I Need help, post comments on this thread please!

[Meat_head]

Ok. So a friend of mine has this dream to be a Pro BBer. Which I think he can very well attain. Currently he is barely 20 and is training with an IFBB pro all I'll say is that he finished top 20 in Olympias, and otherwise shall remain nameless. His stats (friend) are 5'9 210 at 5-6% BF right now, true mesomorph, and yes he looks sick. But I dont want him to pay the price this early. He is on his 2nd cycle right now. Prop 700mg/week. EQ 800mg/week. Tren 100mg ED. Winny 50mg ED. First 8 Weeks took Var and OT. Now this douche trainer he has want him to start Deca and Sust also, and suspension before his first contest mid July. I say he is an idiot if he does all this but he won't listen. All he says is whatever "Blank" tells me to do. This trainer is also telling him ridiculous dosages he will be on in his winter bulker of god knows how much shit. Including Growth and Slin. And he is barely 20! The sad thing is he knows everything I do about AAS and all the risks. Please post here and I'm gonna send him a link to this thread.

 

[Bruce]

at 20 he has plenty of natural test that test dose is ridiculous. and by his stats it doesn't seem like he needs that to get results. its way to early for gh. thats WAY TO MUCH gear for any 20 year old bber or not. if he wants to seriously damage his body tell him to keep doing what his trainer says, if not he should use as little as possible to attain his goals. peace

 

[alltraps]

bro, no matter what you or anyone else will tell him, he;ll do whatever he wants, especialy if a IFBB pro is filling his head with unrealistic dreams. to get to the pros level, you need not much less then a miracle. everyone wants it, but one in a millon has the genetics to get there. drugs dont change your genetics, as much as some people believe

 

[Bruce]

bro, no matter what you or anyone else will tell him, he;ll do whatever he wants, especialy if a IFBB pro is filling his head with unrealistic dreams. to get to the pros level, you need not much less then a miracle. everyone wants it, but one in a millon has the genetics to get there. drugs dont change your genetics, as much as some people believe

yeah thats true, i mean if roy jones jr. was telling me i could be at his level if i took what he told me too, i must admit i would probably not care what anyone else said to me. sorry just being honest

 

[Meat_head]

I tell him this everyday. Its just that he sees this guy I think and he has a huge influence. I really believe he does have the genitics too. but I tell him he would still gain on lower doses. He thinks more is better.

 

[krishna]

It's too late! He's 100% juice monkey now.

 

[LVTitan]

doesnt sound like you are going to change this cat's mind either way. hate to see someone so young do that much gear though,
why do these BBers always seem to have the "more is better" mentality.
if that were the case we'd all be doing a couple hundred mg's of dbol daily... we all know that 25-40mg is all you really need for good gains...
he is WAY too young to be using gear period, but since he already is, no need to saturate his body with more than he can use, he'll only make it harder for himself in the future. HE DOES NOT NEED TO FUCK WITH : SLIN/GH/IGF-1 ETC AT THIS POINT THAT IS FOR DAMN SURE.

 

[silverbackn]

bro, no matter what you or anyone else will tell him, he;ll do whatever he wants, especialy if a IFBB pro is filling his head with unrealistic dreams. to get to the pros level, you need not much less then a miracle. everyone wants it, but one in a millon has the genetics to get there. drugs dont change your genetics, as much as some people believe

This is so true! It's all about genetics. If he has a guy of that stature telling what to do there is no way he will question it. He is throwing caution to the wind, if his dream is to be a pro that is his only choice.

 

[Stainless_Steel]

Theres no way you are going to change his mind. I mean he wants to be an IFBB pro and he has this pro telling him what to take. If he is the typical 20 year old you are not going to change his mind for anything. I do agree with you though. That is a lot of drugs for a young guy. If his genetics are as good as you say they are he should not need so much. I've heard stories of guys like Flex Wheeler was made fun of in his gym coming up because he grew like a weed on so little. In school I had this coach that played with the Steelers when they won the Super Bowl. He told me that he thought I had what it took to play on Professional level. I really didn't take it to heart and just fucked off and partied all the time. So to sum this bs-ing up I would let him do what he wants to do. You say he knows just as much about the drugs as you do, so he knows the sides and what can happen to him in the long run.

 

[silverbackn]

Theres no way you are going to change his mind. I mean he wants to be an IFBB pro and he has this pro telling him what to take. If he is the typical 20 year old you are not going to change his mind for anything. I do agree with you though. That is a lot of drugs for a young guy. If his genetics are as good as you say they are he should not need so much. I've heard stories of guys like Flex Wheeler was made fun of in his gym coming up because he grew like a weed on so little. In school I had this coach that played with the Steelers when they won the Super Bowl. He told me that he thought I had what it took to play on Professional level. I really didn't take it to heart and just fucked off and partied all the time. So to sum this bs-ing up I would let him do what he wants to do. You say he knows just as much about the drugs as you do, so he knows the sides and what can happen to him in the long run.

Even thought the kid sounds a little haphazard, atleast he won't look back and say what if. I would rather go all out and regret it than hold back and wonder what if, that's just me though.

 

[KIAN]

It's great that you have an interest in your friend's well-being but you are just going to have to take a step back and let him make his own success and mistakes in life.

But judging by what he is taking ... he is heading for one big mistake. No doubt this trainer? will be there to help pick up all the pieces. *insert sarcasm here

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[BOOEY]

It's takes a lot to be a pro, that includes a lot of juice. Maybe he's starting to early, but sooner or later he's going to have to deal with large amounts of gear. This is the life of a pro-bb, most of us can't relate. Let him know you're concerned, but also let him make his own decision. Who knows, maybe he'll make it one day.

 

[bicepts101]

i would do it...if you have the genetics then why not....hes not gonna hit 300lbs naturally

 

[Stainless_Steel]

Thank you silverbackn. That is exactly what I was tryin to say.

 

[210toosmall]

Even thought the kid sounds a little haphazard, atleast he won't look back and say what if. I would rather go all out and regret it than hold back and wonder what if, that's just me though.

couldn't agree more,
its his life and you stated he knows the risk but hes gonna give it all he gots it may be someones influence but its his choice.

 

[ElMatador]

Bro...if he wants to use some extremely big dosages,there is no point...there is not better result,just more side effects...

 

[will b huge]

Even thought the kid sounds a little haphazard, atleast he won't look back and say what if. I would rather go all out and regret it than hold back and wonder what if, that's just me though.

not if your dead.....

and who is paying for all the kids shit.....

and what is a top 20 IFBB pro doing training with a 20 year old....Doesnt he have some shit that he has to do besides be a mentor for a 20 year old......

but the BEST QUESTION IS-----PLEASE TELL ME THAT THIS 20 YR OLD KID HAS A DOCTOR WHO IS CLOSE WITH AND TELLS EVERYTHING TO AND GETS REGULAR TESTING FOR HIS LIVER VALUES, CHOLESTEROL VALUES, PH, ETC>>ETC>ETC>?????????????????????????????/


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[UA_Iron]

can anyone find pics of Lee Priest at age 20??

 

[Meat_head]

not if your dead.....

and who is paying for all the kids shit.....

He is very well off, and has money to burn

and what is a top 20 IFBB pro doing training with a 20 year old....Doesnt he have some shit that he has to do besides be a mentor for a 20 year old......

Umm I didn't say their training partners he pays a good amount for his services. He doesn't make all of his money from being a pro BBer. So to ansewer your question he "mentors" to put a dent in the cost of a few of his kits I assume.

but the BEST QUESTION IS-----PLEASE TELL ME THAT THIS 20 YR OLD KID HAS A DOCTOR WHO IS CLOSE WITH AND TELLS EVERYTHING TO AND GETS REGULAR TESTING FOR HIS LIVER VALUES, CHOLESTEROL VALUES, PH, ETC>>ETC>ETC>?????????????????????????????/

He gets bloodwork done. And everything seems to be ok except for his liver values. Which I frequently warn him about. He is focused on his goals and his GF just broke up with him because of his obsession with BBing. He was hurt but it still didn't cause him to miss a beat on his diet or training regiment.

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There is no stopping him I just realize

 

[BOOEY]

I'm just curious, and you can totally not answer this, but being that you gave no names I think it would be ok: Does the pro supply him with the gear or give him access to his own supplier?

 

[silverbackn]

not if your dead.....

and who is paying for all the kids shit.....

and what is a top 20 IFBB pro doing training with a 20 year old....Doesnt he have some shit that he has to do besides be a mentor for a 20 year old......

but the BEST QUESTION IS-----PLEASE TELL ME THAT THIS 20 YR OLD KID HAS A DOCTOR WHO IS CLOSE WITH AND TELLS EVERYTHING TO AND GETS REGULAR TESTING FOR HIS LIVER VALUES, CHOLESTEROL VALUES, PH, ETC>>ETC>ETC>?????????????????????????????/


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I don't think he will die from steroids, that's a little inflammatory. His doses aren't undeard of. Hopefully, he is intelligent enough to be under a doctors supervision. There is a given amount of risk with all of us. If your dream was to be a pro bb'er you wouldn't think twice about doing what he's doing. It's all relative to what you want out of life. I'm sure your main ambition in life isn't to be a pro bb'er so you couldn't justify using higher dosages. I'm not saying the kid is a genius, I'm saying if you do the average you will be average. Life is too short not to take a chance on something if you are passionate about it. Have you ever noticed how the greats (no matter what the venue) all do things that make you shake your head? Do average be average.

 

[Meat_head]

I'm just curious, and you can totally not answer this, but being that you gave no names I think it would be ok: Does the pro supply him with the gear or give him access to his own supplier?

No my friend and I both have a source. As far as I know he hasn't been supplied at all buy the guy. So he has no need to ask him for a supplier because he has his own, but that doesnt mean if he asked he wouldn't get stuff for him I don't know. My friend told me and it suprised me that the pro is on alot if human grade gear but he also prefers vet for some compounds.