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Fast Twitch Fiber
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4everhung said:
The Panzer and Tiger tanks were superior in armor strength and weapon range when compared to anything on the allied side, even the Sherman tanks.
I have respect for the men who fought in WWII
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The Panzer and Tiger tanks were superior in armor strength and weapon range when compared to anything on the allied side, even the Sherman tanks.
Rockafella Skank
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not really? the canadians and english were instrumental to the d-day invasion, as those countries were charged with taking juno, sword and gold beaches. the targets weren't arbitrary. they were crucial in severing nazi supply lines and opening numerous avenues deep into nazi controlled france. speaking of the frence, the undersground resistance was also instrumental in providing intelligence for the bombers that blasted railroads and bridges in the weeks leading up to the invasion ... we're talking schoolgirls on bicycles and farmhands who risked their lives to live free. and, of course, the battle for stalingrad is legendary. outmanned and overpowered, the russians proved to be awesome soldiers (fighting with the fear of stalin in their bones, but good soldiers nonetheless).ariolanine said:
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ariolanine
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4everhung said:
Since you are so inaccurate about the US casualties I'm just gonna guess that the rest of your post is bogus as well without even reading it.
Mandinka2
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Eat this!:ariolanine said:
http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html
German KIA, Polish Campaign: 16,343
German MIA, Polish Campaign: 320
German WIA, Polish Campaign: 27,280
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German KIA, Norwegian Campaign: 4,975
German MIA, Norwegian Campaign: 691
German WIA, Norwegian Campaign: 1,600
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German KIA, French Campaign: 46,000+
German MIA, French Campaign: 1,000+
German WIA, French Campaign: 111,640
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German KIA, the West to 5.31.44: 20,000+
German MIA, the West to 5.31.44: 1,700+
German WIA, the West to 5.31.44: ??
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German KIA, Balkan Campaign: 1,206
German MIA, Balkan Campaign: 3,915
German WIA, Balkan Campaign: 534
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German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 24,267
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 12,060
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: ??
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German KIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 1,419,728
German MIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 997.056
German WIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 3,498,060
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German KIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 12,808
German MIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 90,052
German WIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 4.43 ??
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German KIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 47,873
German MIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 97,154
German WIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 163,600
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German KIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 66,266
German MIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 338,933
German WIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 399,860
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German KIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 64,055
German MIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 1,315
German WIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: ??
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ariolanine
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Mandinka2 said:
Eat this douche. I never said one fucking thing about Nazis. I said AMERICAN casualties. Dumb fuck.
Props to Test boy for pointing out this hilarity.
CanadianCripple
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Applause to those men, who 59 years ago today stormed Normandy.
Special salute to the Canadians at Juno Beach.
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/06/06/dday_speeches030606
Unfortunately, the democracies these soldiers thought they were fighting for are falling apart.
Special salute to the Canadians at Juno Beach.
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/06/06/dday_speeches030606
Unfortunately, the democracies these soldiers thought they were fighting for are falling apart.
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Spartacus
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the united states suffered about 270,000 KIA on all fronts during WWII..the soviets lost about 80,000 KIA in the 2 week battle to encircle and take Berlin..I have a 300 page book titled "Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses during the Twentieth Century"...mostly focuses on the "great patriotic war"..what the soviets refer to the war with germany
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Spartacus
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..I suppose you mean Panther and Tiger tanks..panzer is German for tank..but now I'll disagree regarding soviet armor..the soviets had the tech edge over the germans for the first 2 years(ironically the years when germany was advancing and winning thier great victoires)..in eraly '43 the germans feilded the Tiger tank and then in mid43 they developed the panther..the eraly panthers were prone to mechanical fialure and didn't really become a battlefirled presence until '44..so for about half a year the Germans held the tech edge(though vastly outnumbered at this point in the war)..as for the soviet developments: "From early 1943 to mid-1944, the main opponents of the Tiger on the Eastern Front were the assault guns based on T-34 and KV-1 chassis. When it was discovered that the existing SU-76 and SU-122 types could not penetrate the Tiger's armor at any distance under 1,000 meters, the Soviets decided to create a new assault gun, the SU-85, armed with an adaptation of the 85mm anti-aircraft gun. Production of the SU-122 was stopped and the SU-85 was adopted in its place. It was later followed by the SU-100 medium assault gun. In mid 1943, SU-152 heavy assault gun entered service. It was based on KV-1 heavy tank and was armed 152mm howitzer. It was nicknamed Zveroboi (Animal Killer). At the end of 1943, a new assault gun, the ISU-152, based on IS-2 heavy tank was produced. It was armed with a very powerful 152mm howitzer. The shell of this gun could penetrate any part of the Tiger's armor and even cut the turret from the hull. This assault gun was nicknamed "Animal Hunter". The weight of the AP shell was 48kg, while HE shell was 41kg.Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Using assault guns to their maximum ability, the Red Army fought for the time it needed to develop a new tank comparable to the Tiger. At the end of 1943, new heavy tank IS-1 was developed and the Red Army received first tanks in February of 1944. It was followed by the famous IS-2 heavy tank. The IS (for Iosif Stalin, for the Cyrillic alphabet does not have the Western "J" for Joseph Stalin) tanks had a low profile-lower than the Tiger or the Sherman. The turret and front armor plate were 100mm thick. The side armor plates were 75mm. This tank was armed with a powerful 122mm D25T gun that had a barrel five meters (16 feet) long. The IS tanks had a great advantage in comparison to the Tiger because of their well-sloped armor plates. With these tanks, the Red Army finally had armor that was better then the Tiger I and equal to the King Tiger (Tiger II) in many ways. In March of 1944, the first IS-2s were tested in action and proved their power. More then 3,000 IS-2 tanks were built up to the end of the war. In the opinion of Hasso von Manteuffel, it was the best tank of WW II.
During the war, the Soviet Union built more than 125,000 AFVs. Germany built some 89,000 AFVs and only 2,000 of them were Tigers and King Tigers. There was no chance for Germany to win the war on the Eastern Front against the power of the Red Army. "
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ariolanine
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4everhung said:
Are you trying to say that MIA's don't count?
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Spartacus
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I was just trying to keep it relatively simple..I suppose I could add in WIA,MIA etc....but the point I was trying to make is that the Soviets suffered considerably more att the hands of the Germans than the western allies...and I don't wish to demean the achievements and sacrifices of the western allies at all..anybody who fought against the Germans was in for a helluva fight..they didn't go down easy and they damn sure weren't quitters..if you are going to take a german position you better be wired tight and have your shit together...most of my books on the german whermacht are written by British historians and x US military personnel ..particularily ColonelDavid M Glantz..his resume includes being is former chief of research of Soviet Army Studies at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Ft. Leavenworth, KS.,..he has written about 20+ books on the eastern front and is widely considered to be America's foremost effort on Soviet military studies.
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