats before:

Bench 240 5X5
Squat 240 5X5

Stats After:

Bench 255 5X5
Squat 285 5X5

Arms grew .5 of an inch too and gained 8 pounds.

If this isn't a massive amount of progress in a week, I don't know what is. People have even commented on how much bigger I look, and I know it's not what I have been eating, because I eat junk food. Plus, the place I go buy my 1-AD is owned by a cool group of guys who have done roids, who have tried everything, and they say 1-AD does the exact same thing as roids. So, I would believe the source who has tried stuff for himself.

It's just too funny when you come to this forum, give a bad rep to the PH's, when in reality they do work.

Don't believe me as you may, but I will keep with my PH's.

 

[ThePizmo]

Bodybyfina --

What you also have to take into thought is alot of people, SUCH AS MYSELF, would LOVE to be on roids now, but dont have access!!
I sometimes take 1-ad...not because its LEGAL, not becuase im against roids...its just that i dont have access!!

 

[Lumberg]

Ok, this is a little off topic, but a very serious questoin. If you are willing to use compounds that alter your endocrine system, why play with something as ineffective as a prohormone, which may or may not be converted by the liver into a usful androgen, and even if it does so, is not likely to elevate free testosterone signifigantly beyond that which you already have? Why not just use the read thing, and start using steroids? The mentality behind the use of pro-hormones totally eludes my comprehension. What is your logic for chosing them over real steroids? They have potential side effects, are less effective and cost more than steroids. Where is the pay off? Actually, anyone who uses pro-hormones regularly, please post an answer.

Legality issues.

And I don't know what kind of "science" you are using to decide that PHs doen't work, but you could not be more wrong.

OPEN YOUR EYES

 

[d3track]

yes, PHs are legal
yes PHs are more accessable
everyone does not have a source

were is your "knowledge of science" that says PH should not work?

oh never mind, not worth the argument

going to gym

peace

 

[Deleted member 33117]

d3t, I just typed a long, yet very abreviated answer to that question on the "This Forum is Horrible" thread. I really do not wish to retype, so take a look. Anyone with a basic understand of androgen regulation in the human body can explain why prohormones cannot work.

LifterCA, if you have a pill left of that wonderful bottle that gave you your gains, why don't you spend a few $$$ and have it analyzed. Wouldn't you like to know what you REALLY took? 285 squat for a 5X5? I hope anyone who has been working out for several years natural (ok, women are excluded) can do that. If you are going to try to convince me that a drug you are taking works please don't insult me by throwing out numbers that hundreds of natural guys with less than a year of train have hit. I do not mean that as an insult, but in all honesty, since that really isn't heavy, it could be nothing more than a placebo effect that gave you the courage to actually try a heavier weight that you had before.

 

[LifterCA]

once again you show your ignorance.

1. you don't know me. Calling a 285 squat very light for someone my size is pretty pathetic. I have't been "bodybuilding" for along time like someone of your stature. I have only been at it for 4 months.

2. Would you consider yourself a very intelligent person on all these subjects? I.e. researched every possible aspect and pulled your own conclusion out?

3. I have gotten perspectives from MANY people on using roids and 1-AD. One I just talked to today said he is going to try 1-AD because he wanted to give it a try.

4. Have you given these PH's a try? Yes science says this and that. But only personal experience can really attest to it.

5. You throw around placebo a lot. Try to take that out of your vocabulary and then you have no argument.

6. You are picking fights on the damn internet. Maybe your head is too big for your shoulders?

 

[LifterCA]

But, I do see your argument on cost. You are correct on the cost of roids. 120 for a month is absolutely cheaper than 180, give or take a few. Plus, I did find more info on roids that I did not know which might lead me into using them. But, I don't know. We will see...

 

[d3track]

yeah i saw your post.
i've heard the argumnet from others before. i know the results from 1-t/1-ad are not comparable to "real gear", but like i said before, not everyone has access.
the "your head may be too big for your shoulders" comment may be right. i have not read a post from you yet that has not been trying to belittle someone.
you obviosly have some good knowledge, i may not always agree with it, but you have the knowledge.
i just wish you would use it to inform others, instead of using it to attack those who do not have the same understanding of the human body.

peace
d3

 

[Lumberg]

I hope everybody nderstands that BBF is pretty much talking out of his ass.

LifterCA, if you have only been lifting for 4 months you definitely shouldn't be fucking with your endocrine system to make gains. You have a lot more natural training in front of you before you should dabble in enhancement. Like a few years.

 

[LifterCA]

I haven't been lifting for 4 months. I have been bodybuilding for 4 months. I have been lifting for 5 years with football and all, but just now I have recently just gotten my ass in gear to want to get bigger.

 

[ZKaudio]

I have recently just gotten my ass in gear to want to get bigger.

lol pun?

 

[LifterCA]

haha no

 

[Deleted member 33117]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=262048

Lumberg, I explain, in some detail, why prohormones do not work, in this thread.

d3, actually, less than 10% of my post involve belittling someone, and often times it was a poor choice of working in my typing. Also, if you read the above post again, I do not claim 1-test is anything other than read gear. It is a legal anabolic steroid that is overpriced, not a prohormone. The cost to gain ratio on it is too high for it to be effective.

LifterCA, no I feel no need to try prohormones. An understanding of the way in which to human endrocrine system explains why they can't work. I've never seen anybuild an impressive physique ithout the heavy use of anabolic steroids, and especially not by using prohormones. Those two factors being considered, why would I buy something that cost MORE than the drugs I'm currently using when all evidence, both theoretical, and real life obseravation say it is worthless to me? Placebo... a word I use often on the suppliment and training forum. Why would I do such a thing?

Four months of training? It was probably not a placebo then. It is not uncommon for beginners to make huge gains in strength in short periods of time. Actually, if prohormones actually worked as claimed you would not need them at this point in your training. Neither they or steroids would really be of benefit to you. I gained about 40 ibs of lbm in my first 6 months of training. No, I would not consider a 285 ibs sqaut for a natural with several months of training under his belt to be unusual. A bit ahead of the curve, but certainly not uncommon. That statement is not detracting from your accomplishment or work, if anything it adds to it. I'm admitting that you are slightly ahead of what one should expect, so you have worked hard, but the prohormones have had nothing to do with. Your numbers are quite attainable on no-suppliments nor drugs if one simply applies themself, or in the case of the genetic elite, simply works out sometimes.

 

[javaguru]

Read the last few posts on the thread.


http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=262048

 

[Lumberg]

Again, BBF is talking out of his ass. Some people are incorrigible.

And for some people, the law DOES matter because they work sensitive jobs and whatnot.

In any case building the body through using illegal substances is not one of the lengths I am willing to go to....if 1-test etc. become illegal, fine, I will become a natural bodybuilder. No big deal.

 

[beasterrrr]

I just want to thank you all for turning this 1-ad queston into an argument on ph's really working or not.