I need help with my 2nd cycle

[Reinheart]

I am contemplating on whether i should do 250mgs of test ew and 400mgs eq or 500mgs test only.

Are these two cycles going to be the same in terms of gains?

I am 181cm and about 84-85kg. I have been training for approximately 5-6 years and i am 23 to 24 years old. My goal is pure bulking (current fat % is about 13%).

Thanks in advance!

 

[d_rson]

Diet, training, cycle history?

 

[Reinheart]

My diet is very clean consisting of 7-8 meals per day ( every 2,5 hours) and i workout 5 times per week. I rarely stay in the gym for more than an hour and i sleep about 7-8 hours every night.

I have done only one oral only cycle with exceptional results and very little side effects. It consisted of d-bol for 4 weeks followed by 4 weeks of phera plex. I would have gone with d-bol for all eight weeks but a problem with my supplier occured and i lost my package. Poor planning i guess.... I used 20mgs d-bol for the first 3 weeks and then bumped it up to 30mgs for the last week. I also used 50mgs proviron ed throughout the entire cycle.

Anyway, that cycle gave me about 25 pounds or which i have retaining just fine so far.

Forgot to mention that in my second cycle i'll be using 250iu HCG e4d from week 3 until a week before i start my pct.

 

[d_rson]

Then the answer is clear. Test only for your first run of test. You need to learn how you react, what to expect, where and when estrogen effects you, how to effectively run an AI, etc.

Honestly, at your age, I think at 5'10"-5'11" and 187lbs and 13% BF, I think you could bulk up to 200 naturally. But if not, I'd suggest test only, and make sure your PCT is solid. If you feel like it, post your plan and get critiques - I recommend it.

 

[BodyByTren]

Big fan of EQ,but being this is really your first cycle,as 20mgs/dbol hardly counts as a real cycle, just stick with the basic test.

You should yield some great results.

 

[Reinheart]

Yeah, i have been thinking what you guys say as well but i wanted the extra lubrication from the eq.

For pct i will do 6 weeks of nolva at 20mgs, i may do clomid at 50mgs for the first two weeks, i'll be using hcg throughout the entire cycle so i don't count that as a pct and i may run 120mgs restandol because a study i read shows very promising results when it's incoporared in a pct regimen.

At 30mgs D-bol, the only problem was acne (which i was getting even though i was on 40mgs Roaccutane ed) and sometimes sleeplessness and restlessness (if i took my dosage late in the evening).

No gyno, no prostate problems, no hair loss problems, maybe a little higher bp than usual but that's to be expected, no bloat. Generally it was a very good cycle.

 

[Reinheart]

Bump.

 

[d_rson]

PCT is weak. How long are you planning to cycle the test?

 

[Ozzie-87]

i would go for a test only cycle, 500-600mg/week.

you could also run dbol for the first 4 weeks to jumpstart your gains if you are using long estered test.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Test alone really didnt do much for me after running some powerful oral only cycles. I thought it would from what i'd researched but it didnt even compare to be honest. 500mg per week, knocked it up to 750mg around week 8.

I'd run another hormone with your test! just don't dose it too high. eq, or deca maybe even kick start with d-bol. Then u'll see some gains! or at least d-bol as u'v already experienced it.

I do agree with what d_rson said about "testing" test for a true first cycle maybe however after already using powerful aas like d-bol i dont think test alone is gonna cut it man. Didn't for me.

 

[Reinheart]

Test alone really didnt do much for me after running some powerful oral only cycles. I thought it would from what i'd researched but it didnt even compare to be honest. 500mg per week, knocked it up to 750mg around week 8.

I'd run another hormone with your test! just don't dose it too high. eq, or deca maybe even kick start with d-bol. Then u'll see some gains! or at least d-bol as u'v already experienced it.

I do agree with what d_rson said about "testing" test for a true first cycle maybe however after already using powerful aas like d-bol i dont think test alone is gonna cut it man. Didn't for me.

Yeah, doesn't sound weird bro. I am probably going for 500mgs test and 400mgs Deca or Eq and definitely some d-bol.

 

[d_rson]

Man I gotta disagree. Not disrespecting deltoid, but don't run two compounds, especially deca with it. Because here's what happens - you start to get sides, so you drop the second compound, and wait to see if they go away, but they don't and before you know it you have gyno, etc, because it was the test. If you are gonna cycle, you need to know how you react to test, etc, like I said. And 20-30mg of dbol for 4 weeks aint that big of a cycle. Bulking is going to be mostly diet and training, and the test will give your the recovery needed to really blast your body, power through compound exercises, and eat. This is the cycle I would do:

W 1 - 10 500mg Test E, 250 twice a week
W 1 - 4 20mg/d Beastdrol
W 3 - 9, 250iu HCG twice a week
W 10 500iu HCG four times
W 11 12.5mg/d Aromasin
W 12 - 15 Sustain Alpha (as directed)
W 12 - 15 Unleashed (as directed)

Have Aromasin on hand to run as an AI for estrogen sides, start at 10 - 12.5mg EOD to begn with and go from there. I need about 12.5mg ED for anything over 400mg of test, but others only need EOD, etc.

I say to kick start with an oral because it will help get your bulk started, and you can drop it immediately if you have sides, and be able to tell immediately what is causing it. Also, the test will not kick in unti week 5, and that's when most of the sides start popping up, etc, so you will still get to learn what test will do. I say use beastdrol because it will help you bulk, but will be dry so as not to amplify any estrogen sides the test may be giving you early. And reports are that beast is every bit as powerful as dbol. But you can also use dbol as well, but just watch out for estrogen early in the cycle.

Eat 5000+ calories, clean if you want to reduce the amount of fat you put on, and get 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight the whole time, all day long - protein constantly during the day and casein at night.

Run liver support and cardio support during the kickstart and atleast 4 weeks after if not the whole time.

Also use Creatine throughout, 5-10g pre workout, 5-10g post workout.

I don't think you need or should run a second injectible compound.

 

[Reinheart]

Man I gotta disagree. Not disrespecting deltoid, but don't run two compounds, especially deca with it. Because here's what happens - you start to get sides, so you drop the second compound, and wait to see if they go away, but they don't and before you know it you have gyno, etc, because it was the test. If you are gonna cycle, you need to know how you react to test, etc, like I said. And 20-30mg of dbol for 4 weeks aint that big of a cycle. Bulking is going to be mostly diet and training, and the test will give your the recovery needed to really blast your body, power through compound exercises, and eat. This is the cycle I would do:

W 1 - 10 500mg Test E, 250 twice a week
W 1 - 4 20mg/d Beastdrol
W 3 - 9, 250iu HCG twice a week
W 10 500iu HCG four times
W 11 12.5mg/d Aromasin
W 12 - 15 Sustain Alpha (as directed)
W 12 - 15 Unleashed (as directed)

Have Aromasin on hand to run as an AI for estrogen sides, start at 10 - 12.5mg EOD to begn with and go from there. I need about 12.5mg ED for anything over 400mg of test, but others only need EOD, etc.

I say to kick start with an oral because it will help get your bulk started, and you can drop it immediately if you have sides, and be able to tell immediately what is causing it. Also, the test will not kick in unti week 5, and that's when most of the sides start popping up, etc, so you will still get to learn what test will do. I say use beastdrol because it will help you bulk, but will be dry so as not to amplify any estrogen sides the test may be giving you early. And reports are that beast is every bit as powerful as dbol. But you can also use dbol as well, but just watch out for estrogen early in the cycle.

Eat 5000+ calories, clean if you want to reduce the amount of fat you put on, and get 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight the whole time, all day long - protein constantly during the day and casein at night.

Run liver support and cardio support during the kickstart and atleast 4 weeks after if not the whole time.

Also use Creatine throughout, 5-10g pre workout, 5-10g post workout.

I don't think you need or should run a second injectible compound.

Very good post my friend! Thank you for spending time on posting this!